I was never going to use Ubuntu as a serious OS - it was just something to play with. the fact is there is a driver BUT command line is still needed according to the Ubuntu forum. I could do it but I just can't be bothered. I think things this shows that for most people Linux is going to be no go area which is a shame as it has many things to be commended.
I think things this shows that for most people Linux is going to be no go area which is a shame as it has many things to be commended.
I think you'll find most people won't be buying the same hardware as you. I've tried ubuntu and other linux distro's on many laptops and desktops, all without problems, perhaps this too could be the experience for most people.
I was never going to use Ubuntu as a serious OS - it was just something to play with. the fact is there is a driver BUT command line is still needed according to the Ubuntu forum. I could do it but I just can't be bothered. I think things this shows that for most people Linux is going to be no go area which is a shame as it has many things to be commended.
There may be a way to do it in the GUI but giving instructions to issue command line prompts is a lot easier.
I do suspect though you have a machine that isn't designed to work out the box with Ubuntu and these kind people on the Ubuntu forum are offering a work around for this. Linux is great like that it often offers a way to do something that you is at best unlikely.
There may be a way to do it in the GUI but giving instructions to issue command line prompts is a lot easier.
Your average clueless PC user is not going to be fixing their computer by typing into a command line, they'd take one look at the instructions, never mind the actual terminal itself and run, screaming, away.
Your average clueless PC user is not going to be fixing their computer by typing into a command line, they'd take one look at the instructions, never mind the actual terminal itself and run, screaming, away.
We're talking hobbiests here not average users. Your average clueless computer user won't even attempt to install an operating system onto a computer that didn't have it already particularly without assistance of a techie.
There's plenty of GUI orientated documentation for people who have fully supported hardware, if you're trying to do something unsupported on any operating the command line is your friend even on Windows.
Your average clueless PC user is not going to be fixing their computer by typing into a command line, they'd take one look at the instructions, never mind the actual terminal itself and run, screaming, away.
so theyd rather fix their computer by typing codes into the registry?
Finally got round to swapping hard discs on my laptops and my old Fujitsu Lifebook ended up with a wopping 60 gb. So I also took the opportunity to install Ubuntu 10.10 as a dual boot with XP. Yes it does seem fast and I am quite impressed. However, and I may be wrong about this, the laptop has a N dongle to connect to wifi and the only way it seems I can configre it is command line. Well I'm sorry but I do enjoy rooting phones and installing new roms on them but I not going to start messing round with command lines just to get something 'normal' to happen. I will keep Ubuntu there and use it wired as I sometimes need Linux for moding Android stuff but really this is 2011 and this should not be.
Hi finbaar, I think you should take a look at this link to maybe help you with your frustration - Linux is NOT Windows
so theyd rather fix their computer by typing codes into the registry?
The registry may be a major weak point of Windows, but it is vastly easier to go fixing things in there, than it is to open a Terminal up and start typing away a variety of commands, options & parameters.
In fact, I can't think of a single reason why the average user would need to even look at the registry, most GUI tools can fix any registry-related issues.
Hi finbaar, I think you should take a look at this link to maybe help you with your frustration - Linux is NOT Windows
I had fun reading that article, thanks. The thing is that although I could make the wifi dongle work - there is plenty of stuff in forums - by using command line prompts I just can't be bothered. I wont get a pay back for my time invested as if I do need to use Linux I will just plug in a cable to the old laptop. Linux for me will be useful tool when (if) I need to hack my Humax PVR or play about with Android ROMs on my Orange SF. Yes Linux is not Windows and it is not for me but I can see why many would like it.
I had fun reading that article, thanks. The thing is that although I could make the wifi dongle work - there is plenty of stuff in forums - by using command line prompts I just can't be bothered. I wont get a pay back for my time invested as if I do need to use Linux I will just plug in a cable to the old laptop. Linux for me will be useful tool when (if) I need to hack my Humax PVR or play about with Android ROMs on my Orange SF. Yes Linux is not Windows and it is not for me but I can see why many would like it.
Glad you found it entertaining. However, I think you're missing out on the real fun by giving up on fixing Linux for your wireless dongle - getting pay back in the form of satisfaction when it works, and learning something new will give you payback aplenty, in my experience...
Been using Ubuntu for years now, but I am getting to the point where I think I'm going to have to hop to another distro. Ubuntu's Gnome is driving me crackers of late. It's so buggy and messy, and I tire of wiping its butt all the time. Can anyone recommend a really strong KDE distro that has a 64 bit version? Doesn't have to be one of the big names. Thanks.
Been using Ubuntu for years now, but I am getting to the point where I think I'm going to have to hop to another distro. Ubuntu's Gnome is driving me crackers of late. It's so buggy and messy, and I tire of wiping its butt all the time. Can anyone recommend a really strong KDE distro that has a 64 bit version? Doesn't have to be one of the big names. Thanks.
Thats because there to busy messing about with Gnome shell http://gnome3.org/
To worry about Gnome as it is
Im also doing a bit of distro hoping, (been using Gnome for years) but don't like the look of new Gnome shell. Read that its going to be the default in the next release of Ubuntu!
Have found that Mint are experimenting with a Debian release http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604
Been using it for a few weeks, seems ok. the Mint team only do http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1495
But think thats based on Kubuntu?
But the Mint blog say they are to release a Debian based KDE version soon
Scroll down to the 'Summary' section...http://blog.linuxmint.com/
Been through a few in my time.
I think my first encounter was with a SUSE Live CD that was on a cover of a pc mag. I ran like a dog on the PC I had at the time but it was nice to play with something different.
The first distro I ever installed on my PC was Mandrake 8.2 and I had that for a while, but it was outdated even when I got it as I picked it up from CD's that were sitting around at work.
I think I briefly replaced mandrake with an early version of PCLinuxOS.
After that I started installing distros from live CD's
Knoppix
Morphix
Mepis
I stuck with Mepis for quite a while before moving to Kubuntu and I've been on that for a good few years now.
Back in the day Mandrake and other RPM based distros really were hell to install stuff on. I know that has improved now but I really have a soft spot for debian based distros since then.
Linux has improved hugely in the 10 years or so I've been using it. These days everything is simple to install, update rarely break anything and everything just works.
I'm surprised every time I upgrade ubuntu to the latest version that the update runs and everything works. Used to be the case where you would need a day or so of debugging and fixing stuff that broke during upgrades. It just doesn't happen now. Obviously that's a good thing, but it does take some of the fun out of it
Been using Ubuntu for years now, but I am getting to the point where I think I'm going to have to hop to another distro. Ubuntu's Gnome is driving me crackers of late. It's so buggy and messy, and I tire of wiping its butt all the time. Can anyone recommend a really strong KDE distro that has a 64 bit version? Doesn't have to be one of the big names. Thanks.
Thats because there to busy messing about with Gnome shell http://gnome3.org/
To worry about Gnome as it is
I suspect you're absolutely right. Either way, I'm not happy. Gnome has become a complete mess with Ubuntu of late for me. :mad:
I had no idea though, that the Mint team were planning a KDE version of their take on Debian. That really is interesting and I will deffo be keeping an eye out for it. Thanks for the heads up.
Slackware or Gentoo, wouldnt that be a bit of a jump\change\shock for someone thats used to using Ubuntu!
Ahh good old Sabayon, do they still play the mad rock songs whilst the OS is installing? :)
It's been a while but they did last time. Who else but a Linux developer would think to provide entertainment whilst you're waiting? With Mint you get an instructional slide show too.:cool:
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I think you'll find most people won't be buying the same hardware as you. I've tried ubuntu and other linux distro's on many laptops and desktops, all without problems, perhaps this too could be the experience for most people.
I'd be looking for the best Linux OS for automatic installation of various hardware drivers and an interface most resembling Windows.
I know, I could just download, burn and install, but I'd like feedback from forum users.
Thanks.
PClinuxOS is a good all round choice or driver support, and is good for someone coming from widows as it has a similar interface.
http://www.pclinuxos.com/
It recognised all my hardware right out of the box, on any computer I flung it at.
There may be a way to do it in the GUI but giving instructions to issue command line prompts is a lot easier.
I do suspect though you have a machine that isn't designed to work out the box with Ubuntu and these kind people on the Ubuntu forum are offering a work around for this. Linux is great like that it often offers a way to do something that you is at best unlikely.
Mint! I never got on with PCOSLinux although clearly others do.
Your average clueless PC user is not going to be fixing their computer by typing into a command line, they'd take one look at the instructions, never mind the actual terminal itself and run, screaming, away.
We're talking hobbiests here not average users. Your average clueless computer user won't even attempt to install an operating system onto a computer that didn't have it already particularly without assistance of a techie.
There's plenty of GUI orientated documentation for people who have fully supported hardware, if you're trying to do something unsupported on any operating the command line is your friend even on Windows.
Hi finbaar, I think you should take a look at this link to maybe help you with your frustration - Linux is NOT Windows
i used PCBSD That seemed ok
and wouldn't mind trying Jolicloud
and wish there was a fully working free Xandros
Thank you for the feedback. I'll try and give both a go.
The registry may be a major weak point of Windows, but it is vastly easier to go fixing things in there, than it is to open a Terminal up and start typing away a variety of commands, options & parameters.
In fact, I can't think of a single reason why the average user would need to even look at the registry, most GUI tools can fix any registry-related issues.
I had fun reading that article, thanks. The thing is that although I could make the wifi dongle work - there is plenty of stuff in forums - by using command line prompts I just can't be bothered. I wont get a pay back for my time invested as if I do need to use Linux I will just plug in a cable to the old laptop. Linux for me will be useful tool when (if) I need to hack my Humax PVR or play about with Android ROMs on my Orange SF. Yes Linux is not Windows and it is not for me but I can see why many would like it.
Glad you found it entertaining. However, I think you're missing out on the real fun by giving up on fixing Linux for your wireless dongle - getting pay back in the form of satisfaction when it works, and learning something new will give you payback aplenty, in my experience...
Thats because there to busy messing about with Gnome shell
http://gnome3.org/
To worry about Gnome as it is
Im also doing a bit of distro hoping, (been using Gnome for years) but don't like the look of new Gnome shell. Read that its going to be the default in the next release of Ubuntu!
Have found that Mint are experimenting with a Debian release
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604
Been using it for a few weeks, seems ok. the Mint team only do
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1495
But think thats based on Kubuntu?
But the Mint blog say they are to release a Debian based KDE version soon
Scroll down to the 'Summary' section...http://blog.linuxmint.com/
I think my first encounter was with a SUSE Live CD that was on a cover of a pc mag. I ran like a dog on the PC I had at the time but it was nice to play with something different.
The first distro I ever installed on my PC was Mandrake 8.2 and I had that for a while, but it was outdated even when I got it as I picked it up from CD's that were sitting around at work.
I think I briefly replaced mandrake with an early version of PCLinuxOS.
After that I started installing distros from live CD's
Knoppix
Morphix
Mepis
I stuck with Mepis for quite a while before moving to Kubuntu and I've been on that for a good few years now.
Back in the day Mandrake and other RPM based distros really were hell to install stuff on. I know that has improved now but I really have a soft spot for debian based distros since then.
Linux has improved hugely in the 10 years or so I've been using it. These days everything is simple to install, update rarely break anything and everything just works.
I'm surprised every time I upgrade ubuntu to the latest version that the update runs and everything works. Used to be the case where you would need a day or so of debugging and fixing stuff that broke during upgrades. It just doesn't happen now. Obviously that's a good thing, but it does take some of the fun out of it
OpenSuse would be a good choice.
Failing that, either Slackware or Gentoo!
I suspect you're absolutely right. Either way, I'm not happy. Gnome has become a complete mess with Ubuntu of late for me. :mad:
I had no idea though, that the Mint team were planning a KDE version of their take on Debian. That really is interesting and I will deffo be keeping an eye out for it. Thanks for the heads up.
Slackware or Gentoo, wouldnt that be a bit of a jump\change\shock for someone thats used to using Ubuntu!
Ahh good old Sabayon, do they still play the mad rock songs whilst the OS is installing?
It's been a while but they did last time. Who else but a Linux developer would think to provide entertainment whilst you're waiting? With Mint you get an instructional slide show too.:cool: