Not really because it's opinions not a scientific study.
Not really, they might claim "X said this" and you think, "well, that seems very unlikely - where can I read that" or they might say "most people do or have X" and you might want a bit of justification. Pub Facts
In any discussion, you're still required to prove why your "opinions" make more sense than another persons. And it's up to each person to provide that proof, not for others to go looking for it.
You're not required to 'prove' anything. That's how posters who do that got on the list.
You're not required to 'prove' anything. That's how posters who do that got on the list.
Perhaps not. But if you want your views to be considered, it's a basic requirement to be able to back them up with evidence of your logic.Otherwise the argument will be ignored and the person making it will quite rightly, be looked on as an idiot.
In any discussion, you're still required to prove why your "opinions" make more sense than another persons. And it's up to each person to provide that proof, not for others to go looking for it.
It's generally assertions that people request evidence for, not opinions.
It's generally assertions that people request evidence for, not opinions.
Opinions are generally a belief that certain assertions are true. The real issue is that opinions are typically not based on facts or any evidence. And this is where the problem comes from - people don;t like having to show their evidence for their views because...well...they don't have any.
Opinions are generally a belief that certain assertions are true. The real issue is that opinions are typically not based on facts or any evidence. And this is where the problem comes from - people don;t like having to show their evidence for their views because...well...they don't have any.
In which case, wouldn't it be quite reasonable to ask for evidence that the assertion is indeed true?
Well, an assertion is just a forceful statement of fact or belief. In fact, it is a synonym for opinion. There really isn't a lot of distinction, just the way the statement is worded.
"I think that all red cars are the best" (opinion)
"All red cars are the best" (assertion)
This is probably less than polite of me to say, but I think you're trying your hand at pedantry and not getting it quite right because you don't understand the difference between an opinion and an assertion. And to be honest, I had to double check it myself.
Well, an assertion is just a forceful statement of fact or belief. In fact, it is a synonym for opinion. There really isn't a lot of distinction, just the way the statement is worded.
"I think that all red cars are the best" (opinion)
"All red cars are the best" (assertion)
This is probably less than polite of me to say, but I think you're trying your hand at pedantry and not getting it quite right because you don't understand the difference between an opinion and an assertion. And to be honest, I had to double check it myself.
No, I'm not trying to be pedantic, but perhaps I was wrong to think that an assertion is the same thing as a claim?
I hate to disappoint you, but from my view, if they don't provide any evidence then they can just be ignored. No sweating involved - just a good indication that the other person is most likely a poorly educated buffoon.
OH dear a know it all with even more attitude and sarky with it :D
Well you get all kinds of people in comments section, Some may have a best of the comment section which picks the reaction the writer wants to show people.
Not here obviously, but they just post a 'funny gif' instead of using words. There can be a thread and it can be gif after gif and they use that way to communicate.
16. The Nice Guy
17. The Breaking News Guy
18. The PBU
19. The ill informed, thick as shit, self entitled, always angry man of the people and his quest for social justice
20. The elephant with mental health issues in the chatroom.
21. The religious! (They issue statements like they are fact on a discussion site and them refuse to discuss or demand that people should show them respect for talking complete nonsense.)
Has the person who is always flippant and can't take anything seriously been mentioned-or the one who can't get/take a joke?
- that is some of my favourite stuff
Q: Should we be told how old an aircraft is when booking a Flight?"
A1 : "B52's flying now were made in the 1950's and 60's and will remain in service until at least 2040 with the US Airforce"
A2 : "B52s are meant to kill people"
apparently this merited a 'serious' response
:kitty:
Perhaps not. But if you want your views to be considered, it's a basic requirement to be able to back them up with evidence of your logic.Otherwise the argument will be ignored and the person making it will quite rightly, be looked on as an idiot.
I would add that a series of declarations about what people think does not really merit being called discussion. Exploring the competing or contrasting reasons for holding a view are what makes an exchange a discussion and indeed what makes them interesting.
The fact that an anonymous poster holds a particular position e.g. MrEgg82 agrees with capital punishment is of no interest whatsoever. MrEgg82's reasons for holding their view might be however and those reasons can be discussed.
I would go so far as to say that simply stating an opinion on here is a complete waste of time unless it is accompanied with some logic or argument or evidence or indeed all three.
I'm definitely number 3. I never express my views. Mainly due to not being good at putting what I'm thinking into words and also I'm afraid of being shot down for being wrong lol
My favourites are those that post in a help thread and instead of helping, just say someone else's help is completely wrong.
Of course also the prats in computer help threads, who only ever say 'it is a virus', 'you need to reinstall Windows' and of course 'Norton's is rubbish'.
If it hasn't already been said - yes guilty of not reading whole thread - The Aggressive Butter Inner who turns up during a conversation choosing to target one paricular point of view with an over the top remark designed to be offensive enough to chase the poster away. Just from what I've noticed, they sometimes get away with it when everyone else tries to pretend that didn't just happen.
If it hasn't already been said - yes guilty of not reading whole thread - The Aggressive Butter Inner who turns up during a conversation choosing to target one paricular point of view with an over the top remark designed to be offensive enough to chase the poster away. Just from what I've noticed, they sometimes get away with it when everyone else tries to pretend that didn't just happen.
Again if it's not already been mentioned, the Word Twister, for example:
You could post that you avoid family friendly pubs if you're out for a drink with your mates.
The Word Twister will grab hold of the wrong end of the stick and go and on about you not liking families, how can you not familes, there must be something wrong with people who don't like families, and on and on.
Can think of a much better name than Word Twister,....one word, 6 letters and begins with W.
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You're not required to 'prove' anything. That's how posters who do that got on the list.
Perhaps not. But if you want your views to be considered, it's a basic requirement to be able to back them up with evidence of your logic.Otherwise the argument will be ignored and the person making it will quite rightly, be looked on as an idiot.
Think they're far too rare to be on the list!
And even if they appear, their expertise tends to be ignored.
It's generally assertions that people request evidence for, not opinions.
Opinions are generally a belief that certain assertions are true. The real issue is that opinions are typically not based on facts or any evidence. And this is where the problem comes from - people don;t like having to show their evidence for their views because...well...they don't have any.
Here's a current thread that can used as an example
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2062051
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=77499998&postcount=20
In which case, wouldn't it be quite reasonable to ask for evidence that the assertion is indeed true?
Well, an assertion is just a forceful statement of fact or belief. In fact, it is a synonym for opinion. There really isn't a lot of distinction, just the way the statement is worded.
"I think that all red cars are the best" (opinion)
"All red cars are the best" (assertion)
This is probably less than polite of me to say, but I think you're trying your hand at pedantry and not getting it quite right because you don't understand the difference between an opinion and an assertion. And to be honest, I had to double check it myself.
No, I'm not trying to be pedantic, but perhaps I was wrong to think that an assertion is the same thing as a claim?
I've been called worse
Fair enough, that seems a more likely explanation that my own which, let's be honest, was a wee bit abrasive.
Not here obviously, but they just post a 'funny gif' instead of using words. There can be a thread and it can be gif after gif and they use that way to communicate.
21. The religious! (They issue statements like they are fact on a discussion site and them refuse to discuss or demand that people should show them respect for talking complete nonsense.)
Q: Should we be told how old an aircraft is when booking a Flight?"
A1 : "B52's flying now were made in the 1950's and 60's and will remain in service until at least 2040 with the US Airforce"
A2 : "B52s are meant to kill people"
apparently this merited a 'serious' response
:kitty:
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion and others are entitled to comment on it. That's how free speech generally works.
I would add that a series of declarations about what people think does not really merit being called discussion. Exploring the competing or contrasting reasons for holding a view are what makes an exchange a discussion and indeed what makes them interesting.
The fact that an anonymous poster holds a particular position e.g. MrEgg82 agrees with capital punishment is of no interest whatsoever. MrEgg82's reasons for holding their view might be however and those reasons can be discussed.
I would go so far as to say that simply stating an opinion on here is a complete waste of time unless it is accompanied with some logic or argument or evidence or indeed all three.
This :P
Of course also the prats in computer help threads, who only ever say 'it is a virus', 'you need to reinstall Windows' and of course 'Norton's is rubbish'.
Oh yes, I can think of a couple of these.
You could post that you avoid family friendly pubs if you're out for a drink with your mates.
The Word Twister will grab hold of the wrong end of the stick and go and on about you not liking families, how can you not familes, there must be something wrong with people who don't like families, and on and on.
Can think of a much better name than Word Twister,....one word, 6 letters and begins with W.