I don't think im being hypocritical moaning about uncontrolled immigration, yet wanting to live in sunny California. Without sounding obnoxious, I'm educated, have a degree, have money and wont be feeding off the state.
Being 'educated' surprises me all the more that you miss the point which has been made to you before, the irony of which appears to be totally lost on you.
I'm from London but im fed up of not recognising it whenever I look out the window. IMO, Labours pursuit for uncontrolled immigration since 2004 is unforgivable.
So after making your political view very clear and your open dislike of immigrants........you then state how you've always had 'a pipe dream of living in California'!!
So not only would you then be an immigrant yourself......you also want to live in the US state with the highest percentage of foreign immigrants!!! To be precise.....more than 10 million....and that was three years ago!
If not hypocrisy.....then it's undoubtedly ironic that you hold such double standards!
So after making your political view very clear and your open dislike of immigrants........you then state how you've always had 'a pipe dream of living in California'!!
So not only would you then be an immigrant yourself......you also want to live in the US state with the highest percentage of foreign immigrants!!! To be precise.....more than 10 million....and that was three years ago!
If not hypocrisy.....then it's undoubtedly ironic that you hold such double standards![/QUOTE]
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How can 'Double standards' apply for anyone considering immigrating overseas
to a country that has a huge land mass, and they will be no burden on the state - being fully self supporting and not expecting to be freely housed , with free education, free health service, free interpreter services, free child allowances - and who knows how many other freebies, compared to one wishing to reside in the USA who will have to pass very stringent entry conditions and prove they are self supporting and will not be a burden on the state.
At least the citizens of the USA appear not to be suffering under a fecklish Govt that has signed its nation into an agreement with foreign powers that commits them to accepting everlasting non-stop mass immigration!
I'd like to give living in SW France a try, ideally Gascony. I even know which town I'd like to live in. Beautiful weather, great food and wine (you can still have a great standard of living for less money than you can in the UK), lovely countryside, property dirt cheap, peace and quiet, laid back lifestyle - what's not to like?
My ex and I had the opportunity to go out there and work in 2003 but the erstwhile Mr Lakie wouldn't countenance the idea, despite the fact that it was a no-risk option at a time when he was unemployed.
The current Mr Lakie is quite up for the idea of retiring over there (he doesn't have a job that can really be done overseas), but that depends on how things are for us financially. We'd want to keep a property here in case we needed to come back to live for any reason.
There's stuff we'd miss though. Proper beer, chalk downland, his family, the variety of the British landscape, swede (I'm reliably informed that you cannot buy swede in France, they consider it only suitable for cattle fodder), country pubs, the simplicity of a Saxon church.....
So you want to emigrate....i.e. become an immigrant in another country for a better life?? ;-)
Life isn't better in the UK for some young Muslims and Skiths who are being forced into marriages against their will and in some cases are commiting suicide or abandoning their families to escape pain and abuse. Coming over to the UK for a better life doesn't work if your parents don't embrace any of the freedoms British culture has to offer, which is the reality for some young immigrants.
In the same way that British people moving to Spain or France won't be experiencing the downfalls of those countries that the poorest French or Spanish people experience.
Take no notice because they conveniently ignore the fact that you'd be speaking the language as a natural, share a similar culture, have job to go to and so not depend on the state for money or housing, plus there's plenty of room there for more immigration*.
Again, it's easy to make excuses when it's the Brits who want to go and live abroad.
(Also, if you're talking about the population density of California as a region of the USA, then California is about 50% more densely populated than Scotland, as a region of the UK. Perhaps people should emigrate north if they're really that worried about it! They speak English too up there.)
At my son's school most of the British children are mixed-race or black and most of the white children are Eastern European... With the way that immigration is and where immigrants are coming from, colour is not a reliable indication of someone's immigration status.
As an aside, the multiculturalism is one of my favorite things about living in London.
What about white indigenous Londoners? Where have they all gone? They are leaving inner city London in droves as they are now the minority, or putting their children into private education if they can afford it.
I'm from South London and moved to rural North Yorkshire. My white English child was marginalised in a South London "multi cultural school". She was the only one who spoke English as a first language and was just expected to get on with it, whilst the others were indulged with assistants etc. She was discriminated against and the school were more concerned with dealing with the "influx" and the headaches that come with that.
I would like to work in many countries and experience different cultures but with a baby on the way I don't know if that's feasible. Maybe when the child is a little older - it would be a good experience and education.
Being 'educated' surprises me all the more that you miss the point which has been made to you before, the irony of which appears to be totally lost on you.
So after making your political view very clear and your open dislike of immigrants........you then state how you've always had 'a pipe dream of living in California'!!
So not only would you then be an immigrant yourself......you also want to live in the US state with the highest percentage of foreign immigrants!!! To be precise.....more than 10 million....and that was three years ago!
If not hypocrisy.....then it's undoubtedly ironic that you hold such double standards!
I've clearly stated before that I hold no grudge against immigrants on a personal level. If the law allows them to better themselves then go for it - any rational person would. I take issue with uncontrolled immigration into the UK via the EU.
I would love to live in america after visiting there on holiday. I can picture myself in a little house with a white picket fence
The downsides are too great though. Theres no guarentee i could move there, no nhs means i would have to pay for all my prescriptions and treatment, putting my dog in quarentine and him travelling alone on the plane and the weather! When it snows it snows!
me & my fiancé would love to live in Australia , it is a dream to have a house overlooking the beach , great weather.
Other than the spiders/snakes & missing my british tv & music I would love it.
this country has gone to pot , it's hard to enjoy yourself & the rubbish weather doesn't help. I think we would have a better life over there on the whole. For us young folk life here is hopeless - it is existing not living. I would love to go to the beach everyday
But sadly a lottery win aside or saving till we are a hundred it is not going to happen. I am depressed now , it sounds so good
me & my fiancé would love to live in Australia , it is a dream to have a house overlooking the beach , great weather.
Other than the spiders/snakes & missing my british tv & music I would love it.
this country has gone to pot , it's hard to enjoy yourself & the rubbish weather doesn't help. I think we would have a better life over there on the whole. For us young folk life here is hopeless - it is existing not living. I would love to go to the beach everyday
But sadly a lottery win aside or saving till we are a hundred it is not going to happen. I am depressed now , it sounds so good
Sorry to crush your dreams, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land about Australia. get rid of all the brainwashed crap the BBC tries to ram down our throats about moving there.
Only the very wealthy can afford to live by the beach - most Aussies live in basic houses. Property is very very expensive there at the moment. Most Aussie work bloody hard and live miles from the beach.
Why can't you enjoy yourself for goodness sake? I'm sick of the people that blame this country for all their problems. Use some imagination. Its people like us that have lived abroad, that see the UK is actually a great place to live.
This country has managed to produce some of the most creative types in the world, in the arts, film, theatre, music , fashion, inventiveness - people that spent their childhoods in this "rain sodden hell hole". There is something special about the British environment and character that makes us world leaders in this area.
Only the very wealthy can afford to live by the beach - most Aussies live in basic houses. Property is very very expensive there at the moment. Most Aussie work bloody hard and live miles from the beach.
That's likely the case. I remember those TV programs with British people looking for nice cheap villas to do up in places such as Tuscany (and being extremely fussy too), and I was thinking that most youngish working Italians etc would probably have to settle for some cramped, noisy high-rise flat in a bad part of town.
The everyday realities of life are pretty much the same everywhere.
(Also I remember visiting an ex-pat British couple who actually lived a mile or so from a tropical beach, and they said they hadn't been for six months! Too busy working. Oh, and people who did live right by the beach tended to have their houses destroyed by the next hurricane.)
I would love to move abroad if I had the money and opportunity. A lot about this country is so miserable and boring. Canada is beautiful and I find the people very likeable. If only...
Again, it's easy to make excuses when it's the Brits who want to go and live abroad.
Not excuses but reason why you shouldn't try and slag of Brits who emigrate in defence of what we get coming here, Brits living abroad tend not to be a burden that society would have to pay for.
(Also, if you're talking about the population density of California as a region of the USA, then California is about 50% more densely populated than Scotland, as a region of the UK. Perhaps people should emigrate north if they're really that worried about it! They speak English too up there.)
I wasn't talking of population density and it's irrelevant to the point anyway.
Since October, I've been living and working in Paris, though I do spend a good amount of time in London. My employers initially reimbursed travel expenses and paid me enough to afford the rent, food and drink, electricty and gas, which I'm grateful for.
It's a great city; the people are friendly and it helps if you make an attempt to integrate (ie: learn the lingo). My French accent isn't perfect, but they get the gist. I do eat out a lot, but use lunches and dinners to socialise and meet new people.
I might move to Paris permanently, or just stay in London depending on what the employers think -- don't want to commute between two countries for a living.
Sorry to crush your dreams, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land about Australia. get rid of all the brainwashed crap the BBC tries to ram down our throats about moving there.
Only the very wealthy can afford to live by the beach - most Aussies live in basic houses. Property is very very expensive there at the moment. Most Aussie work bloody hard and live miles from the beach.
This post bears repeating. Oz isn't some magical land where everything's great because of the weather.
This post bears repeating. Oz isn't some magical land where everything's great because of the weather.
I have some in-laws who decided to go and settle in Noosa, Queensland. We thought they'd love it - they're sport mad, millionaires, think anything cultural is for snobs and that there's nothing in England worth seeing and nowhere worth going, plus they hate cold weather.
Not excuses but reason why you shouldn't try and slag of Brits who emigrate in defence of what we get coming here, Brits living abroad tend not to be a burden that society would have to pay for.
No? What happens if they lose their job, become ill, get divorced etc? Or, based on their residency, manage to get various family members to join them who might well become a burden.
And when you look at some of the things people don't like about immigrants (being ghettoised, speaking their own language, keeping their own customs, eating their own kind of food, being, in many cases, a different colour....) that can also apply to Brits abroad.
I wasn't talking of population density and it's irrelevant to the point anyway.
So what did you mean by "...plenty of room there for more immigration"? The UK being a crowded country is a big argument for those against immigration.
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So after making your political view very clear and your open dislike of immigrants........you then state how you've always had 'a pipe dream of living in California'!!
So not only would you then be an immigrant yourself......you also want to live in the US state with the highest percentage of foreign immigrants!!! To be precise.....more than 10 million....and that was three years ago!
If not hypocrisy.....then it's undoubtedly ironic that you hold such double standards!
We are in the process of looking about to see where is suitable to go after we get married next year.
So not only would you then be an immigrant yourself......you also want to live in the US state with the highest percentage of foreign immigrants!!! To be precise.....more than 10 million....and that was three years ago!
If not hypocrisy.....then it's undoubtedly ironic that you hold such double standards![/QUOTE]
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How can 'Double standards' apply for anyone considering immigrating overseas
to a country that has a huge land mass, and they will be no burden on the state - being fully self supporting and not expecting to be freely housed , with free education, free health service, free interpreter services, free child allowances - and who knows how many other freebies, compared to one wishing to reside in the USA who will have to pass very stringent entry conditions and prove they are self supporting and will not be a burden on the state.
At least the citizens of the USA appear not to be suffering under a fecklish Govt that has signed its nation into an agreement with foreign powers that commits them to accepting everlasting non-stop mass immigration!
My ex and I had the opportunity to go out there and work in 2003 but the erstwhile Mr Lakie wouldn't countenance the idea, despite the fact that it was a no-risk option at a time when he was unemployed.
The current Mr Lakie is quite up for the idea of retiring over there (he doesn't have a job that can really be done overseas), but that depends on how things are for us financially. We'd want to keep a property here in case we needed to come back to live for any reason.
There's stuff we'd miss though. Proper beer, chalk downland, his family, the variety of the British landscape, swede (I'm reliably informed that you cannot buy swede in France, they consider it only suitable for cattle fodder), country pubs, the simplicity of a Saxon church.....
can`t argue with that, barring carrot and swede mash.
Life isn't better in the UK for some young Muslims and Skiths who are being forced into marriages against their will and in some cases are commiting suicide or abandoning their families to escape pain and abuse. Coming over to the UK for a better life doesn't work if your parents don't embrace any of the freedoms British culture has to offer, which is the reality for some young immigrants.
In the same way that British people moving to Spain or France won't be experiencing the downfalls of those countries that the poorest French or Spanish people experience.
Again, it's easy to make excuses when it's the Brits who want to go and live abroad.
(Also, if you're talking about the population density of California as a region of the USA, then California is about 50% more densely populated than Scotland, as a region of the UK. Perhaps people should emigrate north if they're really that worried about it! They speak English too up there.)
What about white indigenous Londoners? Where have they all gone? They are leaving inner city London in droves as they are now the minority, or putting their children into private education if they can afford it.
I'm from South London and moved to rural North Yorkshire. My white English child was marginalised in a South London "multi cultural school". She was the only one who spoke English as a first language and was just expected to get on with it, whilst the others were indulged with assistants etc. She was discriminated against and the school were more concerned with dealing with the "influx" and the headaches that come with that.
I've clearly stated before that I hold no grudge against immigrants on a personal level. If the law allows them to better themselves then go for it - any rational person would. I take issue with uncontrolled immigration into the UK via the EU.
The downsides are too great though. Theres no guarentee i could move there, no nhs means i would have to pay for all my prescriptions and treatment, putting my dog in quarentine and him travelling alone on the plane and the weather! When it snows it snows!
Other than the spiders/snakes & missing my british tv & music I would love it.
this country has gone to pot , it's hard to enjoy yourself & the rubbish weather doesn't help. I think we would have a better life over there on the whole. For us young folk life here is hopeless - it is existing not living. I would love to go to the beach everyday
But sadly a lottery win aside or saving till we are a hundred it is not going to happen. I am depressed now , it sounds so good
Sorry to crush your dreams, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land about Australia. get rid of all the brainwashed crap the BBC tries to ram down our throats about moving there.
Only the very wealthy can afford to live by the beach - most Aussies live in basic houses. Property is very very expensive there at the moment. Most Aussie work bloody hard and live miles from the beach.
Why can't you enjoy yourself for goodness sake? I'm sick of the people that blame this country for all their problems. Use some imagination. Its people like us that have lived abroad, that see the UK is actually a great place to live.
This country has managed to produce some of the most creative types in the world, in the arts, film, theatre, music , fashion, inventiveness - people that spent their childhoods in this "rain sodden hell hole". There is something special about the British environment and character that makes us world leaders in this area.
That's likely the case. I remember those TV programs with British people looking for nice cheap villas to do up in places such as Tuscany (and being extremely fussy too), and I was thinking that most youngish working Italians etc would probably have to settle for some cramped, noisy high-rise flat in a bad part of town.
The everyday realities of life are pretty much the same everywhere.
(Also I remember visiting an ex-pat British couple who actually lived a mile or so from a tropical beach, and they said they hadn't been for six months! Too busy working. Oh, and people who did live right by the beach tended to have their houses destroyed by the next hurricane.)
Not excuses but reason why you shouldn't try and slag of Brits who emigrate in defence of what we get coming here, Brits living abroad tend not to be a burden that society would have to pay for.
I wasn't talking of population density and it's irrelevant to the point anyway.
It's a great city; the people are friendly and it helps if you make an attempt to integrate (ie: learn the lingo). My French accent isn't perfect, but they get the gist. I do eat out a lot, but use lunches and dinners to socialise and meet new people.
I might move to Paris permanently, or just stay in London depending on what the employers think -- don't want to commute between two countries for a living.
This post bears repeating. Oz isn't some magical land where everything's great because of the weather.
You can't make proper pasties without swede!
I have some in-laws who decided to go and settle in Noosa, Queensland. We thought they'd love it - they're sport mad, millionaires, think anything cultural is for snobs and that there's nothing in England worth seeing and nowhere worth going, plus they hate cold weather.
They lasted a month, they absolutely hated it.
And when you look at some of the things people don't like about immigrants (being ghettoised, speaking their own language, keeping their own customs, eating their own kind of food, being, in many cases, a different colour....) that can also apply to Brits abroad.
So what did you mean by "...plenty of room there for more immigration"? The UK being a crowded country is a big argument for those against immigration.