apart from they are not killing anyone. The only people dying here are Palestinians when the Israelis retaliate. So his question is legitimate, why bother at all firing them.
Are you disappointed Israelis are not dying? it seems many Europeans are a bit dismayed over this.
Perhaps if you'd bothered to read my post, you'd see the reasons why Israelis are not dying in their hundreds.
And a country cannot sustain a situation where a third of their population lives in bomb shelters.
If Hamas keep poking a bear eventually it will start to go crazy and destroy everything. There won't be anything left to win if eventually Israel roll over the walls in their tanks and obliterate the place.
But we have seen what happens when Hamas does not 'poke the bear'.
Hamas ceased firing rockets for 7 months a few years back, did Israel retreat to the 1967 boarders? Did they even discuss peace? No, they slaughtered a Palestinian family picnicking on a beach. Everyone knows, even the Americans, it is Israel who scupper the peace talks. They want to annex the whole of the West Bank, they want Jerusalem to themselves. This war will not stop until Israel achieves this or until the West say enough is enough.
It's okay, it's self-defence. As a recent Dennis Prager video I saw explained, Israel is a peace-loving nation that has never fired a shot in anger. ;-)
It's okay, it's self-defence. As a recent Dennis Prager video I saw explained, Israel is a peace-loving nation that has never fired a shot in anger. ;-)
It would take Israel about 100 more years to kill as many Muslims as the British have in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Palestinian health ministry said 17 people including five children and three women were killed in the strikes on the house and cafe in Khan Younis.
Meanwhile, an Israeli military spokesman said an attack on a house in Khan Younis on Tuesday in which eight people were killed was "a tragedy - not what we intended", adding people had returned to the building too soon following a telephone warning
Naughty Palestinians! How dare they be in a house the Israelis are bombing? All the fault of the victims obviously, not the people firing the missiles at houses.
Al Queda quoted Israel and her actions as being their driving motivation. I think Europe tolerating Israel has encouraged attacks against the west by terrorists.
First thing that needs to happen is UEFA to block Israel competing within its organisation. UEFA is a golden reward and imo, Israel is not a model asian member.
Al Queda quoted Israel and her actions as being their driving motivation. .
They also quoted their motivations as being to return the caliphate (which includes parts of Europe) and other global Jihad views like creating Muslims states by conquering African nations.
I guess you'd quite like to meet their demands. Something tells me you may have common ground with them ;-)
Talking of ownership, want to know how much of the land was owned by Jews at the time of the UN-proposed partition in 1947? 7%. Yes, SEVEN per cent. Kind of blows your argument out of the water.
What argument? and are you suggesting because Jews owned 7%, that it means 'palestinians' owned 93%?
Because if you're making that claim then you're very silly indeed
BTW I'm not a 'pro-Palestinian'. I am an unbiased observer who can see through blatant propaganda.
Why even bother? His trolling has become so blatant at this point that it's clear as day that he isn't even trying now.
First time I have ever used ignore.
You guys are hilarious.
Anyone who turns up on this thread and runs a contrary, reasoned argument to your own is immediately branded a "Zionist", pupppet of the "Zionist state" and ignored. You haven't once properly engaged with the points which "JG" has made, other than to call him out as a "sock puppet".
Now, I'm prepared to accept he has an agenda and only arrived here when these multiple anti Israeli threads which you're so fond of began to pop up. But even assuming he's a pro Israeli activist, why not engage with him? He's engaged with the (various) pro Palestiian activists who most certainly post here.
Or are you scared certain of your tired old arguments/libels will be found out?
Talking of ownership, want to know how much of the land was owned by Jews at the time of the UN-proposed partition in 1947? 7%. Yes, SEVEN per cent. Kind of blows your argument out of the water.
BTW I'm not a 'pro-Palestinian'. I am an unbiased observer who can see through blatant propaganda.
At the height of the British Empire, we owned one quarter of the world's land service. Four hundred years earlier we owned nothing outside of the British Isles.
Throughout history countries have always won land by exploration AND conquest.
Anyone who turns up on this thread and runs a contrary, reasoned argument to your own is immediately branded a "Zionist", pupppet of the "Zionist state" and ignored. You haven't once properly engaged with the points which "JG" has made, other than to call him out as a "sock puppet".
Now, I'm prepared to accept he has an agenda and only arrived here when these multiple anti Israeli threads which you're so fond of began to pop up. But even assuming he's a pro Israeli activist, why not engage with him? He's engaged with the (various) pro Palestiian activists who most certainly post here.
Or are you scared certain of your tired old arguments/libels will be found out?
Neither side has a monopoly on the truth.
If we put a point up which he can't answer he calls us trolls and puts us on the ignore list. Not really a constructive way to debate, is it?
At the height of the British Empire, we owned one quarter of the world's land service. Four hundred years earlier we owned nothing outside of the British Isles.
So any anyone who supports Israel actually answered my question - what is the point of Israel attacking Gaza?
It's clear it won't weaken Hamas, if anything it will make it stronger, it runs the real risk that Israelis will be killed or injured. And it's certain that the same thing will happen again in a few years time.
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, so if the Israeli government are sane - which is debatable - then it must mean that the Israeli government wants to keep the current situation even if it causes the deaths of Israelis.
Following the kidnapping of three teenaged Israelis in the territories and their murders, Israel wildly arrested some 500 Palestinians, including members of parliament and dozens of freed prisoners who had no connection at all to the kidnapping. The army terrorized the entire West Bank with a dragnet and mass arrests, whose declared aim was “to crush Hamas.” A racist campaign raged on the Internet and led to a Palestinian teenager being burned alive. All this followed Israel’s punitive campaign against the effort to establish a Palestinian unity government that the world was prepared to recognize, its violation of its commitment to release prisoners, a halt of the diplomatic process and a refusal to propose any alternate plan or vision.
Did we really think the Palestinians would accept all this submissively, obediently, and calmly, and that peace and quiet would continue to prevail in Israel’s cities?
What exactly were we thinking? That Gaza would live forever in the shadow of Israeli (and Egyptian) caprice, with the restraints sometimes loosened a bit, or sometimes painfully tightened? That the biggest prison in the world would carry on as a prison? That hundreds of thousands of its residents would remain cut off forever? That exports would be blocked and fishing restricted? What exactly are 1.5 million people supposed to live on? Is there anyone who can explain why the blockade, even if partial, of Gaza continues? Can anyone explain why its future is never discussed? Did we think that all this would continue and Gaza would accept it submissively? Anyone who thought so was a victim of dangerous delusions, and now we are all paying the price.
But please, just don’t act surprised. Just don’t raise hell about the Palestinians raining rockets on Israeli cities for nothing – such luxuries are no longer acceptable. The dread that Israeli citizens are feeling now is no greater that the dread felt by hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who in recent weeks waited in terror for the soldiers to break down their doors and invade their homes in the middle of the night, to search, trash, destroy, humiliate, and then snatch a member of their household. The fear we’re experiencing is no greater that the fear felt by Palestinian children and teens, several of whom were killed needlessly by Israeli Defense Forces fire in recent weeks. The trepidation Israelis feel is certainly less than that felt by Gaza residents, who have no Color Red warnings, no “secure spaces,” and no Iron Dome to save them, only hundreds of scary sorties by the Israel Air Force that end in destruction and the death of innocents, including the elderly, women, and children, who have already been killed during this operation, as it during all its predecessors.
The operation already has a childish name, “Protective Edge.” But Operation Protective Edge started and will end like all previous operations – giving us no protection and no edge. The media and public opinion want Palestinian blood and destruction, with the center-left supporting this, of course, as it always has at the beginning. But what comes next has already long been written in the chronicles of all the senseless and bloody Gaza operations through the ages. What’s amazing is that from operation to operation, nobody seems to learn anything, and nothing changes except the weapons.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indeed acted with restraint at first, and was duly praised for it – but it was impossible for him to hold back in the face of the Gaza rocket fire. Everyone knows Netanyahu wasn’t interested in this confrontation.
Is that so? If he really wasn’t interested in it, then he should have seriously pursued diplomatic negotiations. But he didn’t, so it’s clear that he really was interested in confrontation. The headline of his newspaper, Israel Hayom, declared, “Take it to the finish.” But Israel will never achieve the insane “finish” desired by Israel Hayom, certainly not by force.
“There’s no way to evade punishment for what’s been happening here for almost 50 years,” writer David Grossman told the Israel Conference on Peace this week. That was only a few hours before the next punishment in the series of crimes and punishments landed on Israeli civilians, who are so innocent and blameless. [/quote]
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Are you disappointed Israelis are not dying? it seems many Europeans are a bit dismayed over this.
Perhaps if you'd bothered to read my post, you'd see the reasons why Israelis are not dying in their hundreds.
And a country cannot sustain a situation where a third of their population lives in bomb shelters.
But we have seen what happens when Hamas does not 'poke the bear'.
Hamas ceased firing rockets for 7 months a few years back, did Israel retreat to the 1967 boarders? Did they even discuss peace? No, they slaughtered a Palestinian family picnicking on a beach. Everyone knows, even the Americans, it is Israel who scupper the peace talks. They want to annex the whole of the West Bank, they want Jerusalem to themselves. This war will not stop until Israel achieves this or until the West say enough is enough.
Is this the kind of 'logic' that pro-palestinians' come up with?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eQ6S0-o3uFI
They claim it's noble and effective.
Of course they're too stupid to realise that it's only 'effective' because Israel tries to limit civilian casualties.
Of course. Like Aboriginals & Native Americans.
They didn't even have a governing system yet people like you still cry tears for their rights.
Yet Jews who did have a governing system and ran their state before the Europeans came to steal if from them, don't have any rights.
I wonder what's behind your hypocrisy? ;-)
It would take Israel about 100 more years to kill as many Muslims as the British have in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Britain - peace loving nation
Even God wasn't happy with them. They were expelled twice from their Promised Land for disobeying Him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28241273
Naughty Palestinians! How dare they be in a house the Israelis are bombing? All the fault of the victims obviously, not the people firing the missiles at houses.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsLnuiGCUAALYJR.jpg:large
These are the people Europeans cheer for.
Of course they boo and hiss when it happens in Europe.
First thing that needs to happen is UEFA to block Israel competing within its organisation. UEFA is a golden reward and imo, Israel is not a model asian member.
They also quoted their motivations as being to return the caliphate (which includes parts of Europe) and other global Jihad views like creating Muslims states by conquering African nations.
I guess you'd quite like to meet their demands. Something tells me you may have common ground with them ;-)
and you agree or what with that view from bin laden? if a terrorist cites something as a reason for their actions is that legitimate?
You need to explain that to Hamas
Yep. They pull the same shit annually.
Then cry to the UN/Europe about massacres.
They're literally firing hundreds of rocket indiscriminately all over Israel and claiming to be the victims when Israel hits back.
So many useful idiots in Europe peddling their propaganda for them too.
What argument? and are you suggesting because Jews owned 7%, that it means 'palestinians' owned 93%?
Because if you're making that claim then you're very silly indeed
I'm not convinced
You guys are hilarious.
Anyone who turns up on this thread and runs a contrary, reasoned argument to your own is immediately branded a "Zionist", pupppet of the "Zionist state" and ignored. You haven't once properly engaged with the points which "JG" has made, other than to call him out as a "sock puppet".
Now, I'm prepared to accept he has an agenda and only arrived here when these multiple anti Israeli threads which you're so fond of began to pop up. But even assuming he's a pro Israeli activist, why not engage with him? He's engaged with the (various) pro Palestiian activists who most certainly post here.
Or are you scared certain of your tired old arguments/libels will be found out?
Neither side has a monopoly on the truth.
Maybe not, but according to Israeli troops you did get the IDF forcing Palestinians to be human shields during Operation Cast Lead among other atrocities. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-reveal-the-brutal-truth-of-gaza-attack-1746485.html
At the height of the British Empire, we owned one quarter of the world's land service. Four hundred years earlier we owned nothing outside of the British Isles.
Throughout history countries have always won land by exploration AND conquest.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=71698906&highlight=#post71698906
Trolling 101 right there.
It's clear it won't weaken Hamas, if anything it will make it stronger, it runs the real risk that Israelis will be killed or injured. And it's certain that the same thing will happen again in a few years time.
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, so if the Israeli government are sane - which is debatable - then it must mean that the Israeli government wants to keep the current situation even if it causes the deaths of Israelis.
Meanwhile from Haaretz
Following the kidnapping of three teenaged Israelis in the territories and their murders, Israel wildly arrested some 500 Palestinians, including members of parliament and dozens of freed prisoners who had no connection at all to the kidnapping. The army terrorized the entire West Bank with a dragnet and mass arrests, whose declared aim was “to crush Hamas.” A racist campaign raged on the Internet and led to a Palestinian teenager being burned alive. All this followed Israel’s punitive campaign against the effort to establish a Palestinian unity government that the world was prepared to recognize, its violation of its commitment to release prisoners, a halt of the diplomatic process and a refusal to propose any alternate plan or vision.
Did we really think the Palestinians would accept all this submissively, obediently, and calmly, and that peace and quiet would continue to prevail in Israel’s cities?
What exactly were we thinking? That Gaza would live forever in the shadow of Israeli (and Egyptian) caprice, with the restraints sometimes loosened a bit, or sometimes painfully tightened? That the biggest prison in the world would carry on as a prison? That hundreds of thousands of its residents would remain cut off forever? That exports would be blocked and fishing restricted? What exactly are 1.5 million people supposed to live on? Is there anyone who can explain why the blockade, even if partial, of Gaza continues? Can anyone explain why its future is never discussed? Did we think that all this would continue and Gaza would accept it submissively? Anyone who thought so was a victim of dangerous delusions, and now we are all paying the price.
But please, just don’t act surprised. Just don’t raise hell about the Palestinians raining rockets on Israeli cities for nothing – such luxuries are no longer acceptable. The dread that Israeli citizens are feeling now is no greater that the dread felt by hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who in recent weeks waited in terror for the soldiers to break down their doors and invade their homes in the middle of the night, to search, trash, destroy, humiliate, and then snatch a member of their household. The fear we’re experiencing is no greater that the fear felt by Palestinian children and teens, several of whom were killed needlessly by Israeli Defense Forces fire in recent weeks. The trepidation Israelis feel is certainly less than that felt by Gaza residents, who have no Color Red warnings, no “secure spaces,” and no Iron Dome to save them, only hundreds of scary sorties by the Israel Air Force that end in destruction and the death of innocents, including the elderly, women, and children, who have already been killed during this operation, as it during all its predecessors.
The operation already has a childish name, “Protective Edge.” But Operation Protective Edge started and will end like all previous operations – giving us no protection and no edge. The media and public opinion want Palestinian blood and destruction, with the center-left supporting this, of course, as it always has at the beginning. But what comes next has already long been written in the chronicles of all the senseless and bloody Gaza operations through the ages. What’s amazing is that from operation to operation, nobody seems to learn anything, and nothing changes except the weapons.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indeed acted with restraint at first, and was duly praised for it – but it was impossible for him to hold back in the face of the Gaza rocket fire. Everyone knows Netanyahu wasn’t interested in this confrontation.
Is that so? If he really wasn’t interested in it, then he should have seriously pursued diplomatic negotiations. But he didn’t, so it’s clear that he really was interested in confrontation. The headline of his newspaper, Israel Hayom, declared, “Take it to the finish.” But Israel will never achieve the insane “finish” desired by Israel Hayom, certainly not by force.
“There’s no way to evade punishment for what’s been happening here for almost 50 years,” writer David Grossman told the Israel Conference on Peace this week. That was only a few hours before the next punishment in the series of crimes and punishments landed on Israeli civilians, who are so innocent and blameless. [/quote]