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Could Liverpool be the dominant force in English football for next few seasons?

Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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Anyone think Liverpool have the potential to dominate English football for the next few seasons?

Liverpool have been by far the best team in the league this year, very impressive, breaking all sorts of goalscoring records (their own, Suarez's possibly breaking Ronaldo's goalscoring record, most wins in a row etc).

Liverpool have been on another planet since the start of 2014, leaving so many teams for dead, its almost Bayern Munich-esque of Germany.

Liverpool are going to have a field day in the transfer market this summer if they win the league, so many players wanting to come to them, they can only get better, particularly in defense.

They're actually the first team I think other european teams will fear an English team as a genuine force to win the CL next year, because recently a lot of English teams have relied on workmanlike performances and trying to sneak the CL with 10 men behind the ball/hard to beat/penalties. Liverpool wont be anything like that.

They could in time genuinely challenge Bayern, Real, Barca etc.
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    skimminstonesskimminstones Posts: 8,403
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    not really. Each of Arsenal, Chelsea and City have had the same things said about them when they won the leagues, none of them dominated.
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    Jamesp84Jamesp84 Posts: 31,239
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    No.

    Please stop, this is depressing enough as it is.
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    rhynoGBrhynoGB Posts: 4,278
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    Liverpool have been pretty awesome this year, but I feel alot of it is down to not having european games.

    If they dominate next season, and have an assult on the champions league as well I don't see them being as fresh everyweek. Unless they get a bigger squad.

    If Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal & Man Utd didn't play in europe, i'm sure they would be as fresh as Liverpool are.

    Taking nothing away from them though. They have been fantastic.
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    mike65mike65 Posts: 11,386
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    Its a bit early to declare a back to the 70/80s future for Liverpool esp as they haven't even secured a CL spot for certain yet (true!) but if they play their cards well then the club can use the return to the CL to build something of substance - the stadium, which has been an issue for years now is finally on the edge of getting the green light to redevelop and that's going to be a huge leap forward.

    In truth I don't think any one team is going to dominate again. It'll be a healthy competition between 4/5 even 6 clubs I think in the PL.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    rhynoGB wrote: »
    Liverpool have been pretty awesome this year, but I feel alot of it is down to not having european games.

    I've heard this a lot, but Liverpool in the transfer market this summer, could accomodate that, they can build a squad that is fit for attacking on different fronts now.

    People need to understand that Liverpool were 7th last year, the players that were availible to them then wont be anything like the players they could attract this summer.

    Brendan Rodgers is a shrewd man, he wont just want the league and thats it, I reckon he thinks this Liverpool side can push on and go to new levels, especially with the resources he can get this summer.
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    alancrackeralancracker Posts: 5,280
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    Far far too soon for posts and comments like this - heck we have not even won the PL yet. So first job is Norwich tomorrow and then whoever we play after that :D then the other two games and we take it from there.

    Then we see who we get transfer wise in the summer and go into next season and like this take that a game at a time too.

    All I will say as a LFC fan is that there are lots I love about how we play at the moment and a lot of the squad appear to have their best days ahead of them but we must not get ahead of ourselves.

    Even if we win the PL this season - which I will admit now seems likely - I would not label us as some kind of superstars - yet - you have to be at the top for more than one season to earn that accolade.

    I would urge LFC fans to be quite cautious in joining in this thread agreeing with the OPs hypothesis - it is the type of thing our enemies (and as we have seen recently there are a lot of them) will copy and then bring up at some point in the future with the intention of making us look silly.
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    Steveaustin316Steveaustin316 Posts: 15,779
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    rhynoGB wrote: »
    Liverpool have been pretty awesome this year, but I feel alot of it is down to not having european games.

    That could prove an advantage for United next season if they finish 7th.
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    InTheLoopInTheLoop Posts: 6,595
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    They have not been by far the best team at all. They have played at least 10-15 matches less than all the other leading teams and their defence is awful, usually outscoring opponents to obtain wins which is entertaining but not the known trait of champions

    But still if they win it then congratulations, worthy winners whoever finishes 1st. Rodgers comes across as an excellent character in post-match interviews and it seems fitting they win a major trophy for the 1st time in a decade the season after Ferguson retires

    Seemingly a United fans worst nightmare; Liverpool (PL), City (League Cup) and Arsenal/Chelsea (maybe the FA and CL!)
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    RichmondBlueRichmondBlue Posts: 21,279
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    They could, but I don't think they will. Not without massive expenditure anyway..are they likely to have that kind of money ?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,575
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    No !

    A lot has gone for Liverpool this season, although it is OTT to say they have been lucky.

    But they are far off having a squad being able to compete on all fronts. And building anything like such a squad while redeveloping their stadium seems unlikely to me. So competing in the PL and CL will I think be quite tough for them

    This season has sort of had the stars and moons alligning in the right place, though they have played some thrilling stuff, and I certainly wouldn't begrudge them the title this season.

    Far from becoming some dominant force, they wouldn't be in my three favourites for next season. I'd have Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal ahead of them and surely Man United must also be much better again next season.
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    Steveaustin316Steveaustin316 Posts: 15,779
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    InTheLoop wrote: »
    They have not been by far the best team at all. They have played at least 10-15 matches less than all the other leading teams and their defence is awful, usually outscoring opponents to obtain wins which is entertaining but not the known trait of champions

    Winning the title is the only thing that matters, whether it is achieved by outscoring your opponents or keeping things tight at the back. The end result is the same.
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    Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    Its this kind of crap that gets my pants in a bunch. On the verge of their first league title in 20+years and now they can dominate for years to come? Get one in the bag first eh?

    I remember when City won their title and people said their money would mean no one would win it again ever.

    Similar to what they said about Chelsea…..

    Which was similar to what they said about Blackburn…

    The fact that Liverpool could be winning the title this year is the very example of why no-one can say they are going to dominate because no-one say this coming this season in the first place.
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    InTheLoopInTheLoop Posts: 6,595
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    Winning the title is the only thing that matters, whether it is achieved by outscoring your opponents or keeping things tight at the back. The end result is the same.

    Yep agreed. And as I said they are worthy winners.

    But they have not been "by far" the best team, not at all. Some of the goals they have conceded have been unbelievable this season, but its refreshing seeing their attack mesmerise week after week in 2014.

    I was going to say they have gotten the rub of the green but they were on the end of some awful decisions at City, Chelsea and Arsenal, though I think Chamberlain's foul was in the FA Cup.

    I think them playing in midweek would be a huge deficit for the squad and staff to get used to. Hasn't helped that they have been out of it for several years either.

    City / Pellegrini will surely sign an adequate CB, Chelsea WILL have a striker, Utd and Arsenal are a lottery but I'd say Pool will finish anywhere between 3rd-5th, too early to say though.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    indiana44 wrote: »
    Far from becoming some dominant force, they wouldn't be in my three favourites for next season. I'd have Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal ahead of them and surely Man United must also be much better again next season.

    Really? Aren't they normally 4th place specialists, trophyless, finishing in the round of 16 in the CL?
    Cantona07 wrote:
    Its this kind of crap that gets my pants in a bunch. On the verge of their first league title in 20+years and now they can dominate for years to come? Get one in the bag first eh?

    Ok you say its crap and don't get me wrong, you're legitimately allowed to criticise my suggestion if you wish, however here's why I'm putting forward this theory and why I don't think its wacky backy:

    - They've scored more goals than ANY other Liverpool side ever (you know they have won the league 18 times before right?)
    - They have a lethal forward who is breaking records in England.
    - They are on a match winning streak that could break an English league record in all 4 divisions which no other team has done in 120 years of football.

    Now I didn't say they will dominate English football, my question was could they, as if do they have the potential to do so?

    I'm honestly not totally impressed with Mourinho's work at Chelsea or Pellegrini's at City either.
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    Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    Thomas007 wrote: »
    Ok you say its crap and don't get me wrong, you're legitimately allowed to criticise my suggestion if you wish, however here's why I'm putting forward this theory and why I don't think its wacky backy:

    - They've scored more goals than ANY other Liverpool side ever (you know they have won the league 18 times before right?)
    - They have a lethal forward who is breaking records in England.
    - They are on a match winning streak that could break an English league record in all 4 divisions which no other team has done in 120 years of football.

    Now I didn't say they will dominate English football, my question was could they, as if do they have the potential to do so?

    I'm honestly not totally impressed with Mourinho's work at Chelsea or Pellegrini's at City either.

    Ok yes they COULD. Thats hardly a discussion point though is it? Potentially the could but then potentially anything could happen.

    They haven't won the first title yet and people are looking for a dynasty. People said the same thing about City two years ago and now here we are with Liverpool potentially winning the title, that shows how hard this stuff is to call so if all you are looking for is someone to endorse what could potentially happen then yes, they could dominate.

    My personal feeling? No i don't think they will. They will have done incredibly well to win the title this season and while fully deserved if it happens there will be enough changes in the challenging clubs coupled with additional challenges for themselves next season to make a repeat a very tall order.
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    mikeydddmikeyddd Posts: 11,684
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    InTheLoop wrote: »
    They have not been by far the best team at all. They have played at least 10-15 matches less than all the other leading teams and their defence is awful, usually outscoring opponents to obtain wins which is entertaining but not the known trait of champions

    !)

    The average goals conceded by the top 8 teams is 38 liverpool have conceded 42. Yes their defence is truely aweful
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,575
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    And to describe them as by far the best team in the league and Bayern Munichesque is, I am sorry, but just laughable, flying in the face of facts.

    If they win the league this season, and they haven't done it yet, they will deserve it for having put together the best 38 league games. And it's a great achievement from where they were. It doesn't need or deserve to be totally overblown.

    But as I said, certain circumstances, notably no European matches combined themselves with various players undoubtably being in outstanding form.

    There honestly is little to me that suggests they will now dominate ( and they are not really just now ).

    Bayern Munichesque !? :D
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    [QUOTE=Cantona07[/QUOTE]
    They haven't won the first title yet and people are looking for a dynasty. People said the same thing about City two years ago and now here we are with Liverpool potentially winning the title, that shows how hard this stuff is to call so if all you are looking for is someone to endorse what could potentially happen then yes, they could dominate.

    My personal feeling? No i don't think they will. They will have done incredibly well to win the title this season and while fully deserved if it happens there will be enough changes in the challenging clubs coupled with additional challenges for themselves next season to make a repeat a very tall order.[/QUOTE]

    One other reason I suspect they could dominate and win the league/CL in upcoming years is because I think Brendan Rodgers is going to be their for some time now, they have long term stability, unlike Chelsea and Man City. Brendan Rodgers looks a really really good manager to me.
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    FMKKFMKK Posts: 32,074
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    They've been brilliant this season but they have to a) keep Suarez and b) add depth to the squad for the added challenge of Champions League football.
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    Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    Thomas007 wrote: »
    They haven't won the first title yet and people are looking for a dynasty. People said the same thing about City two years ago and now here we are with Liverpool potentially winning the title, that shows how hard this stuff is to call so if all you are looking for is someone to endorse what could potentially happen then yes, they could dominate.

    My personal feeling? No i don't think they will. They will have done incredibly well to win the title this season and while fully deserved if it happens there will be enough changes in the challenging clubs coupled with additional challenges for themselves next season to make a repeat a very tall order.

    One other reason I suspect they could dominate and win the league/CL in upcoming years is because I think Brendan Rodgers is going to be their for some time now, they have long term stability, unlike Chelsea and Man City. Brendan Rodgers looks a really really good manager to me.[/QUOTE]

    I think he has some very very good qualities and this will sound like sour grapes and i really don't mean it to but i think he will have to step it up so much next season that that will be the real test - whether they win the title or not this season. Expectation is not always an easy thing to deal with.

    He has done a very good job up until now, that much is certainly not in doubt!

    Edit: The quoting seems arse for elbow here, so I've highlighted my bit .
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    super-eaglesuper-eagle Posts: 597
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    Thomas007 wrote: »

    Liverpool have been by far the best team in the league this year, .


    Don't be ridiculous, Man City and Liverpool's goals per games have been the same(2.7) this season.

    Defensively Man City are better than Liverpool.

    So yeah, the best team this season have been Man City, not Liverpool.

    Liverpool have been riding on a lot luck this season, the three big clubs (City, Utd and Chelsea) changed their managers at the start of the season. These managers have learnt a lot and won't make the same mistakes next season.

    Liverpool will also be competing in the Champions League next season, which will cost them points in the league. So no, Liverpool will not dominate the next few seasons, they'll be lucky to finish in the top 4 if they keep their current squad.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    indiana44 wrote: »
    There honestly is little to me that suggests they will now dominate ( and they are not really just now ).

    Bayern Munichesque !? :D

    Like I say, scoring more goals than any other Liverpool team in history (and Liverpol have some history), they aren't the finished article yet. The way they have been dispatching teams recently, is quite like Bayern Munich in Germany, yes its not hyperbole, its what really is happening. They have the potential to do some serious damage in europe next year.

    We'll see, maybe I'm wrong and they'll be another Leeds 1992/Blackburn 1995, but my suspicions are that they aren't, I look at the progression Liverpool are making and it looks pretty scary too me.
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    BelligerenceBelligerence Posts: 40,613
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    Success is the easy part, continued success is always the difficulty as Alan Hansen would say.

    Liverpool deserve to be league champions, but what does it say about the quality of the teams around them? Teams with unlimited resources. It's an odd season and they've been the best of a bad bunch.

    Regardless, I think Chelsea will be the team to beat next season.
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    mikeydddmikeyddd Posts: 11,684
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    Don't be ridiculous, Man City and Liverpool's goals per games have been the same(2.7) this season.

    Defensively Man City are better than Liverpool.

    So yeah, the best team this season have been Man City, not Liverpool.

    Liverpool have been riding on a lot luck this season, the three big clubs (City, Utd and Chelsea) changed their managers at the start of the season. These managers have learnt a lot and won't make the same mistakes next season.

    Liverpool will also be competing in the Champions League next season, which will cost them points in the league. So no, Liverpool will not dominate the next few seasons, they'll be lucky to finish in the top 4 if they keep their current squad.

    I'm happy to say man city are the best team, when liverpool win the title - don't mind being 2nd best when we win the silverwear. :D
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    FMKKFMKK Posts: 32,074
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    Don't be ridiculous, Man City and Liverpool's goals per games have been the same(2.7) this season.

    Defensively Man City are better than Liverpool.

    So yeah, the best team this season have been Man City, not Liverpool.


    Liverpool have been riding on a lot luck this season, the three big clubs (City, Utd and Chelsea) changed their managers at the start of the season. These managers have learnt a lot and won't make the same mistakes next season.

    Liverpool will also be competing in the Champions League next season, which will cost them points in the league. So no, Liverpool will not dominate the next few seasons, they'll be lucky to finish in the top 4 if they keep their current squad.

    So the team with the best goal difference is the best rather than the team that has the most points? Interesting. That's a new concept to me.
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