Indeed, and if they couldn't afford to go then would there not have been an appeal of some kind?
I'll confess I haven't read this entire thread so I don't know if there's been answers to the obvious questions like who bought the ticket for a 15-year-old, why someone under 16 was allowed on to a plane without parents or legal guardian signing lots of bits of paper and a 200-page indemnity for the airline.
Even back in the 70s if you were under 16 and flying you were tagged and flagged as 'unaccompanied minor' and escorted from start to finish so how did this happen now that we are in the midst of full-scale paedogeddon, not so long ago a teacher running off with a 15 year old pupil...?
This isn't a security service failure (or at least not entirely), there's a whole load of other obvious stuff that looks like it just didn't happen.
I am pretty sure the said on the news yesterday that Turkish Airlines did not question anyone over the age of 12 travelling alone.
I have just checked their website.Children aged 7-12 years can travel alone but have to have a form filled in by a parent or guardian. The inference would be that anyone over 12 can travel without any additional supporting documentation.
That seems pretty lax in the current climate - particularly given that Turkey is a key staging post on the way to Syria. I think the airline could do a lot more - one would hope they introduce some additional safeguards following this incident.
I don't think that at all, I think that their youthful religious zeal has allowed them to think that a war on infidels is somehow acceptable, and that their duty to Allah and his prophet is to offer comfort to His soldiers. As they are young, I think rehabilitation is possible. Any adults out there, shoot the bastards, fill your boots.
They are old enough to be responsible for their actions, and are knowingly joining a band of savages, to breed more savages, kill innocents, or both.
The world has become a sorry place when we have to decide which teenagers we'd rather die, girls like these, or their potential victims. For that we can thank Islam.
Do we actually know whether these girls were groomed, had a handler, or could they just simply have packed their bags and gone of their own volition?
EDIT - I just saw that a 20 year old Scots muslim is reportedly involved in recruiting the girls. She's just a few years older, but seems to be fair game for criticism. A lot of 20 year olds do 'stupid' things as well, so how come this excuse isn't be used for her as well?
I don't doubt for a moment they knew about what ISIS is and the barbaric acts it commits - what they probably did was listen to the justification for those acts on ISIS propaganda and buy into them. (Such as Muath al-Kaseasbeh was burned because he had burned children in air raids etc). The ISIS propaganda machine is well constructed and targeted - they want willing girls to serve them and they know just the age range and the methods they need to use to get them, 15/16 year old girls are very vulnerable to 'romance' and when handsome young men who are fighting for Islam, say they are forced to do horrendous things to achieve their goal of a paradise of peace and harmony etc etc, the girls believe it. It is crap, but for some adolescent girls it is the kind of romantic, idealistic crap they can buy into. I don't think for a moment they are 'on an adventure' - I think they believe that they will be going into a wonderful life filled with Prince Charming and his little babies to care for. And they are going to get a huge shock after about five minutes.
Exactly this. I wish I'd thought to articulate it so well. There'll be tears before tea time, and for some time to come. As they appear to have made it to Syria, I very much doubt we'll have to worry about what to do with them. And as there's little or no medical care out there, and that little saved for fighters, they'll be back to 3rd world problems with their baby making. Statistically, that's their most likely cause of death I should think.
Red, we know they were groomed, by the Twitter account of that 'scots' jihadi Jane who left a year or so ago. The press reckon it's no longer her on the account though, but a specialist IS recruiting squad.
I have quoted these two excellent posts to thank the posters for introducing some decency and common sense into the thread,
I was so appalled by many of the posts and the incredible ignorance being spouted that I just backed out of the thread and ran for the hills.
I believe this is a case of grooming and I am disgusted by people saying that if these girls came home they should be shot as soon as they set foot on UK soil. Seriously - is that what Britain should sink to?
As for people sneering at the families and suggesting they are moronic for providing funds for their children to go to Syria - what on earth makes you think these young people needed money from their parents?
Islamic State is loaded thanks to the oil fields which they now control.
They are going to be jihadist brides and a recruiting tool for an Islamic terrorist organisation. If they decide to come back, which is unlikely even if they want to given their PR value to ISIS then they should be jailed. Like Aqsa Mahmood they are a disgrace to their family and their country.
If IS has the facility to groom young men and women via the internet then they also have the facility to provide them with the funds they require to get to Syria. If you ever listen to news reports about young people heading off to Syria from the UK this sentence usually appears somewhere "Police/authorities confirm that they have access to funds" - I believe this is a reference to IS bank-rolling their journey.
The money isn't the issue, the traitorous inclination to go there and acting on it despite all ISIS stand for is the issue.
I don't doubt for a moment they knew about what ISIS is and the barbaric acts it commits - what they probably did was listen to the justification for those acts on ISIS propaganda and buy into them. (Such as Muath al-Kaseasbeh was burned because he had burned children in air raids etc). The ISIS propaganda machine is well constructed and targeted - they want willing girls to serve them and they know just the age range and the methods they need to use to get them, 15/16 year old girls are very vulnerable to 'romance' and when handsome young men who are fighting for Islam, say they are forced to do horrendous things to achieve their goal of a paradise of peace and harmony etc etc, the girls believe it. It is crap, but for some adolescent girls it is the kind of romantic, idealistic crap they can buy into. I don't think for a moment they are 'on an adventure' - I think they believe that they will be going into a wonderful life filled with Prince Charming and his little babies to care for. And they are going to get a huge shock after about five minutes.
Funny how if it was 3 guys that age they would know fully well what they are doing and the brutality they are getting into but 3 girls it is all this cotton-candy view of the world and easily distracted by fluffy kittens, dashing bearded men and baby grows.
They are joining up with Islamic terrorists and will be divvied up like chattel and given to the foreign fighters of ISIS. These girls want that, their religion is compelling them to be treated like that. They aren't going on a jihadi 16-30 holiday to come back with a nice tan and stories of a holiday romance.
They are old enough to be responsible for their actions, and are knowingly joining a band of savages, to breed more savages, kill innocents, or both.
The world has become a sorry place when we have to decide which teenagers we'd rather die, girls like these, or their potential victims. For that we can thank Islam.
Do we actually know whether these girls were groomed, had a handler, or could they just simply have packed their bags and gone of their own volition?
A Turkish intelligence source told the Telegraph: “They were seen in Tal Abyad on Friday. They were travelling with a Syrian male in a private car. They were using Syrian identity cards.
“We understand that after arriving in Istanbul the girls met an Isil member who is charged with helping foreigners who want to join the group.”
The fact that they had a contact and Syrian identity cards to allow them to cross the border suggests a degree of pre-planning.
It is also widely reported that they were in communication with that girl from Scotland who became an IS bride in 2013 and who has been blogging and actively trying to recruit UK girls to go out there - (assuming it is her doing the blogging of course, it could be someone using her account.)
Perhaps we should see the racist Chelsea fans on the Paris tube as silly and naive too.
Many of their racist habits were indoctrinated from their parents too most probably.
You being an apologist for these 3 girls who didn't do anything comparable to you or anyone you know did when you were 16 isn't on. They are joining up with a violent Islamic terrorist organisation that wants to bring on the end of days, not sneaking out to a Justin Bieber concert or drinking a bottle of cider down the park.
The charge of racism doesn't stick either, how can it be racism if you can convert to Islam? Can you convert to being a different race? It's a set of religious beliefs which would make criticism of beliefs like Communism 'racist' or Socialism 'racist'.
Your only criticism of Islam seems to be it is 'strict' or criticism for mostly Pakistani and Bangladeshi tribal customs like forced marriage. You didn't touch on the antisemitism, homophobia, death for apostasy, women reduced to chattel, paradise reward for martyrs, criticism silenced, cartoons censored, threats to kill Jews and Hindus etc. Or is that the 'wrong type of Muslim' as we so often hear? Who decides who is the 'wrong type of Muslim' then?
I mentioned many of those things (and even used the word "chattels') but I expected such a criticism from you. I also expected you to be the one to use the term 'apologist', which is not what I was doing.
What a shame that you didn't exceed my low expectations of your response but instead filled them.
A Turkish intelligence source told the Telegraph: “They were seen in Tal Abyad on Friday. They were travelling with a Syrian male in a private car. They were using Syrian identity cards.
“We understand that after arriving in Istanbul the girls met an Isil member who is charged with helping foreigners who want to join the group.”
The fact that they had a contact and Syrian identity cards to allow them to cross the border suggests a degree of pre-planning.
The fact that the Turks are aware of an IS contact working in Istanbul, they know who he is AND saw him with the girls....yet didn't intervene in any way....not the first time recently they've let a "Western" girl through to Syria, after all ;-)...says a lot more about Turkey and its partiality in all this...
I mentioned many of those things (and even used the word "chattels') but I expected such a criticism from you. I also expected you to be the one to use the term 'apologist', which is not what I was doing.
What a shame that you didn't exceed my low expectations of your response but instead filled them.
I read your massive previous post and I am afraid despite what you may think, it came across as incredibly apologist. But so what right? Someone needs to shield these girls and their parents and blame the internet right?
The problem can't be due to their parent's Islamic indoctrination, their Academy with a history of creating another Jihadist, muslim area (50% of Benthnal Green is muslim) etc... Has to be a YouTube vid right? A youtube video that convinced young teenage girls that burning alive Jordanian pilots in cages in the name of Sunni Islam is cool like Justin Beiber tickets on a Saturday night.
common..
Come down to London and see what is happening on the ground.
I don't doubt for a moment they knew about what ISIS is and the barbaric acts it commits - what they probably did was listen to the justification for those acts on ISIS propaganda and buy into them. (Such as Muath al-Kaseasbeh was burned because he had burned children in air raids etc). The ISIS propaganda machine is well constructed and targeted - they want willing girls to serve them and they know just the age range and the methods they need to use to get them, 15/16 year old girls are very vulnerable to 'romance' and when handsome young men who are fighting for Islam, say they are forced to do horrendous things to achieve their goal of a paradise of peace and harmony etc etc, the girls believe it. It is crap, but for some adolescent girls it is the kind of romantic, idealistic crap they can buy into. I don't think for a moment they are 'on an adventure' - I think they believe that they will be going into a wonderful life filled with Prince Charming and his little babies to care for. And they are going to get a huge shock after about five minutes.
Come off it, they know fully well they aren't venturing into some princess fantasy.
Decapitations and cage burnings are hardly things romantic dreams are made of.
The fact that the Turks are aware of an IS contact working in Istanbul, they know who he is AND saw him with the girls....yet didn't intervene in any way....not the first time recently they've let a "Western" girl through to Syria, after all ;-)...says a lot more about Turkey and its partiality in all this...
Turkey's enabling of ISIS has never been in question. However Turkey is massively popular among the Liblabcons - so another subject swept under the carpet.
The fact that the Turks are aware of an IS contact working in Istanbul, they know who he is AND saw him with the girls....yet didn't intervene in any way....not the first time recently they've let a "Western" girl through to Syria, after all ;-)...says a lot more about Turkey and its partiality in all this...
It certainly made me raise an eyebrow.
So their intelligence services know about the network of IS 'fixers' AND they know that the town on the Turkish side of the border is heavily infiltrated with IS people AND their national airline does nothing to alert authorities when young girls travelling alone book tickets from the UK (and presumably elsewhere).
It all leaves a pretty sour taste. Mind you - isn't the current Turkish administration pretty conservative, which does make you wonder where their sympathies lie.
I mentioned many of those things (and even used the word "chattels') but I expected such a criticism from you. I also expected you to be the one to use the term 'apologist', which is not what I was doing.
What a shame that you didn't exceed my low expectations of your response but instead filled them.
The barbarians never sack a city without the apologists and appeasers holding the door open for them. Absolving them of blame when the fact is they made the decision to plan and go there and be used as a PR win for Islamic terrorists and will probably set up blogs to recruit more people.
That will obviously be dismissed by apologists as someone 'posing as them' in another attempt to bury their head and not realise we have people here and abroad that hate us and our way of life and would wish we came to harm in the name of their religion.
I hope these traitors and all the rest never come back and die in Syria or Iraq in disgrace.
So their intelligence services know about the network of IS 'fixers' AND they know that the town on the Turkish side of the border is heavily infiltrated with IS people AND their national airline does nothing to alert authorities when young girls travelling alone book tickets from the UK (and presumably elsewhere).
It all leaves a pretty sour taste. Mind you - isn't the current Turkish administration pretty conservative, which does make you wonder where their sympathies lie.
Mazzy, many of those calling themselves ISIS were trained and armed at the Turkish taxpayer's expense in Turkey in order to topple the 'Shia' Assad.
"British authorities are not doing enough to alert parents when their children are at risk of being radicalised online, a lawyer for the family of a young woman who joined Islamic State has said."
So it's the fault of the government that their children are being indoctrinated and lured to the delights of Syria.
If the parents cannot bring up their children and keep tabs on what they do, why do they think the government will tap them on the shoulder and alert them to what their little darlings are up to?
To blame the government is merely exonerating themselves from any responsibilty.
I read your massive previous post and I am afraid despite what you may think, it came across as incredibly apologist. But so what right? Someone needs to shield these girls and their parents and blame the internet right?
The problem can't be due to their parent's Islamic indoctrination, their Academy with a history of creating another Jihadist, muslim area (50% of Benthnal Green is muslim) etc... Has to be a YouTube vid right? A youtube video that convinced young teenage girls that burning alive Jordanian pilots in cages in the name of Sunni Islam is cool like Justin Beiber tickets on a Saturday night.
common..
Come down to London and see what is happening on the ground.
Even the Security Forces and MI5! It is always someone elses fault, never anything to do with them and their religion.
Originally Posted by MAW
I'm really struggling with the level of hatred aimed at 3 schoolgirls. Did none of you ever do anything stupid as teenagers? I'm quite ok with pointing out the many, many ghastly things about Islam in its purer form, but really? Their first youthful offence is sufficient for you lot to wish them dead. And some very surprising members there too. Are we all just fatigued, numbed by Islamic terror or something? Are we not supposed to be better than they are?
Yes, people have done stupid things as teenagers, like bleaching their hair, or getting a piercing.
Generally a teenage mistake doesn't include joining a notorious terrorist organisation which has raped and murdered countless innocent people in the most barbaric and vicious ways.
I am pretty sure the said on the news yesterday that Turkish Airlines did not question anyone over the age of 12 travelling alone.
Thanks for the answers, I had a feeling someone of it was a bit obvious but it was hard to see much of use amongst the usual 'jolly to and fro' of this kind of thread...
I agree the security services have bigger fish to fry, and if someone has nicked a useable passport then that sort of gets the airlines off the hook though (separate subject as this one was clearly bypassed) I'm a little surprised that there isn't some legal thing about under-16s leaving the country.
And thinking about it, 99% of the wrongness and mistakes here seem to be nothing that would be sensibly pinned on to the security services anyway. (e2a: not unless you want to digress on to a Turkey/EU thread)
Presumably IS have a load of one-shot credit cards to use so as long as they don't use their corporate discount card that's going to be tricky to catch.
Young people who are emerging into political awareness has always been a rich feeding ground for recruitment into extreme political radical ideology groups. Fascism , communism etc.
the use of social media has made the problem much more difficult to control as access is to millions of potential recruits as opposed to hundreds , possibly thousands in the past.
"British authorities are not doing enough to alert parents when their children are at risk of being radicalised online, a lawyer for the family of a young woman who joined Islamic State has said."
So it's the fault of the government that their children are being indoctrinated and lured to the delights of Syria.
If the parents cannot bring up their children and keep tabs on what they do, why do they think the government will tap them on the shoulder and alert them to what their little darlings are up to?
To blame the government is merely exonerating themselves from any responsibilty.
Yes, everyones fault but the parents, their indoctrination of them with strict Muslim upbringing and dress and education.
Yes, people have done stupid things as teenagers, like bleaching their hair, or getting a piercing.
Generally a teenage mistake doesn't include joining a notorious terrorist organisation which has raped and murdered countless innocent people in the most barbaric and vicious ways.
To be fair though, there has never been a comparable situation. Most teenagers in this country are not Muslims and have no want to join ISIS specifically. However a lot of white teenagers have fell into the wrong group of friends, or even joined bad groups inn his country and even get involved in criminal activity. Teenage mistakes are pretty common everywhere, that kind of comes with the territory of underdeveloped brains. That said of course this is the most extreme example and personally I have no worries what happens to these people out there.
"British authorities are not doing enough to alert parents when their children are at risk of being radicalised online, a lawyer for the family of a young woman who joined Islamic State has said."
So it's the fault of the government that their children are being indoctrinated and lured to the delights of Syria.
If the parents cannot bring up their children and keep tabs on what they do, why do they think the government will tap them on the shoulder and alert them to what their little darlings are up to?
To blame the government is merely exonerating themselves from any responsibilty.
It's because a couple of days before the girls left one of them seemingly had contact with the Scottish lass already in Syria.
I wonder what the families expected?
For the security services to come round and knock on their doors within minutes of the fairly innocuous message? They'd be puffing up their victim statuses had that happened. Also, is the security service so well staffed that they can do that kind of instant surveillance and action?
Did they want them to suddenly install an outward border check for this girl and her friends?
If the security services missed an opportunity to stop these girls,could we also perhaps, maybe, possibly, place a tiny bit of blame on the parents as well? Or isN't that allowed? Because it seems an awful lot are simply accepting the notion that the parents couldn't wouldn't shouldn't have known.
Come off it, they know fully well they aren't venturing into some princess fantasy.
Decapitations and cage burnings are hardly things romantic dreams are made of.
"O Romeo, Romeo! Wherefore art thou Romeo?"
"I'm just chopping some fella's head off"
"Sigh, I love you Romeo"
I agree. At 15 and 16 they are not too young to understand exactly what they have done. Brainwashed they may be, but they willingly allowed this to happen. They grew up in a country where they could be free but decided this is not for them.
Instead, they prefer a life of brutality, violence and oppression. Why? We need to ask where this hatred of our culture comes from in these young people. What makes them so unhappy that they choose to go lead a hard life of war and misery?
Come off it, they know fully well they aren't venturing into some princess fantasy.
Decapitations and cage burnings are hardly things romantic dreams are made of.
"O Romeo, Romeo! Wherefore art thou Romeo?"
"I'm just chopping some fella's head off"
"Sigh, I love you Romeo"
Sadly, seen through the eyes of a radicalised female recruit, you're probably not far from the truth. Obviously, that's not exactly any improvement over other rationales, is it. But it is much along the lines of tweets from females already out there. 'Loving the crucifiction, puts me in the mood for making another baby martyr'. Though as I've said, I reckon many if not most of that kind of crap is made by the men. I don't expect women to be allowed social media under the Islamic caliphate.
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I am pretty sure the said on the news yesterday that Turkish Airlines did not question anyone over the age of 12 travelling alone.
I have just checked their website.Children aged 7-12 years can travel alone but have to have a form filled in by a parent or guardian. The inference would be that anyone over 12 can travel without any additional supporting documentation.
That seems pretty lax in the current climate - particularly given that Turkey is a key staging post on the way to Syria. I think the airline could do a lot more - one would hope they introduce some additional safeguards following this incident.
The world has become a sorry place when we have to decide which teenagers we'd rather die, girls like these, or their potential victims. For that we can thank Islam.
Do we actually know whether these girls were groomed, had a handler, or could they just simply have packed their bags and gone of their own volition?
EDIT - I just saw that a 20 year old Scots muslim is reportedly involved in recruiting the girls. She's just a few years older, but seems to be fair game for criticism. A lot of 20 year olds do 'stupid' things as well, so how come this excuse isn't be used for her as well?
Exactly this. I wish I'd thought to articulate it so well. There'll be tears before tea time, and for some time to come. As they appear to have made it to Syria, I very much doubt we'll have to worry about what to do with them. And as there's little or no medical care out there, and that little saved for fighters, they'll be back to 3rd world problems with their baby making. Statistically, that's their most likely cause of death I should think.
Red, we know they were groomed, by the Twitter account of that 'scots' jihadi Jane who left a year or so ago. The press reckon it's no longer her on the account though, but a specialist IS recruiting squad.
They are going to be jihadist brides and a recruiting tool for an Islamic terrorist organisation. If they decide to come back, which is unlikely even if they want to given their PR value to ISIS then they should be jailed. Like Aqsa Mahmood they are a disgrace to their family and their country.
The money isn't the issue, the traitorous inclination to go there and acting on it despite all ISIS stand for is the issue.
Funny how if it was 3 guys that age they would know fully well what they are doing and the brutality they are getting into but 3 girls it is all this cotton-candy view of the world and easily distracted by fluffy kittens, dashing bearded men and baby grows.
They are joining up with Islamic terrorists and will be divvied up like chattel and given to the foreign fighters of ISIS. These girls want that, their religion is compelling them to be treated like that. They aren't going on a jihadi 16-30 holiday to come back with a nice tan and stories of a holiday romance.
Well this article from the Telegraph mentions them being met and helped by a Syrian guy in Turkey who helped them to get over the border, so it would seem that they have not just gone on a whim but by arrangement with IS.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11427505/Schoolgirls-have-already-crossed-Syrian-border-say-sources.html
The fact that they had a contact and Syrian identity cards to allow them to cross the border suggests a degree of pre-planning.
It is also widely reported that they were in communication with that girl from Scotland who became an IS bride in 2013 and who has been blogging and actively trying to recruit UK girls to go out there - (assuming it is her doing the blogging of course, it could be someone using her account.)
Many of their racist habits were indoctrinated from their parents too most probably.
I mentioned many of those things (and even used the word "chattels') but I expected such a criticism from you. I also expected you to be the one to use the term 'apologist', which is not what I was doing.
What a shame that you didn't exceed my low expectations of your response but instead filled them.
The fact that the Turks are aware of an IS contact working in Istanbul, they know who he is AND saw him with the girls....yet didn't intervene in any way....not the first time recently they've let a "Western" girl through to Syria, after all ;-)...says a lot more about Turkey and its partiality in all this...
I read your massive previous post and I am afraid despite what you may think, it came across as incredibly apologist. But so what right? Someone needs to shield these girls and their parents and blame the internet right?
The problem can't be due to their parent's Islamic indoctrination, their Academy with a history of creating another Jihadist, muslim area (50% of Benthnal Green is muslim) etc... Has to be a YouTube vid right? A youtube video that convinced young teenage girls that burning alive Jordanian pilots in cages in the name of Sunni Islam is cool like Justin Beiber tickets on a Saturday night.
common..
Come down to London and see what is happening on the ground.
Decapitations and cage burnings are hardly things romantic dreams are made of.
"O Romeo, Romeo! Wherefore art thou Romeo?"
"I'm just chopping some fella's head off"
"Sigh, I love you Romeo"
Turkey's enabling of ISIS has never been in question. However Turkey is massively popular among the Liblabcons - so another subject swept under the carpet.
It certainly made me raise an eyebrow.
So their intelligence services know about the network of IS 'fixers' AND they know that the town on the Turkish side of the border is heavily infiltrated with IS people AND their national airline does nothing to alert authorities when young girls travelling alone book tickets from the UK (and presumably elsewhere).
It all leaves a pretty sour taste. Mind you - isn't the current Turkish administration pretty conservative, which does make you wonder where their sympathies lie.
The barbarians never sack a city without the apologists and appeasers holding the door open for them. Absolving them of blame when the fact is they made the decision to plan and go there and be used as a PR win for Islamic terrorists and will probably set up blogs to recruit more people.
That will obviously be dismissed by apologists as someone 'posing as them' in another attempt to bury their head and not realise we have people here and abroad that hate us and our way of life and would wish we came to harm in the name of their religion.
I hope these traitors and all the rest never come back and die in Syria or Iraq in disgrace.
Mazzy, many of those calling themselves ISIS were trained and armed at the Turkish taxpayer's expense in Turkey in order to topple the 'Shia' Assad.
http://news.sky.com/story/1432016/uk-exporting-terror-with-homegrown-is-recruits
So it's the fault of the government that their children are being indoctrinated and lured to the delights of Syria.
If the parents cannot bring up their children and keep tabs on what they do, why do they think the government will tap them on the shoulder and alert them to what their little darlings are up to?
To blame the government is merely exonerating themselves from any responsibilty.
Even the Security Forces and MI5! It is always someone elses fault, never anything to do with them and their religion.
Yes, people have done stupid things as teenagers, like bleaching their hair, or getting a piercing.
Generally a teenage mistake doesn't include joining a notorious terrorist organisation which has raped and murdered countless innocent people in the most barbaric and vicious ways.
I agree the security services have bigger fish to fry, and if someone has nicked a useable passport then that sort of gets the airlines off the hook though (separate subject as this one was clearly bypassed) I'm a little surprised that there isn't some legal thing about under-16s leaving the country.
And thinking about it, 99% of the wrongness and mistakes here seem to be nothing that would be sensibly pinned on to the security services anyway. (e2a: not unless you want to digress on to a Turkey/EU thread)
Presumably IS have a load of one-shot credit cards to use so as long as they don't use their corporate discount card that's going to be tricky to catch.
the use of social media has made the problem much more difficult to control as access is to millions of potential recruits as opposed to hundreds , possibly thousands in the past.
Yes, everyones fault but the parents, their indoctrination of them with strict Muslim upbringing and dress and education.
To be fair though, there has never been a comparable situation. Most teenagers in this country are not Muslims and have no want to join ISIS specifically. However a lot of white teenagers have fell into the wrong group of friends, or even joined bad groups inn his country and even get involved in criminal activity. Teenage mistakes are pretty common everywhere, that kind of comes with the territory of underdeveloped brains. That said of course this is the most extreme example and personally I have no worries what happens to these people out there.
It's because a couple of days before the girls left one of them seemingly had contact with the Scottish lass already in Syria.
I wonder what the families expected?
For the security services to come round and knock on their doors within minutes of the fairly innocuous message? They'd be puffing up their victim statuses had that happened. Also, is the security service so well staffed that they can do that kind of instant surveillance and action?
Did they want them to suddenly install an outward border check for this girl and her friends?
If the security services missed an opportunity to stop these girls,could we also perhaps, maybe, possibly, place a tiny bit of blame on the parents as well? Or isN't that allowed? Because it seems an awful lot are simply accepting the notion that the parents couldn't wouldn't shouldn't have known.
I agree. At 15 and 16 they are not too young to understand exactly what they have done. Brainwashed they may be, but they willingly allowed this to happen. They grew up in a country where they could be free but decided this is not for them.
Instead, they prefer a life of brutality, violence and oppression. Why? We need to ask where this hatred of our culture comes from in these young people. What makes them so unhappy that they choose to go lead a hard life of war and misery?
Sadly, seen through the eyes of a radicalised female recruit, you're probably not far from the truth. Obviously, that's not exactly any improvement over other rationales, is it. But it is much along the lines of tweets from females already out there. 'Loving the crucifiction, puts me in the mood for making another baby martyr'. Though as I've said, I reckon many if not most of that kind of crap is made by the men. I don't expect women to be allowed social media under the Islamic caliphate.