Saying something to someone is the same as punching them in the face? I don't think you've thought that through
You said she should be forced to put up with it because it's her job well a boxers job is to get hit so why should't they put up with that outside of work hours even Marlon himself knows he went to far.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Marlon, he is one of my fav's. But he messed up! He knows it and said sorry too.
Ladish banter is fine, but there is a line where you go into sleezy/slimeball territory. He made a comment that crossed that line, and he knew straight away he shouldn't have said it, you could tell by his face.
BB will do what they think is right, but expect lots of backlash after they show it.
Sexism should not be accepted in a modern society, and making excuses about why or how it was used only allows it to continue.
Ok off my soapbox.:p
I still like Marlon though, and it seems kim does too.
Sexism absolutely shouldn't be acceptable in modern society, you're spot on there and Kim had every right to express her distaste at the remarks. However one could argue that men will always view women predominantly as 'pieces of meat' when there are women like her stripping off and objectifying themselves for men's sexual gratification.
And yes, of course it's a woman's choice to do this but there are consequences in a wider sense that should be considered perhaps before you show pink for pay.
Sexism absolutely shouldn't be acceptable in modern society, you're spot on there and Kim had every right to express her distaste at the remarks. However one could argue that men will always view women predominantly as 'pieces of meat' when there are women like her stripping off and objectifying themselves for men's sexual gratification.
And yes, of course it's a woman's choice to do this but there are consequences in a wider sense that should be considered perhaps before you show pink for pay.
Off my soapbox now too :kitty:
Men have been objectifying woman since the dawn of time, long before anyone stripped off for a mag, and would continue to do it long after they stopped, not that it's likely. That's a pretty glaring false equivalency, though I do get where you're coming from.
It was crude, disrespectful and degrading. Kimberley was not being over-sensitive or over-dramatic. Many women hate these kinds of remarks and the men who make them need to re-educate themselves
Hardly. Now you're being over-dramatic. Instead of trying to force people into adopting their way of thinking, maybe these over-sensitive types could grow a sense of humour and not take things so seriously
Men have been objectifying woman since the dawn of time, long before anyone stripped off for a mag, and would continue to do it long after they stopped, not that it's likely. That's a pretty glaring false equivalency, though I do get where you're coming from.
Reinforcing the objectification with vast swathes of wank fodder is hardly helping the cause, put it that way.
I didn't watch the video. But I never liked Marlon and I gathered by the way he speaks of women and gazes at them too that he might be quite lewd. If he bestowed the same amount of attention as he does Kimberly, I'd be super uncomfortable. Anyway, off to watch now.
Sexism absolutely shouldn't be acceptable in modern society, you're spot on there and Kim had every right to express her distaste at the remarks. However one could argue that men will always view women predominantly as 'pieces of meat' when there are women like her stripping off and objectifying themselves for men's sexual gratification.
And yes, of course it's a woman's choice to do this but there are consequences in a wider sense that should be considered perhaps before you show pink for pay.
Off my soapbox now too :kitty:
Men have been objectifying women long before Playboys existed. A woman could be dressed in full on burqa and some men would still objectify her. In Kimberly's case, she hasn't stripped in the house, and just because she works as a naked or underwear model, does not mean it's in any way right yo comment on her sexually like Marlon did. The way to change it is for women and men to address men behaving like that (like Kimberly did) not finding ways to limit women and their choices, so men wouldn't have to take responsibility of their own actions, but just blame it on the actions women.
Men have been objectifying women long before Playboys existed. A woman could be dressed in full on burqa and some men would still objectify her. In Kimberly's case, she hasn't stripped in the house, and just because she works as a naked or underwear model, does not mean it's in any way right yo comment on her sexually like Marlon did. The way to change it is for women and men to address men behaving like that (like Kimberly did) not finding ways to limit women and their choices, so men wouldn't have to take responsibility if their own actions, but just blame it on he scrubs of women.
/off my soapbox.
How sad that so many women, even those as educated and intelligent as Kim, actively choose those choices...is that progress? I don't think so but that's for another thread perhaps
How sad that so many women, even those as educated and intelligent as Kim, actively choose those choices...is that progress? I don't think so but that's for another thread perhaps
If it works for her, she is happy and doesn't harm anyone, who are we to say her choices are wrong or less than other choices. But like you said, it's another fiscusdion completely.
If it works for her, she is happy and doesn't harm anyone, who are we to say her choices are wrong or less than other choices. But like you said, it's another fiscusdion completely.
Reinforcing the objectification with vast swathes of wank fodder is hardly helping the cause, put it that way.
Why is it Kim's place to 'help the cause,' though? What about the men doing the objectifying? That implies again that the true fault lies with women as men can't control themselves and thus it's up to women not to 'tempt' them by showing their bodies off. Where do you draw the line with that? It's a really weird assertion, to be honest.
Why is it Kim's place to 'help the cause,' though? What about the men doing the objectifying? That implies again that the true fault lies with women as men can't control themselves and thus it's up to women not to 'tempt' them by showing their bodies off. Where do you draw the line with that? It's a really weird assertion, to be honest.
It really isn't a 'weird' assertion at all, it's just a different point of view/branch of feminism call it what you will.
Go to the Youtube channel instead, no ads on there.;-)
You can fast forward them. I only just realised that yesterday. Still annoying but a few swipes and you're watching the intended clip that's when watching on phone, not sure if it works on pc/laptop.
I love Kimberley. Shes the only girl this year I do actually like lots. Good for her for taking him to task. I still like him too, and he took it well.
Hardly. Now you're being over-dramatic. Instead of trying to force people into adopting their way of thinking, maybe these over-sensitive types could grow a sense of humour and not take things so seriously
But this is exactly what you're doing. You're trying to "force people into adopting" your way of thinking and chucking out random insults at me for daring to disagree with your outdated victim-blaming attitude as well as the old "sense of humour" chestnut. How out of place someone like you must feel in this modern world where women don't and won't put up with sexist, crude, embarrassingly unnattractive and unfunny remarks from ridiculous delusional clueless men.
Kimbot is not programmed to have sexual relations with members of the human race. Anything that can be construed as a sexual advance by a human is met with immediate shut-down.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Marlon, he is one of my fav's. But he messed up! He knows it and said sorry too.
Ladish banter is fine, but there is a line where you go into sleezy/slimeball territory. He made a comment that crossed that line, and he knew straight away he shouldn't have said it, you could tell by his face.
BB will do what they think is right, but expect lots of backlash after they show it.
Sexism should not be accepted in a modern society, and making excuses about why or how it was used only allows it to continue.
Ok off my soapbox.:p
I still like Marlon though, and it seems kim does too.
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You said she should be forced to put up with it because it's her job well a boxers job is to get hit so why should't they put up with that outside of work hours even Marlon himself knows he went to far.
Sexism absolutely shouldn't be acceptable in modern society, you're spot on there and Kim had every right to express her distaste at the remarks. However one could argue that men will always view women predominantly as 'pieces of meat' when there are women like her stripping off and objectifying themselves for men's sexual gratification.
And yes, of course it's a woman's choice to do this but there are consequences in a wider sense that should be considered perhaps before you show pink for pay.
Off my soapbox now too :kitty:
Men have been objectifying woman since the dawn of time, long before anyone stripped off for a mag, and would continue to do it long after they stopped, not that it's likely. That's a pretty glaring false equivalency, though I do get where you're coming from.
Hardly. Now you're being over-dramatic. Instead of trying to force people into adopting their way of thinking, maybe these over-sensitive types could grow a sense of humour and not take things so seriously
No I didn't, you've invented that to suit your (poor) analogy
So icy and brutal. Emotionless Robot for the win!
Reinforcing the objectification with vast swathes of wank fodder is hardly helping the cause, put it that way.
After glancing at her online presence, I'm going for LegsaKimbo
Men have been objectifying women long before Playboys existed. A woman could be dressed in full on burqa and some men would still objectify her. In Kimberly's case, she hasn't stripped in the house, and just because she works as a naked or underwear model, does not mean it's in any way right yo comment on her sexually like Marlon did. The way to change it is for women and men to address men behaving like that (like Kimberly did) not finding ways to limit women and their choices, so men wouldn't have to take responsibility of their own actions, but just blame it on the actions women.
/off my soapbox.
it's not nice.
How sad that so many women, even those as educated and intelligent as Kim, actively choose those choices...is that progress? I don't think so but that's for another thread perhaps
If it works for her, she is happy and doesn't harm anyone, who are we to say her choices are wrong or less than other choices. But like you said, it's another fiscusdion completely.
That's debatable but I'll drop it now
Why is it Kim's place to 'help the cause,' though? What about the men doing the objectifying? That implies again that the true fault lies with women as men can't control themselves and thus it's up to women not to 'tempt' them by showing their bodies off. Where do you draw the line with that? It's a really weird assertion, to be honest.
What are you? Pffft.
It really isn't a 'weird' assertion at all, it's just a different point of view/branch of feminism call it what you will.
You can fast forward them. I only just realised that yesterday. Still annoying but a few swipes and you're watching the intended clip
I love Kimberley. Shes the only girl this year I do actually like lots. Good for her for taking him to task. I still like him too, and he took it well.
I like the three model girls they appear to be the three nicest h/m's imo
But this is exactly what you're doing. You're trying to "force people into adopting" your way of thinking and chucking out random insults at me for daring to disagree with your outdated victim-blaming attitude as well as the old "sense of humour" chestnut. How out of place someone like you must feel in this modern world where women don't and won't put up with sexist, crude, embarrassingly unnattractive and unfunny remarks from ridiculous delusional clueless men.
Great post