I genuinely can't help thinking a lot of the people who hate on Never Mind The Bollocks either haven't heard it or believe slagging it off makes them look like they know a lot more about music than they actually do. I'm not suggesting you are in this group by the way Soupietwist ;-)
Well I do own it and it's decent - but for me it's not even the best John Lydon album, let alone the best best rock album ever!
I do take your point about people slagging it off because it's cool to do so though - same thing has happened with 'Nevermind' - but I genuinely don't think 'NMTB' is all that!
Well I do own it and it's decent - but for me it's not even the best John Lydon album, let alone the best best rock album ever!
I do take your point about people slagging it off because it's cool to do so though - same thing has happened with 'Nevermind' - but I genuinely don't think 'NMTB' is all that!
I was gonna put Metal Box in myself but didn't know if I could have it as a 'rock' album
NMTB isn't the sort of album that's going to stand out to everyone. It's only recently that I have really started to love it despite having had it for years. My quote was a bit sweeping to be honest. I wasn't classing everyone who doesn't like it in the same boat at all. I just meant that a lot of people slag it because it's cool do so
Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden by Iron Maiden
Powerage by ACDC
In Rock by Deep Purple
Saints an Sinners by Whitesnake
Frontiers by Journey
Any of the first three Boston albums (can't choose between them)
Queen II by Queen
Live at Leeds by The Who
Although I wouldn't slag it off, I did feel at the time, that the whole Pistols thing was getting too commercialised by the time NMTB was released. I bought the white Spunk bootleg instead http://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Spunk/release/673946
ETA - Bloody hell....I've just noticed how much I could get for it
Yep, good call :cool:
well that's me selling my copy then. thanks for pointing this out
I'm certainly not saying everyone who doesn't like it is wrong or anything, I just think it's one of those albums that nearly everybody has a fairly strong opinion on. It's one of those albums that everybody has heard of and therefore it attracts more attention than most other albums. It's easy to see why it gets so much criticism in comparison to other punk albums as It seems every music fan has to have an opinion on it one way or the other due to how important it is deemed by the critics. Sgt Pepper is another example of this
I wonder how long before the London Calling backlash starts?
the clash made genuinely great records. I think a lot of the NMTB comments through history have more to do with something other than the music for music's sake. I don't think there will be a London calling backlash as it was never that big of a record, even if rolling stone rated it highly. I imagine a lot of people who go on about the pistols don't even own a copy of NMTB
as for sgt pepper, being a fan of the beatles, and the beach boys at that period, I consider rubber soul to be the best album, the one that inspired pet sounds, which inspired revolver, which inspired smile which could have been talked about like sgt pepper if it had came out on time. I think sgt pepper is over rated too. it might be ground breaking, but they were literally pissing about in the studio - mind so was brian Wilson during the smile sessions
I don't think any tracks are dud, but I actually enjoy Somewhere In Time.
I'd class 'Invaders' as a serious dud - certainly in context of being an opening track, 'Gangland' isn't much better either. Yup I like 'Somewhere' too (The title track is probably their most underrated song). Bruce appariently doesn't like it much - but I get the feeling that's because Steve threw out the songs Bruce wrote for that album and he's a little bitter!
I genuinely can't help thinking a lot of the people who hate on Never Mind The Bollocks either haven't heard it or believe slagging it off makes them look like they know a lot more about music than they actually do. I'm not suggesting you are in this group by the way Soupietwist ;-)
'Never Mind The Bollocks' is a truly special album not because of it's historical importance but because it leaves you in a state of disregard for everything and everyone. It's spirit lends you confidence and assurance. You feel inferior to no-one.
It's an easy album to slag off due to the whole circus of The Pistols but no other album leaves me feeling as positive as Never Mind The Bollocks does
I'm with you on that. And I felt the same way with The Clash's first album.
I do feel NMTB also has an historical and cultural significance as well.
And perhaps it did change a few peoples lives.
I love John Lydon and PiL as well. I considered 'Metal Box' but is that perhaps post-rock?
the clash made genuinely great records. I think a lot of the NMTB comments through history have more to do with something other than the music for music's sake. I don't think there will be a London calling backlash as it was never that big of a record, even if rolling stone rated it highly. I imagine a lot of people who go on about the pistols don't even own a copy of NMTB
as for sgt pepper, being a fan of the beatles, and the beach boys at that period, I consider rubber soul to be the best album, the one that inspired pet sounds, which inspired revolver, which inspired smile which could have been talked about like sgt pepper if it had came out on time. I think sgt pepper is over rated too. it might be ground breaking, but they were literally pissing about in the studio - mind so was brian Wilson during the smile sessions
I don't think Pepper would make my top 5 Beatles albums to be honest. For me 'Pet Sounds' was the peak of people pissing about in the studio with Revolver close behind it
Led Zeppelin I or IV certainly stake a claim as the most influential - as well as being damn good albums in their own right.
AC/DC's Back in Black is a fantastic shout for being perhaps the quintessential stripped back rock album. No bullshit, just great rock tracks from start to finish.
But, for me, Guns N' Roses Appetite For Destruction remains unmatched to this day. Those first six tracks just blew me away the first time I heard them; the energy, the talent, the solos, the riffs, the vocals, the melodies...it is the complete package. Yes, after track 6 it loses a little something, but that is more than made up for the presence of Sweet Child O'Mine as track 9, and of course Rocket Queen as the album closer.
I don't think Pepper would make my top 5 Beatles albums to be honest. For me 'Pet Sounds' was the peak of people pissing about in the studio with Revolver close behind it
Apart from the costs I'm not sure what's wrong with pissing about in the studio? It seems to be a rather creative process if Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds emerged.
And I like 'The White Album' when it comes to The Beatles.
I'd class 'Invaders' as a serious dud - certainly in context of being an opening track, 'Gangland' isn't much better either. Yup I like 'Somewhere' too (The title track is probably their most underrated song). Bruce appariently doesn't like it much - but I get the feeling that's because Steve threw out the songs Bruce wrote for that album and he's a little bitter!
Even the band do not really like the song Invaders. It was on there because they had nothing left to go on the album. They even say that Total Eclipse should have been on the album instead of Gangland.
I think the album would have benefited in having Number of The Beast as the opening track.
Apart from the costs I'm not sure what's wrong with pissing about in the studio? It seems to be a rather creative process if Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds emerged.
And I like 'The White Album' when it comes to The Beatles.
It wasn't meant to be an insult. Pissing about with things is often how great music is born
Can't believe people are calling 'Never Mind The Bollocks' one of the best rock albums of all time - then I remember this is the Digital Spy music forum
Perhaps because there isn't a single duff track on it?
I wonder how long before the London Calling backlash starts?
I will if you like but it isn't a backlash, because apart from the track London's Calling itself, I detested everything they did. Most of that was down to Joe Strummer's voice though. That gave me such earache that I never listened long enough to pay attention to the instrumentals. I also had problems with Strummer's image; he always looked like somebody's embarrassing older brother trying to pretend he was a punk.
Accept - I'm A Rebel, Balls To The Wall
Judas Priest - British Steel
AC/DC - Back In Black
Rainbow - Rising, Ritchie Blackmore's, Down To Earth
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden, The Number Of The Beast
Rock seems to cover pretty much any type of music these days, it's a bit meaningless as a genre. Why am I not surprised to see the same 20 or so clichéd albums popping up every time. Obviously, they're hugely popular. Cock rock, middle of the road dad rock- the type of music you'd find on an 'anthems' collection for fathers day, the type of stuff that you'd hear on radio 2 from time to time, if they want to seem edgy, when they aren't really being edgy, or maybe a band you'd see a documentary about on bbc four, with a load of middle aged z-listers talking about their impact on the scene. In short, I can't pick 10 albums because it depends on what sort of mood I'm in, and it's not the only type of music I like. I know I sound pretentious, because I am.
I don't think Pepper would make my top 5 Beatles albums to be honest. For me 'Pet Sounds' was the peak of people pissing about in the studio with Revolver close behind it
are you aware of what both bands did in the studio for each of those albums? pet sounds wasn't mucking about in the studio, but they did with smile, such as the infamous fireman sessions where they ended up burning a tape. same with pepper, they pissed about a bit, but they didn't do this as much with revolver
smile sessions were full of pissing about like recording the sounds of eating vegetables. pet sounds was a very different thing, trying to perfect the track. have you listened to any of the tapes of studio sessions from these albums? there are take after take of pet sounds tracks and all sorts of stuff from smile
Well I do own it and it's decent - but for me it's not even the best John Lydon album, let alone the best best rock album ever!
I've always liked John Lydon and find PIL an admirable anti-commercial stance. I really, really want to like PIL, but when it comes down to it I really struggle with 90 per cent of what they do. I remember when Andrew Graham-Dixon put together a programme about Lydon, he described how when he first played Metal Box it seemed the most weird and wonderful thing he'd ever heard. Then he realised he was playing it at the wrong speed
There was a strong live studio performance by PIL which I think was Religion - I'm sure it's on YouTube somewhere. I could never listen to an entire album though. It reminds me of the way in which many people used to own Captain Beefheart albums but never play them. Just having records like that in your collection marks you down as a bit of a radical or a maverick.
Anyway, I nominate the first Generation X album to the rock record hall of fame. An explosive burst of raw energy with searing guitar and cracking tunes.
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Well I do own it and it's decent - but for me it's not even the best John Lydon album, let alone the best best rock album ever!
I do take your point about people slagging it off because it's cool to do so though - same thing has happened with 'Nevermind' - but I genuinely don't think 'NMTB' is all that!
I'd go with Seventh Son or Powerslave over NOTB as that album has a couple of dud tracks.
I was gonna put Metal Box in myself but didn't know if I could have it as a 'rock' album
NMTB isn't the sort of album that's going to stand out to everyone. It's only recently that I have really started to love it despite having had it for years. My quote was a bit sweeping to be honest. I wasn't classing everyone who doesn't like it in the same boat at all. I just meant that a lot of people slag it because it's cool do so
That's not even ACDC's best album
Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden by Iron Maiden
Powerage by ACDC
In Rock by Deep Purple
Saints an Sinners by Whitesnake
Frontiers by Journey
Any of the first three Boston albums (can't choose between them)
Queen II by Queen
Live at Leeds by The Who
Can't think of anymore right now
well that's me selling my copy then. thanks for pointing this out
I don't think any tracks are dud, but I actually enjoy Somewhere In Time.
the clash made genuinely great records. I think a lot of the NMTB comments through history have more to do with something other than the music for music's sake. I don't think there will be a London calling backlash as it was never that big of a record, even if rolling stone rated it highly. I imagine a lot of people who go on about the pistols don't even own a copy of NMTB
as for sgt pepper, being a fan of the beatles, and the beach boys at that period, I consider rubber soul to be the best album, the one that inspired pet sounds, which inspired revolver, which inspired smile which could have been talked about like sgt pepper if it had came out on time. I think sgt pepper is over rated too. it might be ground breaking, but they were literally pissing about in the studio - mind so was brian Wilson during the smile sessions
I'm seriously considering it myself. I also have this http://www.discogs.com/Stooges-Fun-House/release/1352562 (although I'm not sure I'd sell it)
I'd class 'Invaders' as a serious dud - certainly in context of being an opening track, 'Gangland' isn't much better either. Yup I like 'Somewhere' too (The title track is probably their most underrated song). Bruce appariently doesn't like it much - but I get the feeling that's because Steve threw out the songs Bruce wrote for that album and he's a little bitter!
I'm with you on that. And I felt the same way with The Clash's first album.
I do feel NMTB also has an historical and cultural significance as well.
And perhaps it did change a few peoples lives.
I love John Lydon and PiL as well. I considered 'Metal Box' but is that perhaps post-rock?
I don't think Pepper would make my top 5 Beatles albums to be honest. For me 'Pet Sounds' was the peak of people pissing about in the studio with Revolver close behind it
Led Zeppelin I or IV certainly stake a claim as the most influential - as well as being damn good albums in their own right.
AC/DC's Back in Black is a fantastic shout for being perhaps the quintessential stripped back rock album. No bullshit, just great rock tracks from start to finish.
But, for me, Guns N' Roses Appetite For Destruction remains unmatched to this day. Those first six tracks just blew me away the first time I heard them; the energy, the talent, the solos, the riffs, the vocals, the melodies...it is the complete package. Yes, after track 6 it loses a little something, but that is more than made up for the presence of Sweet Child O'Mine as track 9, and of course Rocket Queen as the album closer.
Apart from the costs I'm not sure what's wrong with pissing about in the studio? It seems to be a rather creative process if Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds emerged.
And I like 'The White Album' when it comes to The Beatles.
Even the band do not really like the song Invaders. It was on there because they had nothing left to go on the album. They even say that Total Eclipse should have been on the album instead of Gangland.
I think the album would have benefited in having Number of The Beast as the opening track.
It wasn't meant to be an insult. Pissing about with things is often how great music is born
Judas Priest - British Steel
AC/DC - Back In Black
Rainbow - Rising, Ritchie Blackmore's, Down To Earth
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden, The Number Of The Beast
are you aware of what both bands did in the studio for each of those albums? pet sounds wasn't mucking about in the studio, but they did with smile, such as the infamous fireman sessions where they ended up burning a tape. same with pepper, they pissed about a bit, but they didn't do this as much with revolver
smile sessions were full of pissing about like recording the sounds of eating vegetables. pet sounds was a very different thing, trying to perfect the track. have you listened to any of the tapes of studio sessions from these albums? there are take after take of pet sounds tracks and all sorts of stuff from smile
Radiohead - The Bends
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
R.E.M. - Document
Biffy Clyro - Puzzle
Dire Straits - Making Movies
The Doors - The Doors
Hard/rock Metal ..Black Sabbath Paranoid.
Progressive rock...Pink Floyd, DSOTM.
Soft rock. The Strawbs Grave New World.
Punk Rock. Ramones Leave Home.
Pearl Jam - Ten.
The Boss - Born to Run/Darkness on the Edge of Town.
There was a strong live studio performance by PIL which I think was Religion - I'm sure it's on YouTube somewhere. I could never listen to an entire album though. It reminds me of the way in which many people used to own Captain Beefheart albums but never play them. Just having records like that in your collection marks you down as a bit of a radical or a maverick.
Anyway, I nominate the first Generation X album to the rock record hall of fame. An explosive burst of raw energy with searing guitar and cracking tunes.