Serving Soldier Sponsored Walk With EDL

sjp001 · 29/05/13 - 22:54

After turning down EDL leader Tommy Robinson's offer of a sponsored walk for Help The Heroes, serving soldier Lt Glen Hughes @glenhughes31 is replacing him. Robinson @EDLTrobinson claims he is walking with him. Surely Help The Heroes must not accept Glen Hughes sponsor money.

John146 · 29/05/13 - 23:02

sjp001 wrote: »

After turning down EDL leader Tommy Robinson's offer of a sponsored walk for Help The Heroes, serving soldier Lt Glen Hughes @glenhughes31 is replacing him. Robinson @EDLTrobinson claims he is walking with him. Surely Help The Heroes must not accept Glen Hughes sponsor money.

If Help for Heroes consider the EDL and it's organisation to be criminal in it's activities, then they should not accept any donations from them.

DinkyDoobie · 29/05/13 - 23:06

They said they dont accept money from political organisations or extremists, glen hughes is neither. That doesn't mean a political organisation or "extremists" can't raise awareness or promote what an individual is doing.

sjp001 · 29/05/13 - 23:10

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

They said they dont accept money from political organisations or extremists, glen hughes is neither. That doesn't mean a political organisation or "extremists" can't raise awareness or promote what an individual is doing.

Glen Hughes may be neither, but the EDL are doing this as a publicity stunt. Surely he could and should do this without any influence from the EDL.

LostFool · 29/05/13 - 23:11

John146 wrote: »

If Help for Heroes consider the EDL and it's organisation to be criminal in it's activities, then they should not accept any donations from them.

Even if they aren't criminal, HFH have the right to refuse donations from whoever they want but in the case of most individual donations they don't know anything about who gave the money.

psionic · 29/05/13 - 23:13

sjp001 wrote: »

After turning down EDL leader Tommy Robinson's offer of a sponsored walk for Help The Heroes, serving soldier Lt Glen Hughes @glenhughes31 is replacing him. Robinson @EDLTrobinson claims he is walking with him. Surely Help The Heroes must not accept Glen Hughes sponsor money.

Is it still only Westminster to Woolwich? Can't they at least make it much further?

sjp001 · 29/05/13 - 23:19

It will be very hypocritical of HTH to accept the money from Hughes after quite rightly refusing Robinson's money. Bad pr for them, revenge for EDL.

DinkyDoobie · 29/05/13 - 23:20

sjp001 wrote: »

Glen Hughes may be neither, but the EDL are doing this as a publicity stunt. Surely he could and should do this without any influence from the EDL.

They're doing it in response to a soldier being murdered and the money will go to a good cause. Should we ban all people whose views we dont agree with from raising money for charity?

sjp001 · 29/05/13 - 23:24

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

They're doing it in response to a soldier being murdered and the money will go to a good cause. Should we ban all people whose views we dont agree with from raising money for charity?

Your missing the point. They couldn't give 2 hoots about that soldier's family. They are out to help EDL. They will get plenty of donations elsewhere, they dont need money from racist yobs who are out to destroy Britain!

iamsofired · 29/05/13 - 23:26

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

They're doing it in response to a soldier being murdered and the money will go to a good cause. Should we ban all people whose views we dont agree with from raising money for charity?

"views we dont agree with" no
inciting racial hatred - absolutely.

sjp001 · 29/05/13 - 23:39

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

They're doing it in response to a soldier being murdered and the money will go to a good cause. Should we ban all people whose views we dont agree with from raising money for charity?

Apart from his hatred views, Robinson is a violent man, having served a prison sentence for assaulting an off duty police man. I would not want this man's money!

DinkyDoobie · 29/05/13 - 23:43

iamsofired wrote: »

"views we dont agree with" no
inciting racial hatred - absolutely.

They don't though, Islam isn't a race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URDdi60sg0Q

I'm so confused.

duckymallard · 29/05/13 - 23:48

Well Robinson's latest "cunning plan" may well also come to nowt;

MoD has said;

the Ministry of Defence told the Huffington Post UK serving soldiers could not be affiliated in fundraising endeavours with groups with a political agenda

LurkingGood · 29/05/13 - 23:49

Yes, of course they should accept money from a serving soldier doing a sponsored walk.

duckymallard · 29/05/13 - 23:55

LurkingGood wrote: »

Yes, of course they should accept money from a serving soldier doing a sponsored walk.

But he's not just "doing a sponsored walk" he's replacing a man who has been told not to fundraise for H4H - that same man will be accompanying the soldier, thus promoting his own agenda - namely the EDL.

jaceylacey · 29/05/13 - 23:58

LurkingGood wrote: »

Yes, of course they should accept money from a serving soldier doing a sponsored walk.

I agree.

DinkyDoobie · 29/05/13 - 23:59

duckymallard wrote: »

But he's not just "doing a sponsored walk" he's replacing a man who has been told not to fundraise for H4H - that same man will be accompanying the soldier, thus promoting his own agenda - namely the EDL.

That same man lives in a free country and can walk wherever he likes, if that involves following someone raising money for charity what are you going to do? lock him up? ban the both of them?

duckymallard · 30/05/13 - 00:06

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

That same man lives in a free country and can walk wherever he likes, if that involves following someone raising money for charity what are you going to do? lock him up? ban the both of them?

H4H have made their position perfectly clear they do not want any money associated with the EDL or any organisation with a political agenda.

The MoD have made their position perfectly clear also. Serving personnel are not permitted to affiliate with fundraising involving groups with a political agenda.

Might be a free a country - which means H4H are free to tell whoever they want to shove their money, however this soldier is subject to Army codes and could be in deep sh*t.

Do you think the EDL will pay the guy's mortgage etc, if he gets sacked whilst they get the free publicity?

GreatGodPan · 30/05/13 - 00:09

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

That same man lives in a free country and can walk wherever he likes, if that involves following someone raising money for charity what are you going to do? lock him up? ban the both of them?

No, but in the ensuing disciplinary hearing no doubt Lt. Hughes' suitability for his job would be considered.

duckymallard · 30/05/13 - 00:12

GreatGodPan wrote: »

No, but in the ensuing disciplinary hearing no doubt Lt. Hughes' suitability for his job would be considered.

BTW: EDL getting it wrong (again) - the man is not an officer - he's a staff sergeant.

DinkyDoobie · 30/05/13 - 00:15

duckymallard wrote: »

The MoD have made their position perfectly clear also. Serving personnel are not permitted to affiliate with fundraising involving groups with a political agenda.

That isn't what they said, they said serving soldiers cant take part in the affairs of a political organisation. EDL is not a political organisation and raising money for H4H isn't a political affair.

duckymallard · 30/05/13 - 00:18

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

That isn't what they said, they said serving soldiers cant take part in the affairs of a political organisation. EDL is not a political organisation and raising money for H4H isn't a political affair.

Go and read post #13 again. It's a direct quote from Huffington Post who spoke with the Mod.

GreatGodPan · 30/05/13 - 00:21

duckymallard wrote: »

BTW: EDL getting it wrong (again) - the man is not an officer - he's a staff sergeant.

Thanks. My point still stands, though.

DinkyDoobie · 30/05/13 - 00:21

duckymallard wrote: »

Go and read post #13 again. It's a direct quote from Huffington Post who spoke with the Mod.

Go and read the Huffington Post.

huffington post wrote:

"Regular Service personnel are not to take any active part in the affairs of any political organisation, party or movement and they are not to participate in political marches or demonstrations.

He isn't taking part in their affairs, he is raising money for charity.

GreatGodPan · 30/05/13 - 00:22

DinkyDoobie wrote: »

That isn't what they said, they said serving soldiers cant take part in the affairs of a political organisation. EDL is not a political organisation and raising money for H4H isn't a political affair.

The EDL is a far Right racist organisation whose aim is to promote religious hatred.

DinkyDoobie · 30/05/13 - 00:25

GreatGodPan wrote: »

The EDL is a far Right racist organisation whose aim is to promote religious hatred.

No they aren't, they are an organisation that is opposed to a particular form of religious extremism.

Hey there!

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