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Report: BBC and ITV to win rights to 2018 and 2022 World Cups

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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    Who exactly are their free-to-air rivals ?
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    Mark CMark C Posts: 20,920
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    ftv wrote: »
    Who exactly are their free-to-air rivals ?

    C4 and C5 !? Also BT Sport, if you believe this line from the article:-

    although BT Sport might have been a contender having shown an appetite for free-to-air sport since its launch last year.
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    Mark C wrote: »
    C4 and C5 !? Also BT Sport, if you believe this line from the article:-

    although BT Sport might have been a contender having shown an appetite for free-to-air sport since its launch last year.

    Can't see C4 and C5 being interested - and how would BT make money out of it if
    every match had to be free to air - advertising I suppose. I see ITV are promoting tonight's England friendly as being ''free'' on ITV.
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    GeorgeSGeorgeS Posts: 20,039
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    ftv wrote: »
    . I see ITV are promoting tonight's England friendly as being ''free'' on ITV.

    Presumably because it is free and it is on itv? :confused:
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    AnthonyCAnthonyC Posts: 2,238
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    GeorgeS wrote: »
    Presumably because it is free and it is on itv? :confused:

    Yes all that advertising spend is never passed onto Consumers...
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    GeorgeS wrote: »
    Presumably because it is free and it is on itv? :confused:

    You conveniently overlook the fact that many products would be cheaper if we were not helping to pay the advertising budget, some of which no doubt goes to ITV.
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    Mickey_TMickey_T Posts: 4,962
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    I'm glad to hear that it's expected we'll keep the WC on BBC & ITV where everyone can enjoy it in HD at no extra cost. :)
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    GeorgeSGeorgeS Posts: 20,039
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    ftv wrote: »
    You conveniently overlook the fact that many products would be cheaper if we were not helping to pay the advertising budget, some of which no doubt goes to ITV.

    No they'd advertise somewhere else.
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    BenFranklinBenFranklin Posts: 5,814
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    ftv wrote: »
    You conveniently overlook the fact that many products would be cheaper if we were not helping to pay the advertising budget, some of which no doubt goes to ITV.

    Or the companies would just make larger profits, not really credible to claim what you're saying I'm afraid.
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    Dansky+HDDansky+HD Posts: 9,806
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    Why do they share the rights????

    It's mental

    Wish only 1 broadcaster would get all the rights.

    Not really bothered weather it's BBC, ITV, Ch4, Ch5 or Sky (Pick TV) as long as there is more continuity in the production.
    I'm guessing an open auction would be best, with strict contractual obligations.
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    LOSGLOSG Posts: 2,724
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    Dansky+HD wrote: »
    Why do they share the rights????

    It's mental

    Wish only 1 broadcaster would get all the rights.

    Not really bothered weather it's BBC, ITV, Ch4, Ch5 or Sky (Pick TV) as long as there is more continuity in the production.
    I'm guessing an open auction would be best, with strict contractual obligations.

    They share it to :-

    A) Not obliterate the regular schedule.

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    B) Not create a bidding war.

    Works for both parties.

    I'm confused as to why you think this process is "mental". Plenty of other sports rights are shared between broadcasters.

    Edit - Also * PICK TV KLAXON *
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    LOSG wrote: »
    They share it to :-

    A) Not obliterate the regular schedule.

    and

    B) Not create a bidding war.

    Works for both parties.

    I'm confused as to why you think this process is "mental". Plenty of other sports rights are shared between broadcasters.

    Edit - Also * PICK TV KLAXON *

    It also avoids that extremely irritating situation where both channels are showing the same game with exactly the same pictures, only the commentary is different. In the days when BBC and ITV both showed the FA Cup Final producers used to fight on the pitch at the end of the game to get the first interviews with players.
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    GeorgeS wrote: »
    No they'd advertise somewhere else.
    Would they? To what size of audience?
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    stevvy1986stevvy1986 Posts: 7,088
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    LOSG wrote: »
    They share it to :-

    A) Not obliterate the regular schedule

    That bit especially. Ok yes the BBC could stick games/other programmes on BBC1/2/3/4 and ITV the same (they'd have to, or use the red button for clashing games), but can you imagine the outrage for example if that didn't happen and you had games kicking off at 12pm, 3pm, 6pm and 9pm all on the same channel?

    Ok don't get me wrong programmes get shifted all the time for various reasons as the schedule has to cater for everyone, but alot of people would find it hard to accept basically 12hrs of the day being given over to 1 sport on the same channel that generally has to cater for everyone (9pm-9am less of an issue, but 12pm-12am would invoke fury from some).
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    BosoxBosox Posts: 14,184
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    Mark C wrote: »
    C4 and C5 !? Also BT Sport, if you believe this line from the article:-

    although BT Sport might have been a contender having shown an appetite for free-to-air sport since its launch last year.

    What's the wording of the Listed Events legislation when it comes to HD? Would BT have been able to show SD broadcasts of the World Cup FTA and keep HD behind the paywall?
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    eladkseeladkse Posts: 1,948
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    remove
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    samburrowssamburrows Posts: 1,671
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    Bosox wrote: »
    What's the wording of the Listed Events legislation when it comes to HD? Would BT have been able to show SD broadcasts of the World Cup FTA and keep HD behind the paywall?

    The last time the legislation was amended was 1999 - no mention of HD in the primary law or the OFCOM guidance.
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    SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 12,514
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    Bosox wrote: »
    What's the wording of the Listed Events legislation when it comes to HD? Would BT have been able to show SD broadcasts of the World Cup FTA and keep HD behind the paywall?

    BT Sport isn't an Ofcom-approved PSB broadcaster for the exclusive screening of protected events. They could simulcast the World Cup with BBC, ITV, Ch4 or Ch5 but the matches must be shown on one of those channels.
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    SnrDevSnrDev Posts: 6,094
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    ftv wrote: »
    It also avoids that extremely irritating situation where both channels are showing the same game with exactly the same pictures, only the commentary is different. In the days when BBC and ITV both showed the FA Cup Final producers used to fight on the pitch at the end of the game to get the first interviews with players.
    1) It's rare that both TV companies show the same matches in WC tournaments except for the final. By long standing agreement ITV & BBC split England's matches between them in the group stages

    2) ITV & BBC traditionally used different pictures in FA Cup Finals at the old Wembley, sharing only the one camera at the the top of the steps. Granted in the modern world the sports body (FA, UEFA) selects a host broadcaster to provide worldwide feeds

    3) It was the same this year with ITV & BT both trying to get interviews with Wenger & various Arsenal players.

    Anyway. What were we arguing about?
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    SnrDev wrote: »
    1) It's rare that both TV companies show the same matches in WC tournaments except for the final. By long standing agreement ITV & BBC split England's matches between them in the group stages

    2) ITV & BBC traditionally used different pictures in FA Cup Finals at the old Wembley, sharing only the one camera at the the top of the steps. Granted in the modern world the sports body (FA, UEFA) selects a host broadcaster to provide worldwide feeds

    3) It was the same this year with ITV & BT both trying to get interviews with Wenger & various Arsenal players.

    Anyway. What were we arguing about?

    Points taken, not arguing at all. I remember at the ''old'' Wembley the scoreboard carried a huge advert for the Radio Times which was fine for the BBC but not ITV so they had to construct their own mini-scoreboard which they used instead when they were both showing the Cup Final.BBC always had two paths out of Wembley on separate routes, ITV only one. One year the ITV one failed for a few minutes and they had to switch to the BBC feed.
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    mr williamsmr williams Posts: 1,744
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    ftv wrote: »
    One year the ITV one failed for a few minutes and they had to switch to the BBC feed.

    Isn't there an agreement between the two of them to be able to do this at all major occasions (not just sport) in case one of them goes down?
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    Mark CMark C Posts: 20,920
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    ftv wrote: »
    Points taken, not arguing at all. I remember at the ''old'' Wembley the scoreboard carried a huge advert for the Radio Times which was fine for the BBC but not ITV so they had to construct their own mini-scoreboard which they used instead when they were both showing the Cup Final.

    Construct a scoreboard ?? All that would have been required was an on screen caption, what year was this ? Pre Letraset ?
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    onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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    AnthonyC wrote: »
    Yes all that advertising spend is never passed onto Consumers...

    When did it become law that you have to buy something just because its avertised on the telly :confused:
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    When did it become law that you have to buy something just because its avertised on the telly :confused:

    Who said anything about law? It may not be law, but advertising works. Which means commercial television is funded by people who buy the products.
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    andy_d77andy_d77 Posts: 682
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    Mark C wrote: »
    Construct a scoreboard ?? All that would have been required was an on screen caption, what year was this ? Pre Letraset ?

    1966 onward sb at wembley
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