Will you people stop talking sense. This is a union bashing thread - please stick with the script. The point is to deflect from the billions that big business get by attacking the commies and the lefties.
Except the TPA have criticised the tax breaks Disney got under both the last and present governments.
Exactly!!! They are criticising them now....aren't you interested as a taxpayer to know why it is that they are not mentioning Labour ? After all as you point out they have taken the trouble to include Labour in the criticism over the tax brakes to Disney.
They didn't mention any parties in their criticism of the unions and Disney, you are.
Will you people stop talking sense. This is a union bashing thread - please stick with the script. The point is to deflect from the billions that big business get by attacking the commies and the lefties.
How do big businesses get billions by attacking the commies and the lefties?
It mentions a cabinet office minister of the present government, it hardly does what you are accusing it of.
and exactly what am I accusing them of , unless of course you mean me pointing out they have not actually implicated Labour in the report. about taxpayers paying money to unions.
and exactly what am I accusing them of , unless of course you mean me pointing out they have not actually implicated Labour in the report. about taxpayers paying money to unions.
I've no idea any more as you seem to be denying what you post.
Thats a bit unfair my union unison has a hardship fund and many people on low incomes have benefitted we also give grants to the low paid for school uniforms too.I
Your intense dislike of trade unions shines through,
Muppets is a bit of a sweeping statement.;-)
Oh, I dislike them immensely. In my experience, they are full of workshy wasters who will expend all their energy telling their members what to vote, but doing precisely SFA to actually improve their situation.
I accept that "muppets" is somewhat insulting, and I apologise to Kermit, Statler, Waldorf and the rest for implying an association with the Trades Unions.
Oh, I dislike them immensely. In my experience, they are full of workshy wasters who will expend all their energy telling their members what to vote, but doing precisely SFA to actually improve their situation.
I accept that "muppets" is somewhat insulting, and I apologise to Kermit, Statler, Waldorf and the rest for implying an association with the Trades Unions.
Thats fine that post full of ignorance as to what i and fellow stewards put in on behalf of our members .
Workshy wasters well that is a well argued point,which is why i guess big investors into the Uk economy such as Nissan actively encourage union participation .
Its people like you who make D/S politics forum what it is today
Full of insults but light on subatance.
By the way you never answered my point about unions giving grants non repayable to those on low incomes? Perhaps you do not even care though.,
Except the TPA have criticised the tax breaks Disney got under both the last and present governments.
Whatever the TPA says it doesn't stop this being primarily a Union bashing thread. The OP made mo mention of their comments on Disney.
Unless of course the OP has set up threads denouncing the tax breaks to the major corporations.
What is becoming clear is that we need to have a full review of the tax laws in this country and make them fair but harder to find those "legal" loopholes. I won't hold my breath however.
As another poster did point out the money going to the union members may save more money in the long run. Something to be considered and analysed don't you think?
Oh, I dislike them immensely. In my experience, they are full of workshy wasters who will expend all their energy telling their members what to vote, but doing precisely SFA to actually improve their situation.
I accept that "muppets" is somewhat insulting, and I apologise to Kermit, Statler, Waldorf and the rest for implying an association with the Trades Unions.
It depends.
My mother was let down, and her fellow workers, by her union where my dad was helped. It depends on the union. Some are good, some are bad.
Certainly the unions in Germany have helped their economy grow so unions can't be all bad.
Well we haven't had a union bashing thread for a while so I suppose we are due one,
But as the tired old cliché's of "boooo unions baaad boooo, lazy, all in it for themselves, incompetent, socialists, communists, loony left" etc etc ad nauseam, are being reeled out I think its' only fair that I..... pardon? "fair"? it's in most dictionaries (except Tory one's obviously)
that I trot out a few of my own.
So I suppose all these union bashers will forgo every single advancement that the unions have gained for the people of this country, and instead will rely on the 'goodwill' of the Tories and aristocracy just like in the good old days?
I can't see there being much of a stampede to turn the clock back 150 years,
quite happy to take take take, while at the same time sneering at the institutions and the sacrifices made by those men and women who went before us in order that you may enjoy (for now) the fruits of their struggle.
are there some greedy, lazy and selfish individuals at the top of some trades unions, absolutely certainly,
JUST like in some political parties, are we suggesting that all political parties should be abolished and/or blamed for the actions of a minority of individuals?
Why not? as it seems that for 'certain sections' of society blaming the majority for the behaviour of a tiny minority is 'first' nature, let alone second.
Thats fine that post full of ignorance as to what i and fellow stewards put in on behalf of our members .
Workshy wasters well that is a well argued point,which is why i guess big investors into the Uk economy such as Nissan actively encourage union participation .
Its people like you who make D/S politics forum what it is today
Full of insults but light on subatance.
By the way you never answered my point about unions giving grants non repayable to those on low incomes? Perhaps you do not even care though.,
Which i suspect you do not.>:(:(
Mainstream British Unions don't help themselves though.
The default position always seems to be - (whatever it is) if it's proposed by the company, (or government) oppose it.
Mainstream British Unions don't help themselves though.
The default position always seems to be - (whatever it is) if it's proposed by the company, (or government) oppose it.
Which unions today have you in mind i myself recently as a sterward recommened my members did not come out in the health unions despite a ballot approving it.
Nissan and Honda are both fully unionised yet they have no problems because they are prepared to work with unions.
Hammer the Unions!
Abolish human rights!
Leave the EU and all its pesky employment protection rules!
I can understand the leaders on the Right welcomign such outrages, greed is one of their prime motivatioons. But the underlings? The working class Tories? What on Earth could persuade those turkeys welcoming Christmas with open arms?
Which unions today have you in mind i myself recently as a sterward recommened my members did not come out in the health unions despite a ballot approving it.
Nissan and Honda are both fully unionised yet they have no problems because they are prepared to work with unions.
It's as ever, one union goes on strike, it's all over the news channels, 10 unions settle their dispute without industrial action, hardly gets a mention if at all, therefore "all unions do is go on strike"
One person cheats the benefit system, it's in the newspaper, millions of people don't cheat the benefit system, it doesn't get reported, therefore "the majority of people 'on benefits' are frauds and/or scroungers" and this is how the perceptions of some people get distorted.
It's as ever, one union goes on strike, it's all over the news channels, 10 unions settle their dispute without industrial action, hardly gets a mention if at all, therefore "all unions do is go on strike"
One person cheats the benefit system, it's in the newspaper, millions of people don't cheat the benefit system, it doesn't get reported, therefore "the majority of people 'on benefits' are frauds and/or scroungers" and this is how the perceptions of some people get distorted.
That's the problem with stereotyping and it isn't just unions and those on benefits it is applied to.
Thats fine that post full of ignorance as to what i and fellow stewards put in on behalf of our members .
Workshy wasters well that is a well argued point,which is why i guess big investors into the Uk economy such as Nissan actively encourage union participation .
Its people like you who make D/S politics forum what it is today
Full of insults but light on subatance.
By the way you never answered my point about unions giving grants non repayable to those on low incomes? Perhaps you do not even care though.,
Which i suspect you do not.>:(:(
I'm sure some unions do some good somewhere. If they give grants, then fine.
I can only speak from experience. From hearing the likes of Serwotka, Barber and company spouting garbage on the TV. That the two times my partner needed (desperately) their help, they were absolutely useless. Invisible, in fact.
That yet again next week, London will be thrown into utter chaos, £1millions lost because the RMT seem to believe they run the Tube, not TfL.
I am not anti trades unions per se. German unions have been responsible and progressive and a major factor in their country's industrial prowess. Ours, in the main, seem to be complete rabble.
I'm sure some unions do some good somewhere. If they give grants, then fine.
I can only speak from experience. From hearing the likes of Serwotka, Barber and company spouting garbage on the TV. That the two times my partner needed (desperately) their help, they were absolutely useless. Invisible, in fact.
That yet again next week, London will be thrown into utter chaos, £1millions lost because the RMT seem to believe they run the Tube, not TfL.
I am not anti trades unions per se. German unions have been responsible and progressive and a major factor in their country's industrial prowess. Ours, in the main, seem to be complete rabble.
I am, not Serwotka,ect ect.
But an ordinary steward who believe's our area organisers are well out of touch and theycare.
I come from the shop floor andrepresent the shop floor despite what our full time university educated masters to do.
I try to live i nthe real world..
Unions do a lot of good for people in the real world,stil i guess thats not news worthy.:(
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Except the TPA have criticised the tax breaks Disney got under both the last and present governments.
They didn't mention any parties in their criticism of the unions and Disney, you are.
How do big businesses get billions by attacking the commies and the lefties?
Well reading this I don't think there is any need to mention the parties by name to know which parties they are referring to..
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/taxpayerfundingtradeunions2013.pdf
It mentions a cabinet office minister of the present government, it hardly does what you are accusing it of.
and exactly what am I accusing them of , unless of course you mean me pointing out they have not actually implicated Labour in the report. about taxpayers paying money to unions.
I've no idea any more as you seem to be denying what you post.
Oh, I dislike them immensely. In my experience, they are full of workshy wasters who will expend all their energy telling their members what to vote, but doing precisely SFA to actually improve their situation.
I accept that "muppets" is somewhat insulting, and I apologise to Kermit, Statler, Waldorf and the rest for implying an association with the Trades Unions.
Thats fine that post full of ignorance as to what i and fellow stewards put in on behalf of our members .
Workshy wasters well that is a well argued point,which is why i guess big investors into the Uk economy such as Nissan actively encourage union participation .
Its people like you who make D/S politics forum what it is today
Full of insults but light on subatance.
By the way you never answered my point about unions giving grants non repayable to those on low incomes? Perhaps you do not even care though.,
Which i suspect you do not.>:(:(
Whatever the TPA says it doesn't stop this being primarily a Union bashing thread. The OP made mo mention of their comments on Disney.
Unless of course the OP has set up threads denouncing the tax breaks to the major corporations.
What is becoming clear is that we need to have a full review of the tax laws in this country and make them fair but harder to find those "legal" loopholes. I won't hold my breath however.
As another poster did point out the money going to the union members may save more money in the long run. Something to be considered and analysed don't you think?
It depends.
My mother was let down, and her fellow workers, by her union where my dad was helped. It depends on the union. Some are good, some are bad.
Certainly the unions in Germany have helped their economy grow so unions can't be all bad.
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
But as the tired old cliché's of "boooo unions baaad boooo, lazy, all in it for themselves, incompetent, socialists, communists, loony left" etc etc ad nauseam, are being reeled out I think its' only fair that I..... pardon? "fair"? it's in most dictionaries (except Tory one's obviously)
that I trot out a few of my own.
So I suppose all these union bashers will forgo every single advancement that the unions have gained for the people of this country, and instead will rely on the 'goodwill' of the Tories and aristocracy just like in the good old days?
I can't see there being much of a stampede to turn the clock back 150 years,
quite happy to take take take, while at the same time sneering at the institutions and the sacrifices made by those men and women who went before us in order that you may enjoy (for now) the fruits of their struggle.
are there some greedy, lazy and selfish individuals at the top of some trades unions, absolutely certainly,
JUST like in some political parties, are we suggesting that all political parties should be abolished and/or blamed for the actions of a minority of individuals?
Why not? as it seems that for 'certain sections' of society blaming the majority for the behaviour of a tiny minority is 'first' nature, let alone second.
Mainstream British Unions don't help themselves though.
The default position always seems to be - (whatever it is) if it's proposed by the company, (or government) oppose it.
Seems to me you had no idea in the first place considering I've not actually "accused" anyone of anything. So there's nothing for me to deny ;-)
Which unions today have you in mind i myself recently as a sterward recommened my members did not come out in the health unions despite a ballot approving it.
Nissan and Honda are both fully unionised yet they have no problems because they are prepared to work with unions.
Abolish human rights!
Leave the EU and all its pesky employment protection rules!
I can understand the leaders on the Right welcomign such outrages, greed is one of their prime motivatioons. But the underlings? The working class Tories? What on Earth could persuade those turkeys welcoming Christmas with open arms?
(and of course services better equipped to do the stuff they get the tax break for get cut in the process)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11102821/Employers-could-get-tax-breaks-for-helping-to-tackle-obesity.html
It's as ever, one union goes on strike, it's all over the news channels, 10 unions settle their dispute without industrial action, hardly gets a mention if at all, therefore "all unions do is go on strike"
One person cheats the benefit system, it's in the newspaper, millions of people don't cheat the benefit system, it doesn't get reported, therefore "the majority of people 'on benefits' are frauds and/or scroungers" and this is how the perceptions of some people get distorted.
You really couldn't make it up. .
That's the problem with stereotyping and it isn't just unions and those on benefits it is applied to.
I'm sure some unions do some good somewhere. If they give grants, then fine.
I can only speak from experience. From hearing the likes of Serwotka, Barber and company spouting garbage on the TV. That the two times my partner needed (desperately) their help, they were absolutely useless. Invisible, in fact.
That yet again next week, London will be thrown into utter chaos, £1millions lost because the RMT seem to believe they run the Tube, not TfL.
I am not anti trades unions per se. German unions have been responsible and progressive and a major factor in their country's industrial prowess. Ours, in the main, seem to be complete rabble.
I am, not Serwotka,ect ect.
But an ordinary steward who believe's our area organisers are well out of touch and theycare.
I come from the shop floor andrepresent the shop floor despite what our full time university educated masters to do.
I try to live i nthe real world..
Unions do a lot of good for people in the real world,stil i guess thats not news worthy.:(