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How could they fall for a honey trap?

LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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While not in the same league as the classic honey traps used by the USSR during the Cold War, that's what the Torygraph did to the Lib Dems.

How can people who fall for something like this be trusted to run the country? Anyone who works in a job that entails handling classified material has a briefing where such tactics are covered. Surely politicians get similar training? If not then they definitely need it!

David Laws was just as bad, what with being so desperate to keep his personal life secret from his family (or so he claimed) that he was willing to put in rather dodgy expenses claims. Perfect material for a foreign power to use in a blackmail attempt.

Perhaps better checks need to be run on MPs before they are allowed to take up cabinet positions?
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    Analogue110Analogue110 Posts: 3,817
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    You have to see it from the Lib-Dem point of view. Having been in opposition for so long and having to fight for any real press coverage, being used to spilling everything to anyone who would listen, they now find themselves in government being indiscreet.
    Its about time Clegg pulled his finger out and came down hard on any Lib-Dem minister who does not tow the government line when speaking to strangers in their surgery's
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    You have to see it from the Lib-Dem point of view. Having been in opposition for so long and having to fight for any real press coverage, being used to spilling everything to anyone who would listen, they now find themselves in government being indiscreet.
    Its about time Clegg pulled his finger out and came down hard on any Lib-Dem minister who does not tow the government line when speaking to strangers in their surgery's

    Given that such discussions are generally considered to be private, how exactly could any political leader enforce such a disciplinary policy?
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    DavidCHDavidCH Posts: 2,026
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    MP's tend to be spods, that makes them slightly lacking in common sense.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    DavidCH wrote: »
    MP's tend to be spods, that makes them slightly lacking in common sense.

    Spods? Wow, I thought that term had fallen out of use... :D

    But I think you have a point - the expenses incident showed a failure of judgement on the part of a significant number of MPs. And on the issue of confidential discussions held in constituency surgeries, there may be quite a few MPs of all parties there thinking "There but for the grace of God..."
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    Miasima GoriaMiasima Goria Posts: 5,188
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    Honey trap? Didn't know there was a sexual element to the story. :eek:
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    Analogue110Analogue110 Posts: 3,817
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    mithy73 wrote: »
    Given that such discussions are generally considered to be private, how exactly could any political leader enforce such a disciplinary policy?

    I would have thought that the present position of Cable has blown that idea right out of the water
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    I would have thought that the present position of Cable has blown that idea right out of the water

    Does the existence of phone taps mean that people don't generally expect phone conversations to be private? I don't think so.
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    Analogue110Analogue110 Posts: 3,817
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    All Cable had to do was say that this issue was under consideration and leave it at that, whether on the phone or to anyone in person
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    All Cable had to do was say that this issue was under consideration and leave it at that, whether on the phone or to anyone in person

    That's a fairly evasive response. Do you accept the point that such conversations are generally considered to be private? As such, how could any political leader enforce such a disciplinary policy?
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    edExedEx Posts: 13,460
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    Politicians tend to be very pompous individuals that like nothing better than talking about how great they are. The "Honey Trap" will always work for this reason, regardless of party.
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    Analogue110Analogue110 Posts: 3,817
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    mithy73 wrote: »
    That's a fairly evasive response. Do you accept the point that such conversations are generally considered to be private? As such, how could any political leader enforce such a disciplinary policy?

    Ah with you. I should have added "if they get caught" I think it is four at the moment who have been.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    It's the same thing which happened to Lord Triesman, then chairman of the FA, was caught in a honey trap by the Mail on Sunday.

    I suppose it's the oldest story in the book. A man will say anything (true or not) to impress a pretty girl.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    Ah with you. I should have added "if they get caught"

    Ah ok. Makes sense now. :)
    I think it is four at the moment who have been.

    True, though from what I can tell (so far; as with yesterday, opinion subject to change as facts do) the latest three are small beer - not enough to cause any ructions.
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    While not in the same league as the classic honey traps used by the USSR during the Cold War, that's what the Torygraph did to the Lib Dems.

    How can people who fall for something like this be trusted to run the country? Anyone who works in a job that entails handling classified material has a briefing where such tactics are covered. Surely politicians get similar training? If not then they definitely need it!

    David Laws was just as bad, what with being so desperate to keep his personal life secret from his family (or so he claimed) that he was willing to put in rather dodgy expenses claims. Perfect material for a foreign power to use in a blackmail attempt.

    Perhaps better checks need to be run on MPs before they are allowed to take up cabinet positions?

    I had always assumed that when a constituent booked an appointment to see their M.P. they identified themselves.

    When I made an appointment to see my M.P. I gave my name and address and a brief outline of what I wanted to see my M.P. about. So when I arrived at my appointment my M.P. had done some work on my problem, knew my road well, knew what sort of problems were common in my area etc. I would not have been seen by my M.P. without an appointment.
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    According to Norman Baker the journalists did this - but the address and the reason for the appointment were a cover. A couple of determined liars.
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    You_moYou_mo Posts: 11,334
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    Hind sight is wonderful. It's pretty crap but it's safer to assume now that everyone you meet is a lying impersonator out to shaft you. Especially giggly blondes with leading questions!
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    apaul wrote: »
    According to Norman Baker the journalists did this - but the address and the reason for the appointment were a cover. A couple of determined liars.

    Really? Nasty people then.:(
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    You_mo wrote: »
    Hind sight is wonderful. It's pretty crap but it's safer to assume now that everyone you meet is a lying impersonator out to shaft you. Especially giggly blondes with leading questions!

    There was a telling point in the recording where one of the giggling girls said "...I thought he already owned BSkyB...er.. I mean Sky...giggle...."

    Would a giggly blonde really refer to Sky by it's proper name of BSkyB? She immediately realised her slip into media talk and corrected herself.
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    jswift909jswift909 Posts: 11,360
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    apaul wrote: »
    According to Norman Baker the journalists did this - but the address and the reason for the appointment were a cover. A couple of determined liars.

    Sir, you are a cad. How dare you suggest these honerable journos could do anything so despicable as lie.:eek: They work for one of the oldest, most prestigious, respected, gloriously honest gentlemans' newspapers in the land, possibly the world. :D

    To suggest they had "a cunning plan" is abhorrent to me :p
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    Toby LatimerToby Latimer Posts: 4,095
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    I for one am looking forward to Vinnie's appearance on 'Strictly Come Dancing' . ''Of course I screwed up , Now watch this paso doble' "
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    BBTweetsBBTweets Posts: 12,699
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    LostFool wrote: »
    There was a telling point in the recording where one of the giggling girls said "...I thought he already owned BSkyB...er.. I mean Sky...giggle...."

    Would a giggly blonde really refer to Sky by it's proper name of BSkyB? She immediately realised her slip into media talk and corrected herself.

    I can't believe that Cable didn't rumble them immediately. Considering they were supposed to be in there discussing 'benefit cuts', why on earth would he think these women would want to know anything about Rupert Murdoch?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    Flattery always works!

    (even with those who say it has no effect on them)
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    MandarkMandark Posts: 47,965
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    Windy999 wrote: »
    Flattery always works!

    (even with those who say it has no effect on them)
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    Yep, works on me!! :D
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,999
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    Breaking news the BBC have sold Strictly Come Dancing to Sky just in time for Xmas.
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    MandarkMandark Posts: 47,965
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    edEx wrote: »
    Politicians tend to be very pompous individuals that like nothing better than talking about how great they are. The "Honey Trap" will always work for this reason, regardless of party.
    This is the difference between politicians and local government officers. Local government officers are generally ultra cautious when dealing with the public. And you wouldn't get too chatty with pretty girls as you'd worry they'd report you for improper behaviour. With politicians, every one of them likes to act like they're the boss!
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