It's a terrible windows version because they didn't have balls to do a proper new OS.
It's horrid and there's a reason why its not doing well. People aren't stupid... and do there talking with there wallets. The perplexed faces in PC world say a lot. If you find something stupid and illogical to use.. Why buy it?
Windows 8, put simply, is a steaming pile of dung.
Actually ignoring all the new stuff, the equivalent Windows 7 stuff is a vast improvement on Windows 7.
My biggest issue is pinned web pages on the start screen and pinned apps on the start screen. They start off the same but switching requires two different methods, three if you count the desktop.
I keep trying to switch from say IE10 DS web page, to the Sky News app by right clicking and selecting a tab, or moving the mouse to the top left hand corner and trying to select the DS site from the running apps bar.
If IE10 had a single instance mode for pinned web sites, with no tabs or address bar, they could behave like apps and everything could switch from one place.
Saying that I would like a single key to select it and prefer it to appear as a window in the centre of the screen so I can select an app or web page with the mouse.
Oh good another Win8 hate thread complete with trolls.
And so completely unnecessary, all Microsoft had to do was allow users to default to desktop without 3rd party add ons and most of the dislike would not exist.
It's a terrible windows version because they didn't have balls to do a proper new OS.
It's horrid and there's a reason why its not doing well. People aren't stupid... and do there talking with there wallets. The perplexed faces in PC world say a lot. If you find something stupid and illogical to use.. Why buy it?
The Windows 8 laptops in the Currys/PC World stores near me always seem to be on the "Automatic Repair" screen saying. One today was also "Diagnosing...". A few weeks back when I popped in I counted them, 6 of them were showing that screen, not great advertisement...
On the wider topic - I've been using Windows 8 since the start of December. Trying to use it on a touchpad is exceedingly tiresome - I've figured out a few tricks on my own but still a lot of back-and-forth across the screen to get things done. Summary - hated it then, hate it slightly less now...
Actually ignoring all the new stuff, the equivalent Windows 7 stuff is a vast improvement on Windows 7.
My biggest issue is pinned web pages on the start screen and pinned apps on the start screen. They start off the same but switching requires two different methods, three if you count the desktop.
I keep trying to switch from say IE10 DS web page, to the Sky News app by right clicking and selecting a tab, or moving the mouse to the top left hand corner and trying to select the DS site from the running apps bar.
If IE10 had a single instance mode for pinned web sites, with no tabs or address bar, they could behave like apps and everything could switch from one place.
Saying that I would like a single key to select it and prefer it to appear as a window in the centre of the screen so I can select an app or web page with the mouse.
The business with the pinned web pages reminds me of Windows 98 and Active Desktop. It allowed you to have a webpage as your desktop and also displayed adverts for certain internet "channels".
As a part of the TechNet group who used Windows 8 at the developer stage, I have recently been part of a group feedback survey for Microsoft. To a man, every respondent I know (network managers os relatively small XP or W& networks) had a negative view of Windows 8, and will not consider it for a roll-out to their network.
This might not reflect all respondents, but the group I know are unanimous it is a flawed system. The hope is that Microsoft will take this on board and addresss the issues of usability in either W9 or even some sort of W8 service pack.
I can see their problem with the metro interface though... a lot of people really dont like it.... but I don't think its so bad that it makes the OS a piece of crap! There's plenty of useful features besides that and you can avoid it by sticking to the desktop mode
I hardly think being sharp to look at (which is a matter of opinion) is a recommendation for serious desktop users wanting productivity out of their system.
As for "slick to use with a mouse", I laughed out loud when I read that as it's literally all over the place with a mouse, and much slower to launch any serious programs.
To launch the occasionally used Windows Media Encoder from the desktop with a Start Button add-on took me 4 seconds, first time. Very few clicks and almost imperceptible mouse and eye movements. To launch it from the Metro screen took me 8 seconds after dropping into the small-tiles screen, practising several times, and with mouse and eye movements all over the place (which on a 27 inch screen isn't exactly restful). It was slow and in the end, dumped me onto the desktop anyway! May as well have started from there, obviously!
So it's back to Classic Shell again for me and now, without Metro, W8 actually is "slick to use with a mouse".
You must be a sloppy mouse user then
I stand by what I said in my earlier post and will add I think, judging by the same names popping up on W8 threads all the time that some members have their own agenda and just won't give 8 a chance.
If microsoft now only want to cater for the kiddies and their Apps, gadgets and love of brightly coloured tasteless buttons, (sorry I mean Tiles: we have to give them trendy names that the kiddies just lap up), why should we bother with them?
If microsoft now only want to cater for the kiddies and their Apps, gadgets and love of brightly coloured tasteless buttons, (sorry I mean Tiles: we have to give them trendy names that the kiddies just lap up), why should we bother with them?
All that though is your opinion, all this talk on W8 is purely subjective to the poster. Using the word 'we' speaks for everyone but does not reflect reality, "I would have to give them" would be a better way of putting it.
You are right about subjectivity. But there are some pertinent points to be made which doesn't make them "trolling". As a long term Windows user in multiple environments, it has alwaays been possible to make a pretty good judgement on new Windows releases from their first use. 3.1 was fine, NT was clunky to start with and improved with each Service Pack. 2000 seemed okay, but I only used it very briefly. XP was good. ME a mess. Vista was a good idea badly implemented. 7 was great.
W8, as a desktop environment, doesn't add enough to W7 to make it worthwhile, and removes some very useful elements (cf. all the start button threads, aero, etc.). The tiles/apps interface is a good way of accessing a touchscreen, but to my mind (and my colleagues in similar situations) it should have been an available add-on rather than the default.
Subjective? Yes. Trolling? I think not; I am now going to spin round to the desk behind me and have an afternoon trying to make W8 work for me again - but I fear I'll be back on my main W7 machine before the day is out.
I doubt there is anyone out there using W7 who has not downloaded and used a third party app to improve the usage/look in some way or another..
Once you volunteer to use W8 you have a similar choice to use 3rd party apps or not. So I don't see why people object to having a selection of start buttons to choose from....
I use the same one in 8 as I did in 7, not really a problem.
I doubt there is anyone out there using W7 who has not downloaded and used a third party app to improve the usage/look in some way or another..
Once you volunteer to use W8 you have a similar choice to use 3rd party apps or not. So I don't see why people object to having a selection of start buttons to choose from....
I use the same one in 8 as I did in 7, not really a problem.
My Windows 7 installs are all default - no 3rd party utilities unless you count anti-virus.
My sole Windows 8 install is highly modified using 3rd party utilities (Start8 & Decor8 from Stardock).
Yjudging by the same names popping up on W8 threads all the time that some members have their own agenda
Can't speak for the others but I certainly DO have an agenda! I want Microsoft to add back the Start button and a Metro by-pass as an option! They can easily do this as a download or service pack and then, the criticism will mostly disappear at a stroke. I also want everyone who is thinking of buying it to know that they may not like it as Metro is so different from any previous Windows front-end, but that if they don't, all is not lost due to the independent add-ons.
Oh I gave it plenty of chances, 6 months ago IIRC (months before its release to retail). It simply does not stack up to my requirements on a powerful desktop-mouse system, it's as simple as that. But for Classic Shell, I would never have purchased Windows 8.
Can't speak for the others but I certainly DO have an agenda! I want Microsoft to add back the Start button and a Metro by-pass as an option! They can easily do this as a download or service pack and then, the criticism will mostly disappear at a stroke. I also want everyone who is thinking of buying it to know that they may not like it as Metro is so different from any previous Windows front-end, but that if they don't, all is not lost due to the independent add-ons.
Oh I gave it plenty of chances, 6 months ago IIRC (months before its release to retail). It simply does not stack up to my requirements on a powerful desktop-mouse system, it's as simple as that. But for Classic Shell, I would never have purchased Windows 8.
Your all 'me me me'
Write in the the editor of The Times:
Sir,
Because of that absolute shower at Microsoft I have had to install a new start button in Windows 8:mad:
Or how about the option to show hidden files that can only be set by running a terminal command.
I never knew about that one. I know that in Windows XP you can just go to Explorer>Tools/File Options and allow it to show hidden files from there. Don't know about Windows 7 though.
I never knew about that one. I know that in Windows XP you can just go to Explorer>Tools/File Options and allow it to show hidden files from there. Don't know about Windows 7 though.
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Nothing. Just Windows 8 as it is.
I do use for a start menu though a little program by Samsung which pops up a start menu when you need it.
How is OSX dumbed down?
It's horrid and there's a reason why its not doing well. People aren't stupid... and do there talking with there wallets. The perplexed faces in PC world say a lot. If you find something stupid and illogical to use.. Why buy it?
Actually ignoring all the new stuff, the equivalent Windows 7 stuff is a vast improvement on Windows 7.
My biggest issue is pinned web pages on the start screen and pinned apps on the start screen. They start off the same but switching requires two different methods, three if you count the desktop.
I keep trying to switch from say IE10 DS web page, to the Sky News app by right clicking and selecting a tab, or moving the mouse to the top left hand corner and trying to select the DS site from the running apps bar.
If IE10 had a single instance mode for pinned web sites, with no tabs or address bar, they could behave like apps and everything could switch from one place.
Saying that I would like a single key to select it and prefer it to appear as a window in the centre of the screen so I can select an app or web page with the mouse.
It hides options for you that Apple dont think the average Apple user will want to use.
It's nice to see good rational debate around here
And so completely unnecessary, all Microsoft had to do was allow users to default to desktop without 3rd party add ons and most of the dislike would not exist.
The Windows 8 laptops in the Currys/PC World stores near me always seem to be on the "Automatic Repair" screen saying. One today was also "Diagnosing...". A few weeks back when I popped in I counted them, 6 of them were showing that screen, not great advertisement...
On the wider topic - I've been using Windows 8 since the start of December. Trying to use it on a touchpad is exceedingly tiresome - I've figured out a few tricks on my own but still a lot of back-and-forth across the screen to get things done. Summary - hated it then, hate it slightly less now...
Such as?
The business with the pinned web pages reminds me of Windows 98 and Active Desktop. It allowed you to have a webpage as your desktop and also displayed adverts for certain internet "channels".
Like what?
This might not reflect all respondents, but the group I know are unanimous it is a flawed system. The hope is that Microsoft will take this on board and addresss the issues of usability in either W9 or even some sort of W8 service pack.
To solve the problem for the Metro haters ,install Start 8
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
You must be a sloppy mouse user then
I stand by what I said in my earlier post and will add I think, judging by the same names popping up on W8 threads all the time that some members have their own agenda and just won't give 8 a chance.
Slick and easy posting this too
Why should we have to install anything?
If microsoft now only want to cater for the kiddies and their Apps, gadgets and love of brightly coloured tasteless buttons, (sorry I mean Tiles: we have to give them trendy names that the kiddies just lap up), why should we bother with them?
All that though is your opinion, all this talk on W8 is purely subjective to the poster. Using the word 'we' speaks for everyone but does not reflect reality, "I would have to give them" would be a better way of putting it.
W8, as a desktop environment, doesn't add enough to W7 to make it worthwhile, and removes some very useful elements (cf. all the start button threads, aero, etc.). The tiles/apps interface is a good way of accessing a touchscreen, but to my mind (and my colleagues in similar situations) it should have been an available add-on rather than the default.
Subjective? Yes. Trolling? I think not; I am now going to spin round to the desk behind me and have an afternoon trying to make W8 work for me again - but I fear I'll be back on my main W7 machine before the day is out.
Once you volunteer to use W8 you have a similar choice to use 3rd party apps or not. So I don't see why people object to having a selection of start buttons to choose from....
I use the same one in 8 as I did in 7, not really a problem.
For starters the actually layout the OS on disk, unless you drop down into Terminal or start poking around.
Or how about the option to show hidden files that can only be set by running a terminal command.
My Windows 7 installs are all default - no 3rd party utilities unless you count anti-virus.
My sole Windows 8 install is highly modified using 3rd party utilities (Start8 & Decor8 from Stardock).
So true.
I noticed in Mountain Lion that Apple made it harder to customise the install.
Apple also removed the DHCP GUI preference pane in the ML Server addon which annoyed a lot of OS X Server users.
Can't speak for the others but I certainly DO have an agenda! I want Microsoft to add back the Start button and a Metro by-pass as an option! They can easily do this as a download or service pack and then, the criticism will mostly disappear at a stroke. I also want everyone who is thinking of buying it to know that they may not like it as Metro is so different from any previous Windows front-end, but that if they don't, all is not lost due to the independent add-ons.
Oh I gave it plenty of chances, 6 months ago IIRC (months before its release to retail). It simply does not stack up to my requirements on a powerful desktop-mouse system, it's as simple as that. But for Classic Shell, I would never have purchased Windows 8.
Your all 'me me me'
Write in the the editor of The Times:
Sir,
Because of that absolute shower at Microsoft I have had to install a new start button in Windows 8:mad:
They all deserve a dam good thrashing
Yours
Mr Angry
Darn Sarf
I never knew about that one. I know that in Windows XP you can just go to Explorer>Tools/File Options and allow it to show hidden files from there. Don't know about Windows 7 though.
I knew you would be out there....:rolleyes:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zxue/archive/2012/03/08/win8-howto-19-show-hidden-files-folders-and-drives.aspx