Didn't see the first programme, but I felt they should've shown a negative example of an immigrant. There are a fair number of them (and even their British-born children) who'd gladly talk about how they dislike the UK and the majority of British people. And I say this as someone who's generally pro-immigration.
Didn't see the first programme, but I felt they should've shown a negative example of an immigrant. There are a fair number of them (and even their British-born children) who'd gladly talk about how they dislike the UK and the majority of British people. And I say this as someone who's generally pro-immigration.
Technically speaking the Somalian was a negative example of an immigrant.
As far as I could see he gave nothing back and just took. Don't really care if his children stay or go.
Even if immigrants are working, there is nothing to say they are a benefit to this country over having a smaller population and more indigenous people working.
I paid privately for years for dental treatment because NHS dentists moved over to private practice. I'm now with an NHS practice again and am particularly glad my dentist came over from Poland to take up a position with the NHS.
I paid privately for years for dental treatment because NHS dentists moved over to private practice. I'm now with an NHS practice again and am particularly glad my dentist came over from Poland to take up a position with the NHS.
Perhaps if people had fought to keep Dentistry in the NHS we wouldn't have needed them.
The story that you had a fabulous life at home in Pakistan with a gardener, chef and staff makes no sense when you then say you could not pay for medication for a lifelong condition but you pay for the medication here, just not the treatment. There IS superb care in Pakistan or India for the wealthy. You could fly and be treated privately in Europe. To understand this we need to know the cost of the treatment and of the medication in Asia versus The cost to the UK taxpayer.
AIUI it is a long term condition were he needs lifelong treatment. He couldn't get the treatment in Pakistan - they didn't explain why but it may have been there wasn't an expert in his condition there (as the Surgeon said, we've got lots of immigrant medical staff here so that's possible)?!? If so multiple flights to/from UK to access private treatment may have not been financially viable compared to moving here. Fair play to them they are working and working hard, having given up that life of luxury. Personally I don't begrudge them that treatment as they are paying into the system.
I didn't realise you had to earn £35.000 to stay here.. So in that respect if they are earning and paying tax then I don't see a problem. But you can't tell me some of these polish immigrants that are doing the minimum wage jobs are earning that much.. So how do they get to stay...
The Somali family are really only political immigrants because they would be going back to their own country, as that was decided by our country to let them here.
I think there may be different rules in place for EU and non-EU immigrants. EU can come and go as they please (hence the French waitress earning a lot less than £35k a year).
The Somali family are in this country are neither asylum seekers nor economic migrants - they were living in France after fleeing Somalia but came to the UK to be close to the wife's family. If they obtained French citizenship I guess that makes them EU migrants.
I think there may be different rules in place for EU and non-EU immigrants. EU can come and go as they please (hence the French waitress earning a lot less than £35k a year).
The Somali family are in this country are neither asylum seekers nor economic migrants - they were living in France after fleeing Somalia but came to the UK to be close to the wife's family. If they obtained French citizenship I guess that makes them EU migrants.
Yes he came here in 2004 as an EU migrant, he left Somalia 21 years ago and claimed Political asylum in France.
I didn't realise you had to earn £35.000 to stay here.. So in that respect if they are earning and paying tax then I don't see a problem. But you can't tell me some of these polish immigrants that are doing the minimum wage jobs are earning that much.. So how do they get to stay...
The Somali family are really only political immigrants because they would be going back to their own country, as that was decided by our country to let them here.
So if peace breaks out in Somalia, will all the refuges from Somalia in the UK go home, even if they have been here years and become citizens etc.?
I don't see why a refugee should even have the right to apply for citizenship, that makes them a normal immigrant.
The EU free movement rules should only apply to people born in the EU who have citizenship.
That would never work. If you grant someone citizenship you afford them all of the rights of any other citizen: that's the whole point. The problem is citizenship is handed out too lightly. Captain Somalia exemplified that all too clearly; he didn't take French citizenship because he loved France and embraced French culture: he took it for personal gain.
Didn't see the first programme, but I felt they should've shown a negative example of an immigrant. There are a fair number of them (and even their British-born children) who'd gladly talk about how they dislike the UK and the majority of British people. And I say this as someone who's generally pro-immigration.
You can find native Brits who talk about the country in the same way. Just take a trip to the Daily Mail site; many of the writers and readers hate Britain there.
It's obvious the Somali family were a drain rather than a gain........free 5 bedroomed house courtesy of housing benefit, child benefit for their 8 children, plus educating them. And they will probably then go back home........
You can find native Brits who talk about the country in the same way.
And some of them decide to leave "Broken Britain" with all its immigration problems and move to France or Spain... when, oddly enough, they become immigrants.
And immigrants who often don't bother learning the language, stay within the British enclave, work au noir, order food online from British supermarkets* to be vanned down to them in the Dordogne, use British people to renovate their houses with materials sourced in the UK and, in short, with absolutely no self-awareness so no sense of the irony, become precisely the immigrant they'd "left Britain to get away from..."
* yes, really! There are small businesses who take in Asda orders (etc) and drive them down through France in refrigerated vans to fixed drop-off points.
Yes; my daughter and her husband live in Germany, near Wiesbaden, and every so often she and her husband (he's US Military) drive to the NATO base at Ramstein to stock up, particularly with British beer
It's obvious the Somali family were a drain rather than a gain........free 5 bedroomed house courtesy of housing benefit, child benefit for their 8 children, plus educating them. And they will probably then go back home........
Anyone who has more than 3 children is very ignorant of what over-population can do to a country, never mind the planet. The Cathoilic Church's inability to understand the importance of contraception in this day and age and to promote contraception is one of its biggest crimes. Whilst many western women have been taking control of their bodies for decades, it appears women in other cultures have yet to catch up. Let's hope this happens soon because the UK is tiny when compared to most other countries and it can't afford the kind if population boom that many third world countries have had.
Yes; my daughter and her husband live in Germany, near Wiesbaden, and every so often she and her husband (he's US Military) drive to the NATO base at Ramstein to stock up, particularly with British beer
I used to shop on Ramstein base .... the PX and the Commissary, Happy Days.
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Technically speaking the Somalian was a negative example of an immigrant.
As far as I could see he gave nothing back and just took. Don't really care if his children stay or go.
Is France a warzone?
Yes but you sir are obviously a racist.
No but England seems to be the only safe country between here and Somalia.
I paid privately for years for dental treatment because NHS dentists moved over to private practice. I'm now with an NHS practice again and am particularly glad my dentist came over from Poland to take up a position with the NHS.
Perhaps if people had fought to keep Dentistry in the NHS we wouldn't have needed them.
My dentist is Polish too.
There's now NHS dentists available thanks to immigration. I didn't want to pay privately, I did it to take care of my teeth.
AIUI it is a long term condition were he needs lifelong treatment. He couldn't get the treatment in Pakistan - they didn't explain why but it may have been there wasn't an expert in his condition there (as the Surgeon said, we've got lots of immigrant medical staff here so that's possible)?!? If so multiple flights to/from UK to access private treatment may have not been financially viable compared to moving here. Fair play to them they are working and working hard, having given up that life of luxury. Personally I don't begrudge them that treatment as they are paying into the system.
I think there may be different rules in place for EU and non-EU immigrants. EU can come and go as they please (hence the French waitress earning a lot less than £35k a year).
The Somali family are in this country are neither asylum seekers nor economic migrants - they were living in France after fleeing Somalia but came to the UK to be close to the wife's family. If they obtained French citizenship I guess that makes them EU migrants.
Yes he came here in 2004 as an EU migrant, he left Somalia 21 years ago and claimed Political asylum in France.
So if peace breaks out in Somalia, will all the refuges from Somalia in the UK go home, even if they have been here years and become citizens etc.?
I don't see why a refugee should even have the right to apply for citizenship, that makes them a normal immigrant.
£18, 600 minimum income if you have no children, or about £70,000 in savings
The EU free movement rules should only apply to people born in the EU who have citizenship.
He was horrible, she was an absolute delight, lovely lady
That would never work. If you grant someone citizenship you afford them all of the rights of any other citizen: that's the whole point. The problem is citizenship is handed out too lightly. Captain Somalia exemplified that all too clearly; he didn't take French citizenship because he loved France and embraced French culture: he took it for personal gain.
Honestly, what a way to dehumanise people, by reducing them to two words - "gain" or "drain".
Horrible concept, crudely carried out.
You can find native Brits who talk about the country in the same way. Just take a trip to the Daily Mail site; many of the writers and readers hate Britain there.
And some of them decide to leave "Broken Britain" with all its immigration problems and move to France or Spain... when, oddly enough, they become immigrants.
And immigrants who often don't bother learning the language, stay within the British enclave, work au noir, order food online from British supermarkets* to be vanned down to them in the Dordogne, use British people to renovate their houses with materials sourced in the UK and, in short, with absolutely no self-awareness so no sense of the irony, become precisely the immigrant they'd "left Britain to get away from..."
* yes, really! There are small businesses who take in Asda orders (etc) and drive them down through France in refrigerated vans to fixed drop-off points.
Yes; my daughter and her husband live in Germany, near Wiesbaden, and every so often she and her husband (he's US Military) drive to the NATO base at Ramstein to stock up, particularly with British beer
Anyone who has more than 3 children is very ignorant of what over-population can do to a country, never mind the planet. The Cathoilic Church's inability to understand the importance of contraception in this day and age and to promote contraception is one of its biggest crimes. Whilst many western women have been taking control of their bodies for decades, it appears women in other cultures have yet to catch up. Let's hope this happens soon because the UK is tiny when compared to most other countries and it can't afford the kind if population boom that many third world countries have had.
exactly perter the root of all evil, why cant we all just live together happily
very sad really i think, we are all just flesh and blood
I used to shop on Ramstein base .... the PX and the Commissary, Happy Days.