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I'm an ethnic minority but I like Ron
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Sure he says some silly things, but he seems like a nice guy. I don't think he means the 'racist' things he says, it's just the way people talked 70 years ago. I know, it doesn't excuse it, but it does provide a reason for a it, and I don't get the impression the reason is malice
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The fact is, however, that NOBODY I've ever known applies the benefit-of-the-doubt consistently or anything like it.
So in practice it's just another excuse for people to be biased in their judgements of others.
This made me genuinely laugh out loud at my desk!
Bit patronizing don't you think? If OP, being of an ethnic minority, see's no offense .... why should you have an issue with that?
DS is on form today!
Its the way people still talk today - its just people are a bit more wary of who and when they say things
i can guarantee - what Ron said or similar has been said 100s of 1000s of times over recent years
When things are shown in the media - people talk about it and things get said - its not a racist thing - its just a way of expressing fear, misunderstanding etc
For example - after the london bombings - did i look at my asian friends with distrust - No - did i look at asians on my train with rucksacks with distrust - of course - who wouldnt
i expect they were all nice guys - but fear makes us do things we wouldnt normally do
edit - before anyone starts - i mean asian looking - i know they were from the UK - see how easy it is
Whoooosh!
It was a joke, wasn't it ?
I'm very tired
I'll step away with you as I thought you were joking too / adding to the joke!! Oops!
No hope for us DS'ers
I did too.
Racism is a problem in our society but a bigger problem is the insidious taking over of our thoughts and actions by a group of people who seem to spend their whole life's looking for something to be offended at
A couple of years ago I complained about a person who was behaving anti socially he was making all his neighbours life's a misery he would swear and threaten people he would keep the whole street awake with his constant loud noise, his children were hitting and kicking all the other children in the area, he was ignoring planning laws and his response to the complaints( and it wasn't just me) was that they were racially motivated and we were all racists. What happened? Nothing, he was allowed to get away with everything because he cried racism and that is the real danger. When people cry racism every time somebody says or does something they don't like then the word and the deed get devalued. Real racism goes unchallenged and real racists go unpunished because everything is called racism instead of what it really is. In the example above real concerns about a selfish horrible person regardless of his race and in Rons case a 74 year old man speaking in a way which to him is "normal"
Those who disadvantage others because of race or those who threaten and/or injure others because of race need to be challenged but those who make stupid comments without thinking and mean no harm by them should not be tarred with the same brush
I've lost my form
Now I shall go hide with my shame in a cupboard and wait
Whilst I understand how and why you could find this offensive, I think the world would be a much better place if we appreciate our differences and try to laugh off minor issues like this. I'm not sure escalating such trivial things to a point where someone's career could be ruined is particularly helpful. Had that been Danielle that Ron was talking to, everyone would have made the Irish connection, and we wouldn't be making such a fuss. For as long as I can remember I've been listening to Irishman, Scotsman and Englishmen jokes which on the surface would sound offensive to outsiders, but they've become socially acceptable. If we are to become a truly multi-cultural Britain then we all need to be more tolerant of others.
Well, here are a few things he has said (below).
Do you still like him?
And what "Ethnic Minority" are you?
I'm Black and i wouldn't say i'm an Ethnic Minority. I say i'm Black!
Ron Atkinson quotes
He said on air that Cameroon defender Massing did not have a brain. Viewers abroad later heard him say whether his criticism of Massing would have caused trouble:
“if his mother had been listening in Cameroon up a tree”
"...he [Desailly] is what is known in some schools as a ****ing lazy ******".
"I can't understand why there is such a population problem in China as they have the best contraception going: Chinese women are the ugliest in the world."
Aston Villa legend Paul McGrath has revealed that Ron Atkinson called black players “coons” during training sessions.
But then he added: “I heard him call some black players a **** during training. It didn’t happen very often, it was occasional. But I’m not going to defend him to the hilt.
You're obviously not Black, so you are not going to be offended by what Atkinson said! Simple.
But don't try to tell people what they can and cannot be offended by.
What Ron said on CBB has nothing to do with racism
It was a stupid comment but not racism
Finally someone saying it like it is..........I can breath a bit of fresh air.:)