It's a bit more complicated than that. Simple view is to consider everyone a Jew. But like Christianity or Islam, there's a vast range of beliefs and practices contained within a simple religious grouping. Ideally, people should be free to practice their own religion free from discrimination, providing that does not infringe on the rights of others. That should apply to all religions unless they get really weird. Some traditional religious practices like animal or human sacrifice are naturally difficult to reconcile with current legal frameworks.
So if a group wants to go about their business, they should be free to do so. In Israel, just like in other countries there are a variety of views about how exactly a Jewish state should look and act. Some of those views are less tolerant and more controversial than others, just as it is with the views of religious people in other nations. The US is still struggling with abortion, Syria's women are being denied driving licences in 'rebel' controlled areas. Religion is still too often used as an excuse to impose one person or groups will on others. Until that changes, nothing is likely to change and for 'Israel', it's something that's been an issue for a few thousand years.
Islamo-facism is no longer viewed as a religeon but is seen as more of a crime, fraud and terror syndicate.
I dont recall blaming Israel for the high birth rate of palestinians but what you seem to be suggesting is that some kind of biological warfare is taking place.
I think it got to the point where the discussion is no longer about Gaza but demonizing Israel by any means possible.
We're now down to "cold blooded killers", genocide, murdering soldiers, collective punishment, Israeli effecting birth rates and best of all eugenics.
What I should have said is that Palestinians can't blame anyone but themselves for their birthrate as it's their society. I wasn't implying that you were blaming Israel for it
Isn't ethnic cleansing what's happening to the Palestinians?
So you don't think convincing people to try to coexist side by side and get to know each other is a good idea then?
You think it's ethnic cleansing?
Stranger and stranger.
Trying to disguise your racist talk retrospectively isnt going to work.
Maybe the Ashkanazi Jews need to be made to co exist in small communities with people of different ethic origin and religions so that they can learn to adapt and loose their clannish tendencies then?
I don't think they like to integrate. Even when they were living Europe, they'd live in their own communities, which was one of the reasons they were persecuted so much.
I think it got to the point where the discussion is no longer about Gaza but demonizing Israel by any means possible.
We're now down to "cold blooded killers", genocide, murdering soldiers, collective punishment, Israeli effecting birth rates and best of all eugenics.
What I should have said is that Palestinians can't blame anyone but themselves for their birthrate as it's their society. I wasn't implying that you were blaming Israel for it
And youve got that windwalker complaining that the "pro Israel/islam haters" keep on saying the same thing on here all the time!!! <rolleyes>
I don't think they like to integrate. Even when they were living Europe, they'd live in their own communities, which was one of the reasons they were persecuted so much.
Well that isn't a characteristic peculiar to the Jewish people is it?
Assad kills 10,000 civilians and counting. ISIS threatening to destroy Mecca and killing Muslims in Iraq and Syria, sectarian violence in Afghanistan.
Nobody batters an eye lid until Gaza starts again. Double standards all round.
Me thinks that among the European and American hard-left, the killing of muslims by other muslims is ok but if muslims are killed by Jewish people defending themselves and their land, that is simply not on. One could be forgiven for thinking that the 'left' are the new 'right'.
Anti semitism is a deep rooted issue for many who can't stand the fact that a Jewish country is able to defend itself.
Centuries of persecution and now finally they are able to defend themselves. Muslims murdering other Muslims, no one cares.
Jews do it and the left all jump on the bandwagon.
Oh anyone complaining about Israel killing thousands of civilians must be an anti semite?! Nope! Israel getting away with what it does is an absoloute outrage. And the Palestinians are semites too!
All I see is a Jewish country being a big fat bully.
I don't like bullies, neither does the civilized world.
Thanks to the internet and tv we now know that the islamo facists are a threat to us all . For years gone by it was always assumed that Israel was in the wrong but we can now see that it is in fact the savages of ISIS, al queda, hamas and boko-haram that are the true enemy of civilization. The beliefs that make them so brutal and cruel, also make them weak and corrupt.
Oh anyone complaining about Israel killing thousands of civilians must be an anti semite?! Nope! Israel getting away with what it does is an absoloute outrage. And the Palestinians are semites too!
As the aggressor, hamas are responsible for all the suffering.
Thanks to the internet and tv we now know that the islamo facists are a threat to us all . For years gone by it was always assumed that Israel was in the wrong but we can now see that it is in fact the savages of ISIS, al queda, hamas and boko-haram that are the true enemy of civilization. The beliefs that make them so brutal and cruel, also make them weak and corrupt.
And we still think Israel is in the wrong. Nothing changed.
Thanks to the internet and tv we now know that the islamo facists are a threat to us all . For years gone by it was always assumed that Israel was in the wrong but we can now see that it is in fact the savages of ISIS, al queda, hamas and boko-haram that are the true enemy of civilization. The beliefs that make them so brutal and cruel, also make them weak and corrupt.
Look at ISIS, give me Israel any day. Jews defending themselves and some can't take it. Tough, they are not disappearing. Israel could end this conflict easily if they wanted to.
Look at Hamas, look at its objectives, read it's charter.
As the aggressor, hamas are responsible for all the suffering.
Israel has such clean hands hasn't it? Their troops and settlers in the west bank kill Palestinians frequently, the international media are not there to report it and the world powers do sod all about it.
Israel has not provided any provided proof that Hamas broke the ceasefire, didn't provide proof that hamas kidnapped those 3 teenagers and they have killled over 1600 Palestinians now, most of them civilians. Collective punnishment is illegal but thats not going to stop israel is it? Israel, such good guys, of course they are! Roll eyes!!!
Oh anyone complaining about Israel killing thousands of civilians must be an anti semite?! Nope! Israel getting away with what it does is an absoloute outrage.
But isn't the whole situation down to the fact that the Arabs never accepted Israel to begin with.
The Arabs were give most of the land in the mandate and the remaining land was meant to two states which the Arabs refused. They attacked Israel on the day it declared independence and have not stopped since.
Why is it when the Egyptians and Jordanians controlled the West Bank it was not occupied but if Israel go near it's then occupied ?
It was only after the 6 Day War that they wanted a Palestinian state because after two wars they failed in destroy Israel.
So if the Arabs had accepted the land mandated to them by the British then there would be two states and this whole mess could probably have been avoided.
The whole situation comes down to the Arabs don't want to accept that Jews have their own state.
Look at ISIS, give me Israel any day. Jews defending themselves and some can't take it. Tough, they are not disappearing. Israel could end this conflict easily if they wanted to.
Look at Hamas, look at its objectives, read it's charter.
Oh with the American supplied nukes? Oh so tough aren't they?!
As for ISIS, what's your point on them? That they represent muslims? Oh if they did, don't you think there would be bombs going off all the time wherever there are muslims if that was the case?! There isn't because extreme bone heads like ISIS are a puny amount compared to the 1 Billion plus muslims out there!
They only got into Iraq because the sunni's there foolishly allowed them back in and think they can use them to their advantage, otherwise they wouldn't of goton nowhere!
But isn't the whole situation down to the fact that the Arabs never accepted Israel to begin with.
The Arabs were give most of the land in the mandate and the remaining land was meant to two states which the Arabs refused. They attacked Israel on the day it declared independence and have not stopped since.
Why is it when the Egyptians and Jordanians controlled the West Bank it was not occupied but if Israel go near it's then occupied ?
It was only after the 6 Day War that they wanted a Palestinian state because after two wars they failed in destroy Israel.
So if the Arabs had accepted the land mandated to them by the British then there would be two states and this whole mess could probably have been avoided.
The whole situation comes down to the Arabs don't want to accept that Jews have their own state.
Exactly. It's because Israel is Jewish. That is the truth.
Oh with the American supplied nukes? Oh so tough aren't they?!
As for ISIS, what's your point on them? That they represent muslims? Oh if they did, don't you think there would be bombs going off all the time wherever there are muslims if that was the case?! There isn't because extreme bone heads like ISIS are a puny amount compared to the 1 Billion plus muslims out there!
They only got into Iraq because the sunni's there foolishly allowed them back in and think they can use them to their advantage, otherwise they wouldn't of goton nowhere!
But isn't the whole situation down to the fact that the Arabs never accepted Israel to begin with.
The Arabs were give most of the land in the mandate and the remaining land was meant to two states which the Arabs refused. They attacked Israel on the day it declared independence and have not stopped since.
Why is it when the Egyptians and Jordanians controlled the West Bank it was not occupied but if Israel go near it's then occupied ?
It was only after the 6 Day War that they wanted a Palestinian state because after two wars they failed in destroy Israel.
So if the Arabs had accepted the land mandated to them by the British then there would be two states and this whole mess could probably have been avoided.
The whole situation comes down to the Arabs don't want to accept that Jews have their own state.
Why should the Arabs/Palestinians have had to accept their land being taken off them FGS?! Would you accept it if it happened here?!
No but I've heard other people go on about what you're no doubt getting at. So you think thats set in stone do you? It will never change? Peace can never be done? Hmmm how did South Africa get rid of its apartheid system? How did the Good friday agreement come about in Northern Ireland? Its a mystery isn't it?
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Islamo-facism is no longer viewed as a religeon but is seen as more of a crime, fraud and terror syndicate.
I think it got to the point where the discussion is no longer about Gaza but demonizing Israel by any means possible.
We're now down to "cold blooded killers", genocide, murdering soldiers, collective punishment, Israeli effecting birth rates and best of all eugenics.
What I should have said is that Palestinians can't blame anyone but themselves for their birthrate as it's their society. I wasn't implying that you were blaming Israel for it
Trying to disguise your racist talk retrospectively isnt going to work.
I don't think they like to integrate. Even when they were living Europe, they'd live in their own communities, which was one of the reasons they were persecuted so much.
And youve got that windwalker complaining that the "pro Israel/islam haters" keep on saying the same thing on here all the time!!! <rolleyes>
Centuries of persecution and now finally they are able to defend themselves. Muslims murdering other Muslims, no one cares.
Jews do it and the left all jump on the bandwagon.
Well that isn't a characteristic peculiar to the Jewish people is it?
All I see is a Jewish country being a big fat bully.
I don't like bullies, neither does the civilized world.
So palestinians are having so many children Israel must give up some of its land to support them ? Yeah, sounds reasonable.
Assad kills 10,000 civilians and counting. ISIS threatening to destroy Mecca and killing Muslims in Iraq and Syria, sectarian violence in Afghanistan.
Nobody batters an eye lid until Gaza starts again. Double standards all round.
Me thinks that among the European and American hard-left, the killing of muslims by other muslims is ok but if muslims are killed by Jewish people defending themselves and their land, that is simply not on. One could be forgiven for thinking that the 'left' are the new 'right'.
Too true .
Oh anyone complaining about Israel killing thousands of civilians must be an anti semite?! Nope! Israel getting away with what it does is an absoloute outrage. And the Palestinians are semites too!
Thanks to the internet and tv we now know that the islamo facists are a threat to us all . For years gone by it was always assumed that Israel was in the wrong but we can now see that it is in fact the savages of ISIS, al queda, hamas and boko-haram that are the true enemy of civilization. The beliefs that make them so brutal and cruel, also make them weak and corrupt.
As the aggressor, hamas are responsible for all the suffering.
And we still think Israel is in the wrong. Nothing changed.
Look at Hamas, look at its objectives, read it's charter.
Israel has such clean hands hasn't it? Their troops and settlers in the west bank kill Palestinians frequently, the international media are not there to report it and the world powers do sod all about it.
Israel has not provided any provided proof that Hamas broke the ceasefire, didn't provide proof that hamas kidnapped those 3 teenagers and they have killled over 1600 Palestinians now, most of them civilians. Collective punnishment is illegal but thats not going to stop israel is it? Israel, such good guys, of course they are! Roll eyes!!!
But isn't the whole situation down to the fact that the Arabs never accepted Israel to begin with.
The Arabs were give most of the land in the mandate and the remaining land was meant to two states which the Arabs refused. They attacked Israel on the day it declared independence and have not stopped since.
Why is it when the Egyptians and Jordanians controlled the West Bank it was not occupied but if Israel go near it's then occupied ?
It was only after the 6 Day War that they wanted a Palestinian state because after two wars they failed in destroy Israel.
So if the Arabs had accepted the land mandated to them by the British then there would be two states and this whole mess could probably have been avoided.
The whole situation comes down to the Arabs don't want to accept that Jews have their own state.
Oh with the American supplied nukes? Oh so tough aren't they?!
As for ISIS, what's your point on them? That they represent muslims? Oh if they did, don't you think there would be bombs going off all the time wherever there are muslims if that was the case?! There isn't because extreme bone heads like ISIS are a puny amount compared to the 1 Billion plus muslims out there!
They only got into Iraq because the sunni's there foolishly allowed them back in and think they can use them to their advantage, otherwise they wouldn't of goton nowhere!
Why should the Arabs/Palestinians have had to accept their land being taken off them FGS?! Would you accept it if it happened here?!
No but I've heard other people go on about what you're no doubt getting at. So you think thats set in stone do you? It will never change? Peace can never be done? Hmmm how did South Africa get rid of its apartheid system? How did the Good friday agreement come about in Northern Ireland? Its a mystery isn't it?