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Time Keeping In Work Help ?
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I need some advise please if any one can help. Back last year my OH was given a verbal warning about his time keeping (i.e being a few mins late in the morning). He was given a 6 month review in which he had to be on time (the 6 months is nearly up). Fast forward to this week and he arrived in work at 9am (his stipulated hours of work) but he was told by his supervisor that he would like him to be in work before 9am in case they need to discuss work related issued before the start of the day (OH things this is petty because he supervisor doesn't like him but that's another story), today he came into work at 9am again and was told because of his lateness he is now going to get a written warning.
My understanding is if your hours of work are 9am - 5pm and you arrive on work premises at 9am and clocked into the building then this is fine I don't see how they can give him a warning for being late when technically he is not.
People in other department time keeping is just the same as the OH but they don't get penalised like he does. Can anyone suggest what I can do to help him ?
My understanding is if your hours of work are 9am - 5pm and you arrive on work premises at 9am and clocked into the building then this is fine I don't see how they can give him a warning for being late when technically he is not.
People in other department time keeping is just the same as the OH but they don't get penalised like he does. Can anyone suggest what I can do to help him ?
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If HR/his contract doesn't state a start time, just a number of hours, I'd suggest he agrees with the manager he'll be there just before 9, but also states he'll be leaving just before 5, as he isn't working time that he isn't being paid for.
As far as discussing work related issues before the start of the day - are they in a particular enironment where they can't talk after the "working day" has started at 9:00? If not, then there's no need to discuss work issues before work starts anyway is there?! :rolleyes:
Grr I hate bosses like that!! And I'm one of those people that's in work half hour before I start (usually on DS) - but I don't expect others to be, or to want to talk shop before the working day has begun.
Hope things work out ok for him OP.
fF
To be honest, if he's already been given a warning about his timekeeping, then would it really kill to get in a few minutes early. Does he hang around outisde until dead on 9, or does he genuinely get there at 9, to the minute, every single day ?
And he has been getting into work 5 mins before its just yesterday and today he was there dead on 9.
I have to say, whatever the legal rights and wrongs, this is the pragmatic approach and I agree with it. Sometimes you just have to get on with it.
Is this a slight insight to your morning ritual?
Put the kettle on first.
I agree with the first bit in bold, the second bit in bold, I'd ask why it has be to discussed outside work hours anyway. Are work things not meant to be discussed within working hours? If things need to be discusses outwith working hours then I suggest your OH asks for overtime.
Failing that, set Grebo them!
He leave same time every morning 8am its just the pick of the draw on what the lanes will be like.
Good idea I have 5 of them !
I think he is just going to have to start leaving at 7:45am to get around the problem. If he really can't do this then I would suggest each time he knows he arrived late, he works the difference at the end of the day.. ie.. if he gets in at 9:05am, he doesn't start clearing his desk until 5:05pm perhaps.
Does he not enjoy his job?
In that case, shouldn't you have been paid from 8.50? I don't think it's on for employers to get a 'free' half hour from their employees every week.
I'm lucky that it's pretty relaxed where I work. I get into work inariably a few minutes late and then make a coffee before I start work. No one complains but it's give and take. I don't usually take the whole hour for lunch and if anyone needs me to do anything when I'm in my office over my lunch break, I do it. Everyone is grown-up about it.
Ah but they get paid to "work" from 9-5. Hanging up your coat/ having a coffee etc is not considered work.
There's no way that would ever happen. The manager liked to keep wage costs down so she got her monthly bonus. The staff never even got to leave at 5:30, it was more like 5:50/5:55 and they only got paid til 5:30.
Clock-watchers rarely make good employees (and I'm not an employer, a mere employee with the power of observation).
I'm ok with the guy who arrives dead on 9 and leaves dead on 5 as long as he wastes not a minute in between. But who is that guy? Everyone wastes time in their working day, either chatting or texting or phoning or even- amazingly on DS - but they don't count those minutes. Oh no, being on the premises is enough to fulfill your contract.
It's a two way thing. If you are counting the minutes, then so are they.
I'm quite bad for being late but I always work 10-15 hours extra a week and I have a bigger workload than other people on the same contract as me. Apparently that all pales into insignificance against not being in the office at a set time. Go figure.
Bit worried that I'll be first in line for redundancy because of it - except that I have skills that no one else in the organisation has which saves the organisation having to outsource - it remains to be seen if that is enough.
Well, the management is stupid and not aware of what their workforce is achieving.
But, why can't you be on time?
And because I like to reserve my right to resist institutionalised authority. I am an individual not a 'resource'.
Fair enough but by the same token, they can reserve the right to manage as they see fit.
If you are both entrenched in your attitudes then you both lose.