Spiked with what though? Date rape drugs knock people out, they can't make you do stuff like that when awake. I think she's just trying the abuse angle on because she's ashamed of what happened. Of course, that's just an opinion at the moment. Judging by the pictures though, I think it's unlikely the guys involved will face charges since the only evidence we have at the moment seems to show her to be complicit. There were enough witnesses around if she was in any way forced to give evidence.
Well many drugs can make people go loopy and act in ways they wouldn't normally act.
It wasn't necessarily the drink spikers intention to assault her or get her to give random BJ's, it could have been for shits and giggles and this was the end result.
The fact that they are looking to see whether her drink was spiked, atm, indicates that there is a belief that her drink may have been spiked.
Of course you may also be correct that the drink spiking thing is her looking for something to blame, or could be her parents looking for something to blame.
But at the moment, they are looking for that so I'm not going to trash her further by calling her a liar or whatever. I think she has gone through enough without people trying to tear down any possibility other than "she's a dirty ****".
Well many drugs can make people go loopy and act in ways they wouldn't normally act.
It wasn't necessarily the drink spikers intention to assault her or get her to give random BJ's, it could have been for shits and giggles and this was the end result.
The fact that they are looking to see whether her drink was spiked, atm, indicates that there is a belief that her drink may have been spiked.
Of course you may also be correct that the drink spiking thing is her looking for something to blame, or could be her parents looking for something to blame.
But at the moment, they are looking for that so I'm not going to trash her further by calling her a liar or whatever.
But if it wasn't a drug used to knock her out (which it clearly wasn't), how the hell would you prove she was spiked and didn't just do some drugs willingly? I heard many people think they were spiked and it turns out they just drank too much. All she has to do is say it was spiked for them to look into it so it's hardly like there is some clear evidence that she was, so I wouldn't read too much into that either. I have to say, I've been off my face plenty of times and not done anything this stupid, and concert goers will be able to give evidence she was forced. None of them have said so though and it all seems a bit unlikely.
Kid gets pissed, sucks dick, gets pic taken. Silly to make more of a meal out of it than that. It would have been all but forgotten other than within her immediate vicinity if they just shut up about their investigation and got on with it.
I can't help but think it is a complete waste of resources though.
dont do anything stupid, life goes on, maybe move location,change hairstyle or whaetever and start over, long life ahead of you yet and noone will remember this if you distance yourself from it.
Well, at the moment it stands that she may have had a drink spiked, so those are the facts as we know them.
But, even if she is just shameless, that does not excuse the level and type of abuse she has received.
Also, if she is shameless and giving random people BJ's in public was something she was happy to do, then that makes her an idiot for doing it in full view of so many people, it does not make her a lesser human being who is open for you to throw abusive slurs like **** and slag at.
Terms like **** are not really descriptive, they are demeaning slurs that people use to abuse other people with.
The latest reports in the Irish press suggest the unfortunate girl was acting strangely and erratically and trying to kiss random strangers, with many bystanders bemused and baffled by her behaviour.
It sounds like she was having some sort of an "episode" and was out of control, rather than someone just become a bit frisky when drunk. I'd hazard a guess that this was not a typical day in her life and that something went horribly wrong.
dont do anything stupid, life goes on, maybe move location,change hairstyle or whaetever and start over, long life ahead of you yet and noone will remember this if you distance yourself from it.
I'd say to her myself that she hasn't killed anyone or done any harm to anyone, and she should try and get on with her life. Everyone makes mistakes in life, it's how you deal with them that is all that matters.
But if it wasn't a drug used to knock her out (which it clearly wasn't), how the hell would you prove she was spiked and didn't just do some drugs willingly? I heard many people think they were spiked and it turns out they just drank too much. All she has to do is say it was spiked for them to look into it so it's hardly like there is some clear evidence that she was, so I wouldn't read too much into that either. I have to say, I've been off my face plenty of times and not done anything this stupid, and concert goers will be able to give evidence she was forced. None of them have said so though and it all seems a bit unlikely.
This is a great post.
I have heard so many people question if they were spiked or not, because they just felt like shit and had abit too much to drink.
I'm pretty sure people putting drugs into random peoples drinks is very, very rare.
And... like you said, nothing will be proven, it's just something to help save face.
People are acting like something must have been wrong for her to do this, but like I have already said, maybe she is just like this, but this time, she did it in full view of everyone, twice.
Well hopefully a blood or urine test will uncover if she was drugged or not.
But I agree with one of the posters above - girl gets shitfaced, sucks a few dicks, pictures taken and is now crying about it. And I do believe she was self aware of what was going on but didn't think about the consequences.
People are acting like something must have been wrong for her to do this, but like I have already said, maybe she is just like this, but this time, she did it in full view of everyone, twice.
Since you've shown no interest in answering my question, obviously meaning you don' definitively know why she did it, i'll move on.
It's actually perfectly feasible she did what she did under a degree of duress. Maybe she felt she had to comply and do what she did because she'd be subjected to worse treatment afterwards ?
It's just as plausible a theory as any of the others ..
I appreciate in the simplistic world some people live in, there'll be the inevitable response of "well why didn't she just run away?" though, but if you're a teenage girl in that situation, and you've been threatened - obviously allegedly - with violence, then your self preservation instinct would likely kick in and you'd become compliant just to survive.
.............. if she is shameless and giving random people BJ's in public was something she was happy to do, then that makes her an idiot for doing it in full view of so many people, it does not make her a lesser human being who is open for you to throw abusive slurs like **** and slag at.
Terms like **** are not really descriptive, they are demeaning slurs that people use to abuse other people with.
If you think that by giving my opinion I am abusing the 'girl', then I will amend my language. But I regard the above acts as 'sluttish' and that is how I describe that behaviour. Therefore I'm describing the behaviour not the 'person'. Ok.
'Idiot' is not a flattering word for a person is it, and to call this 'person' an idiot is a gross understatement. If you regard the behaviour as beyond reproach and not worth commenting on and think people are over-reacting to such blatant promiscuity, well then that is your own opinion - which like me, you are entitled to.
I bet they are not. I win.
All these theories ^ are all well and good but come on, what is the most plausible and likely.
Teenage girl goes to festival, can't handle her drink, loses all inhibitions and then,as they say, the rest is history. The sooner it is for her the better. I don't think there are long lasting ramifications for her.
Apparently she is still too upset to be interviewed by the Gardaí. It does sound like this event has turned into a personal catastrophe for her. I do wonder how many 17 year old girls would be able to cope with the shame of such public humiliation.
All this speculation's kind of odd. Doesn't it seem weird to anyone else that we've essentially created a new parlour game called "Under What Circumstances Would A 15-Year-Old Girl Suck Two Dicks?"? How is that even a thing?
Apparently she is still too upset to be interviewed by the Gardaí. It does sound like this event has turned into a personal catastrophe for her. I do wonder how many 17 year old girls would be able to cope with the shame of such public humiliation.
We've all had make the world go away moments, most of us more than one. Most people get over it with the passage of time and nothing more than that. Unfortunately her moments are amplified by social media and now other media interest. Still, I think with the passage of time she'll get over the acute embarrassment of it provided she has the right support from family and friends in the immediacy of it.
All this speculation's kind of odd. Doesn't it seem weird to anyone else that we've essentially created a new parlour game called "Under What Circumstances Would A 15-Year-Old Girl Suck Two Dicks?"? How is that even a thing?
We've all had make the world go away moments, most of us more than one. Most people get over it with the passage of time and nothing more than that. Unfortunately her moments are amplified by social media and now other media interest. Still, I think with the passage of time she'll get over the acute embarrassment of it provided she has the right support from family and friends in the immediacy of it.
I do hope she can get her life back on track. This has been an unmitigated disaster for her and many women twice her age would be struggling badly with the fallout from all this.
She had a bad enough day as it was (having to report to police she was sexually assaulted and her parents being informed), but the public humiliation and shaming aspect is utterly horrendous for her.
Well I hope she or her parents have read more of the sympathetic coverage and not only the derogatory and melodramatic stuff about her life being over etc etc.
I see rent-a-quote "experts" are still saying Facebook and Twitter users who posted the pics may be done for circulating child porn... That should keep the courts busy for a few years.
What about those at the gig? Will everyone within 20 metres, who might have got a glimpse, of the incidents end up on the sex offenders register too? After all they got the live show.
.. she was self aware of what was going on but didn't think about the consequences.
She was having sex, there shouldn't be 'consequences' beyond her emotional/physical health and that of the people she was having sex with.
Regarding her criminal complaint, all that matters is whether her consent was granted or withdrawn. Not her sexual appetites or encounters prior to the alleged incident.
I bet they are not. I win.
All these theories ^ are all well and good but come on, what is the most plausible and likely.
Teenage girl goes to festival, can't handle her drink, loses all inhibitions and then,as they say, the rest is history. The sooner it is for her the better. I don't think there are long lasting ramifications for her.
I think you're right. This scenario that people are trying to draw up of some sort of gang-rape, or gang-suck, or whatever is just wishful thinking.
Go to a festival, and you may occasionally see someone getting a bit fruity and remember it. Where she's had bad luck is doing the same thing to (at least) two different people and then the photos and the internets...
I remember, maybe ten or fifteen years ago, there was a chain e-mail where, basically, some girl told her ex-boyfriend that his sperm tasted nice. He forwarded it to all his mates, they forwarded it to all theirs, and so forth. Maybe it was the first viral e-mail.
Anyway, beyond people who already knew her, I bet no-one remembers her name or what she looked like (her photo was in the papers) and I think this girl will be fine too. At the moment, she'll be going through a very extreme version of cringing at what you did when you were drunk, which I guess is made worse by being able to look at photos of it, rather than just hazy half-recollections....
The latest reports in the Irish press suggest the unfortunate girl was acting strangely and erratically and trying to kiss random strangers, with many bystanders bemused and baffled by her behaviour.
It sounds like she was having some sort of an "episode" and was out of control, rather than someone just become a bit frisky when drunk. I'd hazard a guess that this was not a typical day in her life and that something went horribly wrong.
Maybe she is bipolar? People with that can be very promiscuous
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Well many drugs can make people go loopy and act in ways they wouldn't normally act.
It wasn't necessarily the drink spikers intention to assault her or get her to give random BJ's, it could have been for shits and giggles and this was the end result.
The fact that they are looking to see whether her drink was spiked, atm, indicates that there is a belief that her drink may have been spiked.
Of course you may also be correct that the drink spiking thing is her looking for something to blame, or could be her parents looking for something to blame.
But at the moment, they are looking for that so I'm not going to trash her further by calling her a liar or whatever. I think she has gone through enough without people trying to tear down any possibility other than "she's a dirty ****".
You could always call her a cocksucker if it helps?
But if it wasn't a drug used to knock her out (which it clearly wasn't), how the hell would you prove she was spiked and didn't just do some drugs willingly? I heard many people think they were spiked and it turns out they just drank too much. All she has to do is say it was spiked for them to look into it so it's hardly like there is some clear evidence that she was, so I wouldn't read too much into that either. I have to say, I've been off my face plenty of times and not done anything this stupid, and concert goers will be able to give evidence she was forced. None of them have said so though and it all seems a bit unlikely.
I can't help but think it is a complete waste of resources though.
dont do anything stupid, life goes on, maybe move location,change hairstyle or whaetever and start over, long life ahead of you yet and noone will remember this if you distance yourself from it.
The latest reports in the Irish press suggest the unfortunate girl was acting strangely and erratically and trying to kiss random strangers, with many bystanders bemused and baffled by her behaviour.
It sounds like she was having some sort of an "episode" and was out of control, rather than someone just become a bit frisky when drunk. I'd hazard a guess that this was not a typical day in her life and that something went horribly wrong.
I'd say to her myself that she hasn't killed anyone or done any harm to anyone, and she should try and get on with her life. Everyone makes mistakes in life, it's how you deal with them that is all that matters.
This is a great post.
I have heard so many people question if they were spiked or not, because they just felt like shit and had abit too much to drink.
I'm pretty sure people putting drugs into random peoples drinks is very, very rare.
And... like you said, nothing will be proven, it's just something to help save face.
People are acting like something must have been wrong for her to do this, but like I have already said, maybe she is just like this, but this time, she did it in full view of everyone, twice.
But I agree with one of the posters above - girl gets shitfaced, sucks a few dicks, pictures taken and is now crying about it. And I do believe she was self aware of what was going on but didn't think about the consequences.
Since you've shown no interest in answering my question, obviously meaning you don' definitively know why she did it, i'll move on.
It's actually perfectly feasible she did what she did under a degree of duress. Maybe she felt she had to comply and do what she did because she'd be subjected to worse treatment afterwards ?
It's just as plausible a theory as any of the others ..
I appreciate in the simplistic world some people live in, there'll be the inevitable response of "well why didn't she just run away?" though, but if you're a teenage girl in that situation, and you've been threatened - obviously allegedly - with violence, then your self preservation instinct would likely kick in and you'd become compliant just to survive.
If you think that by giving my opinion I am abusing the 'girl', then I will amend my language. But I regard the above acts as 'sluttish' and that is how I describe that behaviour. Therefore I'm describing the behaviour not the 'person'. Ok.
'Idiot' is not a flattering word for a person is it, and to call this 'person' an idiot is a gross understatement. If you regard the behaviour as beyond reproach and not worth commenting on and think people are over-reacting to such blatant promiscuity, well then that is your own opinion - which like me, you are entitled to.
I bet her parents are so proud.
All these theories ^ are all well and good but come on, what is the most plausible and likely.
Teenage girl goes to festival, can't handle her drink, loses all inhibitions and then,as they say, the rest is history. The sooner it is for her the better. I don't think there are long lasting ramifications for her.
Apparently she is still too upset to be interviewed by the Gardaí. It does sound like this event has turned into a personal catastrophe for her. I do wonder how many 17 year old girls would be able to cope with the shame of such public humiliation.
We've all had make the world go away moments, most of us more than one. Most people get over it with the passage of time and nothing more than that. Unfortunately her moments are amplified by social media and now other media interest. Still, I think with the passage of time she'll get over the acute embarrassment of it provided she has the right support from family and friends in the immediacy of it.
Did she say that?! :eek:
The poor boy must have been mortified.
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I do hope she can get her life back on track. This has been an unmitigated disaster for her and many women twice her age would be struggling badly with the fallout from all this.
She had a bad enough day as it was (having to report to police she was sexually assaulted and her parents being informed), but the public humiliation and shaming aspect is utterly horrendous for her.
What about those at the gig? Will everyone within 20 metres, who might have got a glimpse, of the incidents end up on the sex offenders register too? After all they got the live show.
Doubtful, I actually doubt a criminal prosecution will arise from her complaint. Everyone is being such bastards about this.
She was having sex, there shouldn't be 'consequences' beyond her emotional/physical health and that of the people she was having sex with.
Regarding her criminal complaint, all that matters is whether her consent was granted or withdrawn. Not her sexual appetites or encounters prior to the alleged incident.
I think you're right. This scenario that people are trying to draw up of some sort of gang-rape, or gang-suck, or whatever is just wishful thinking.
Go to a festival, and you may occasionally see someone getting a bit fruity and remember it. Where she's had bad luck is doing the same thing to (at least) two different people and then the photos and the internets...
I remember, maybe ten or fifteen years ago, there was a chain e-mail where, basically, some girl told her ex-boyfriend that his sperm tasted nice. He forwarded it to all his mates, they forwarded it to all theirs, and so forth. Maybe it was the first viral e-mail.
Anyway, beyond people who already knew her, I bet no-one remembers her name or what she looked like (her photo was in the papers) and I think this girl will be fine too. At the moment, she'll be going through a very extreme version of cringing at what you did when you were drunk, which I guess is made worse by being able to look at photos of it, rather than just hazy half-recollections....
Maybe she is bipolar? People with that can be very promiscuous