"On the surface, London is a city full of open spaces bustling with shoppers and tourists. If you scratch beneath it, you soon discover that this openness is a scam. If you’re a local council, selling off land to private developers is an easy way to raise capital. But the undermining of social liberties that comes with these sales is unprecedented." (http://www.spacehijackers.co.uk/)
Yet another benefit of privatisation of former publicly owned industries - in this case the old British Rail; and the accompanying "private property" mentality that so often comes into play.
Were you photographing your wife/girlfriend etc then this probably isn't in question, however when you start photographing the infrastructure then that becomes questionable.
Were you photographing your wife/girlfriend etc then this probably isn't in question, however when you start photographing the infrastructure then that becomes questionable.
Millions of people visit London each year with their primary purpose being looking at and taking photographs of infrastructure.
To be fair the underground staff have always been anal about people taking photographs on their property.
Perhaps it makes life easy to have a simple "no photography" rule, that way the staff don't have to get into long drawn out justifications with some **** wanting to take pictures of a speaker.
have seen over the years thousands of people take photos or video camera film at stations and tube stations , I have never seen any stopped from doing so, mainly because it is obvious they are tourists or taking pics of friends etc.
I have to ask , why were you filming ? what were you filming before they asked you to stop ? and was the filimng for something specific or was it to see if a reaction would be provoked ?
Station and tube staff do not as a rule prevent normal tourist and friend style pics, however they would be failing in their duty if they did not approach someone filimng on their own for no apparent reason and without prior knowledge or consent.
I can just see it now , lets say (and I hope it never happens again) a bomb went off and when trawling the CCTV they see a lone person who was believed to be invloved just a week before filming at random , various entrances and exists etc and staff just ignoring them, the public would say why did no one check what they were doing.
I am of course not saying that was the case here , I am saying depending on what you were filming and how then they were probably right to approach you. Stating you are doing no harm is not really a justifcation for filming.
It's strictly against railway bye-laws to take photographs at a station without first obtaining permission...
if you look outside most railways stations it does tell yu that yu need permission to film at the station. orginary this was because of film companies useing the station , as a set for there filming and not paying the owner or getting permission
Since then we have had bombing of stations. The same could be said of airports ie filming and takeing pictures of aircraft and even details of flights in and out of airports too..
But to be honest if a real terrorist wanted to blow up a station or airport they certainly would not walking around(being seen filmig with a big camera in full view). especially now when mobile phones can take full video and even in 3 D as well. most infromation they want can be easily be got from the internet. (and ways of building bombs ,if they dont know how to build one that is ).
What the real answer for stopping any more bombing is to sort the problem out by not getting involved with other countries problems. Also the moslem community should be more responsible for the actions of there so called bethren !
remember these people (terrorists) are only interested in one thing a islamic state they not interested in any ones religion or views. Yet they believe in the same "god" (this is assumeing he exists or ever existed. And they cant even agree amoungst themselves there are two completely different factions of islam. both think there version of islam is the right one. Think the trurth is probably that neither are, any islamic organisation or religion that supports murder of people of other religions is wrong.
And the same could be said of other religions or organisations that believe that moslems are evil ! The only thing that is evil is evil itself.. we cant we not have any religions and all get along ?
I have to ask , why were you filming ? what were you filming before they asked you to stop ? and was the filimng for something specific or was it to see if a reaction would be provoked ?
Personally I think that's a common agenda for some, gives them something to Blog about.
Yeah because photographing loudspeakers means ..... what?
Exactly, what does it mean, are you really interested in old speakers or was it to see the reaction ?
Speakers are located usually up high , it would look odd to see a lone person filiming fixtures at height in a station for no reason and without prior consent.
Also if old speakers were a passion of yours I would have expected to see mention in at least one of your posts on the forum, having checked there isnt one ?
Might be a good idea for photoraphers to print of a copy of this, and if told they cant take pictures, show them this
Many do.
There was backlash several years ago, and many MPs were on the side of the photographers. The situation is much better now, and it is rare to be stopped from taking photographs, but quite common to be stopped and questioned.
My own theory is that the police don't want to be seen to be racially profiling people taking pictures so as a matter of course will question a person taking "odd" photographs.
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He should cross the road and use a zoom.
They can't actually stop him taking the pictures - but they can remove him if he does it against their will. He can also be banned from the premises.
Erlang's idea is spot-on.
Rubbish.
http://www.urban75.org/photos/photographers-rights-tube-railways.html
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passenger_services/guidelines_for_rail_enthusiasts.html
"On the surface, London is a city full of open spaces bustling with shoppers and tourists. If you scratch beneath it, you soon discover that this openness is a scam. If you’re a local council, selling off land to private developers is an easy way to raise capital. But the undermining of social liberties that comes with these sales is unprecedented." (http://www.spacehijackers.co.uk/)
It states for "private use"...
Were you photographing your wife/girlfriend etc then this probably isn't in question, however when you start photographing the infrastructure then that becomes questionable.
Millions of people visit London each year with their primary purpose being looking at and taking photographs of infrastructure.
Usually not the loudspeakers at a railway station though, eh....
http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm
Yeah because photographing loudspeakers means ..... what?
Perhaps it makes life easy to have a simple "no photography" rule, that way the staff don't have to get into long drawn out justifications with some **** wanting to take pictures of a speaker.
....they're a sad bastard!!
PCSO's strike again. As per usual they have no idea of the law.
My local shopping centre, has a sign up stating no photraphy of any kind allowed in shopping centre
If you require to take photographs you must seek permission form the owners
Might be a good idea for photoraphers to print of a copy of this, and if told they cant take pictures, show them this
I have to ask , why were you filming ? what were you filming before they asked you to stop ? and was the filimng for something specific or was it to see if a reaction would be provoked ?
Station and tube staff do not as a rule prevent normal tourist and friend style pics, however they would be failing in their duty if they did not approach someone filimng on their own for no apparent reason and without prior knowledge or consent.
I can just see it now , lets say (and I hope it never happens again) a bomb went off and when trawling the CCTV they see a lone person who was believed to be invloved just a week before filming at random , various entrances and exists etc and staff just ignoring them, the public would say why did no one check what they were doing.
I am of course not saying that was the case here , I am saying depending on what you were filming and how then they were probably right to approach you. Stating you are doing no harm is not really a justifcation for filming.
Since then we have had bombing of stations. The same could be said of airports ie filming and takeing pictures of aircraft and even details of flights in and out of airports too..
But to be honest if a real terrorist wanted to blow up a station or airport they certainly would not walking around(being seen filmig with a big camera in full view). especially now when mobile phones can take full video and even in 3 D as well. most infromation they want can be easily be got from the internet. (and ways of building bombs ,if they dont know how to build one that is ).
What the real answer for stopping any more bombing is to sort the problem out by not getting involved with other countries problems. Also the moslem community should be more responsible for the actions of there so called bethren !
remember these people (terrorists) are only interested in one thing a islamic state they not interested in any ones religion or views. Yet they believe in the same "god" (this is assumeing he exists or ever existed. And they cant even agree amoungst themselves there are two completely different factions of islam. both think there version of islam is the right one. Think the trurth is probably that neither are, any islamic organisation or religion that supports murder of people of other religions is wrong.
And the same could be said of other religions or organisations that believe that moslems are evil ! The only thing that is evil is evil itself.. we cant we not have any religions and all get along ?
Personally I think that's a common agenda for some, gives them something to Blog about.
Exactly, what does it mean, are you really interested in old speakers or was it to see the reaction ?
Speakers are located usually up high , it would look odd to see a lone person filiming fixtures at height in a station for no reason and without prior consent.
Also if old speakers were a passion of yours I would have expected to see mention in at least one of your posts on the forum, having checked there isnt one ?
There was backlash several years ago, and many MPs were on the side of the photographers. The situation is much better now, and it is rare to be stopped from taking photographs, but quite common to be stopped and questioned.
My own theory is that the police don't want to be seen to be racially profiling people taking pictures so as a matter of course will question a person taking "odd" photographs.