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A thread from the UK section.
I wonder if people prefer one or the other. Anyone like both? If I'm right then it wasn't fair to only have this thread in the UK section.
I finally gave up on Sherlock after watching episode 1 of the new series. But that was really only out of loyalty having watched the previous series'. It's very King's New Clothes for me - when I see reviewers calling it adult tv that's multi layered I think: so you didn't really understand it either.
Elementary I find the more I watch it the more I enjoy it. Well told stories with a great dynamic between the characters. Watson in particular is excellent.
candyfloss2000 wrote: »Anyone else? Im a fan of the BBC sherlock and i just can't accept a female 'watson'. Why? Do they do this? Sherlock and watson are fine as they are. Plus, the guy who plays sherlock in the american production is nothing more than an unoriginal try-hard actor who can't believe his luck anyone actually considered him good enough to be a lead.
Totally awful idea.
I wonder if people prefer one or the other. Anyone like both? If I'm right then it wasn't fair to only have this thread in the UK section.
I finally gave up on Sherlock after watching episode 1 of the new series. But that was really only out of loyalty having watched the previous series'. It's very King's New Clothes for me - when I see reviewers calling it adult tv that's multi layered I think: so you didn't really understand it either.
Elementary I find the more I watch it the more I enjoy it. Well told stories with a great dynamic between the characters. Watson in particular is excellent.
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But when I watched the first episode of Elementary I was impressed and even changing Watsons gender didn't phase me, Lucy Liu does a cracking job as Joan Watson. To be fair I'm not a massive fan of Jonny Lee Miller but even he's won me over with his version of Holmes.
I don't have the channel which shows Elementary, so I can't really comment on that properly. However, someone on the other thread said that it's a bit like The Mentalist, which I used to enjoy. But as with all of that type of "procedural" show I eventually got bored. The characters were good, but felt a bit repetitive to me eventually.
I think I am probably the same with all shows like that, so not a criticism as such (as I haven't seen it!) but I'd love the chance to see one episode of Elementary, just to get the general flavour of it.:)
Agreed. What they did with Moriarty and Irene Adler was pretty brilliant.
Pretty patronising. Just because you don't understand it or like it you presume the people that do are kidding themselves.
It was a great twist and the actor pulls it off superbly.
The U.S.A version for me is perfect to sit down and just switch off and enjoy some good acting and writting. Yes I was against a female Watson and more so when I heard who got the part but then again I was the same when they cast Watson in Sherlock. But both have worked out very well
No, but a lot of fans think it is there
That really is fascinating. You see other people appreciating the depth they perceived in something but because you couldn't work it out and didn't even have the patience to *try* (watching the next two episodes means you'll have seen the full series and will finally be able to comment on it as a complete work) you just dismiss their opinions as nonsense ramblings from people who also didn't understand it.
So basically: you are the only person in the world that matters, and nobody is cleverer than you, therefore why do they lie and claim they are?
Brilliant!
Nailed it.
We do like both. But feel that the Serlock of Elementary is far more realistic, and slightly better acted. There is something distinctly abnormal about Johnny Lee Millar's interpretation, but in a way we can believe would be possible, and his character is strangely endearing. Benedict Cumberbatch, on the other hand, is so totally aloof and untouchable, his take on the character is much harder to empathise with, or believe in for that matter.
Martin freeman's Watson, is much better than Lucy Li's Watson, probably because he's a) a better actor, and b) a man. We can see why they chose her, and the twist intended does work to some extent. But, the fact reamins that Dr Watson was never supposed to be woman. So it's a bit like recasting Wonder Woman as a big hairy bloke!
Couldn't disagree more, I thought it was silly, especially the way Moriarty was caught in the end. I actually thought it was a real low point and I almost didn't watch series 2 as a result. I also don't like what they've done to Lestrade or Mycroft.
I enjoy Elementary although I find JLM portraying Holmes as an overgrown toddler to be grating at times. The revelation of the series has been Lucy Liu as Watson. What was probably a gimmick has worked out very well. I prefer Sherlock though despite its shortcomings.
On the plus side, I do think all four main actors are fantastic though and have the right performances for their Sherlock universe.
No, I don't think it does, because it is not that kind of show, and its legitimacy (in other words, the reason it is NOT a "rip-off" of Sherlock like so many Sherlock fans foolishly insist) is that it is a true detective show with its feet much more firmly planted in the real world than the BBC's Sherlock. Moffat has now gone on record insisting that Sherlock is not a detective show, and he is right. A Sherlock episode is like a Batman film mixed with a screwball comedy. If The Joker, The Penguin, The Riddler, or Catwoman showed up in Sherlock, scarcely anybody would blink an eye. Hell, Sherlock's crazed Moriarty practically fits right in with that lot. And I can absolutely enjoy such a novel take on the Sherlock Holmes mythos -- damn the purists. But Elementary is wisely not copying that approach.
Martins Watson has always been played as an out of his depth innocent, while Elementary is showing Lucy as more of a Sherlock "in training". I also loved the way they played the Moriarty card in Elementary, and in Sherlock the way M "died" at the end of series 2.
I tried, i really did with the US incarnation but it's very much the ugly member of the family.
I actually like the casting of Lucy Liu as Watson & think she plays the role very well, JLM must have thought all his Christmases had come at once bagging this role.....
I think the writing is dumbed-down in comparison on the whole.