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Grammar question - less/fewer

[Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 793
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Hi all

Quick question on grammar for you, and I'm a bit ashamed I don't know it myself. Which is correct?

"He was left with one less close friend."

"He was left with one fewer close friend."

I originally thought the first, and I know it's something to do with a quantity versus an amount, but not sure which! :)

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    GiraffeGirlGiraffeGirl Posts: 13,619
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    I'd say "one close friend fewer" but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    It should definitely be fewer as you can count friends 1 friend, 2 friends etc. whereas you can't count things like sugar or flour.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 348
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    I agree with GiraffeGirl
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    GurglesGurgles Posts: 1,520
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    Giraffegirl is correct. Fewer is correct when referring to people or things in the plural.

    Ps please don't feel ashamed about asking. The English language is difficult and can be extremely confusing.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 793
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    I'd say "one close friend fewer" but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    It should definitely be fewer as you can count friends 1 friend, 2 friends etc. whereas you can't count things like sugar or flour.

    Thanks - very helpful way to remember
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 793
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    Gurgles wrote: »
    Giraffegirl is correct. Fewer is correct when referring to people or things in the plural.

    Ps please don't feel ashamed about asking. The English language is difficult and can be extremely confusing.

    And thank you Gurgles! :)
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    ForestChavForestChav Posts: 35,127
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    Less = singular
    Fewer = plural

    It's quite simple but enough people get it wrong.
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    TheMaskTheMask Posts: 10,219
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    Less close friend is correct

    if it was fewer it would read fewer close friends
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    Dragonlady 25Dragonlady 25 Posts: 8,587
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    The way I tell my kids to remember is:

    less mashed potato

    fewer chips.

    Less of a crowd

    fewer people.

    Hope this helps. :)
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    JeffG1JeffG1 Posts: 15,275
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    TheMask wrote: »
    Less close friend is correct

    That means a friend who is less close.

    "He was left with one less close friend" means he was left with one friend, who was less close (than before). :)

    GiraffeGirl is correct. The word order in this case is important - OP's second sentence with 'fewer' doesn't work.
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    clsyorkshireclsyorkshire Posts: 791
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    Most supermarkets get this incorrect with their "10 items or less" tills.
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    ForestChavForestChav Posts: 35,127
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    Most supermarkets get this incorrect with their "10 items or less" tills.

    Yes but although it's right "10 items or fewer" looks funny to most people. "Under 10 items" would be better.
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    GiraffeGirlGiraffeGirl Posts: 13,619
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    ForestChav wrote: »
    Yes but although it's right "10 items or fewer" looks funny to most people. "Under 10 items" would be better.

    That would mean only 9 items though ;)
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    ForestChavForestChav Posts: 35,127
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    That would mean only 9 items though ;)

    Under 11 then. Not as if anyone cares if you're over IME anyway.
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    GiraffeGirlGiraffeGirl Posts: 13,619
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    ForestChav wrote: »
    Under 11 then. Not as if anyone cares if you're over IME anyway.

    I haven't seen a number limiting till for a while, now you come to mention it - mostly "basket only" tills
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    bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    JeffG1 wrote: »
    That means a friend who is less close.

    "He was left with one less close friend" means he was left with one friend, who was less close (than before). :)

    GiraffeGirl is correct. The word order in this case is important - OP's second sentence with 'fewer' doesn't work.

    surely for that meaning to be so
    it would be written

    "He was left with one, less close, friend"

    the other meaning would be
    "He was left with one less, close, friend"
    though i wouldn't use the commas
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    ForestChavForestChav Posts: 35,127
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    I haven't seen a number limiting till for a while, now you come to mention it - mostly "basket only" tills

    Basket only is limiting in itself though.

    It's merely to stop people with huge trolleys going up. Some people are going to have large shops which they don't want clogging up lanes for those who only have a few items, understandably so, though paying is the bottleneck!

    I'd usually use a basket but I have hellishly temperamental wrists (and a thumb injury at the moment, which is annoyingly hard to shift, 95% of the time it doesn't affect much though) so unless i'm only going in for a few light items (which is rare, since I normally combine visits for a bit of food with a run for alcohol) I normally use one of the small trolleys... They have about the same capacity.
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    gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    it should be fewer, if you are referring to things that can be counted

    less means smaller in size

    thats the way i was taught!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 50
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    Hi LilAngel,

    Don't be ashamed!

    As has already been said, it's all to do with countable and uncountable nouns:

    "Fewer" for countable nouns - so fewer friends, fewer shoes, fewer cars etc.

    "Less" for uncountable nouns - so less money, less air, less love, less space etc.

    People often use "less" for countables, but not "fewer" for uncountables because it just sounds so wrong ("fewer money", "fewer coffee"),

    Going the other way, "more" works for both types of nouns, there isn't the same division. Good old quirky English, eh?

    Have you spotted the grammar geek yet? :o
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