Vaping 95% less harmful than smoking
sturcol
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/19/public-health-england-e-cigarettes-safer-than-smoking
Interesting article in today's Guardian.
Interesting article in today's Guardian.
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As a former smoker who used E cigs to help me stop I applaud the report. But I don't think the NHS should pay for them. If you can afford flags you can afford this form of substitute.
Also there is a report into the increased risk of cancer from even moderate drinking, yet there is never the same enthusiasm to stop people drinking, even though you stand more chance of being harmed from someone else's drinking.
not quite
I would not want to inhale any old chemicals. At least with normal cigarettes they are tested and you know what are in them.
And to put it on prescription means it has to be regulated and if it has to be regulated the costs of regulation have to be covered, so add some tax or duty to offset that and make a tidy government profit, and call it the "blame the smokers it is their fault fault legacy fund" or something.
The Public Health England findings dismiss that one already;
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454516/Ecigarettes_an_evidence_update_A_report_commissioned_by_Public_Health_England.pdf
edit: and ASH surveys used as part of the source material for the report, perhaps they had an advance copy.
5ml a day? That seems a lot- I was a 20-30 a day smoker, and I get through about 1ml a day...
I get through a little over 10 ml a week (I too smoked 20 - 30 weeny roll ups a day). However I think about 25% -30% of that is wasted as I fiddle around trying to get cartomisers to work properly.
Can I ask what equipment you use?
You would be in danger at 5ml a day.
Danger of not being able to see where you where going through the clouds.
Ha ha. I am new to vaping and I am bewildered by the cloud chasing fraternity. I don't understand why it matters how much vapour is released. I am amused and confused by the guys that set up their kit to emit huge clouds of vapour.
What is this all about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de320ToXWuI
I gave up smoking 4 years ago. I'm glad that I did.
Apart from me not liking the smell from it, I suffered from very bad headaches every time.
So I am against them regardless whether they are safe or not.
It is about mine is bigger than yours.
Mind I do need to be able to see some nice substantial wisps of vapour.
I have said much like the drivers doing the above, there's a time and place for everything and someone sitting in a pub blowing big clouds ruins it for most vapours.
In theory there's nothing really in the vapour, the amount of nicotine is less than what's found in a potato, it's mainly water vapour. The other products are found in inhalers, cough medicine etc.
And if you drink petrol that too can be as harmful as over-heating your e-juice. Don't do either and your will be safe.
Hard to see where that is any kind of argument: 'If you misuse a product and do with it something you shouldn't do and/or that it's not designed to do, then it could be dangerous.'
Well I'm off to drive my car across the English Channel; what could go wrong?
That is out of order; Like anything else people should not vape if it is causing discomfort to others. Sorry to hear about your experience of inconsiderate vaping.
Well yes of course it is or would be, assuming the e liquid contains nicotine. It is the nicotine that is the addictive substance in cigarettes. Ironically though although nicotine is the highly addictive element it is not in small doses the deadly element. The carcinogens etc come from the inhalation of combusted materials and certain additives put in cigarettes to ensure they burn evenly, don't go out, look presentable etc.
You can however buy nicotine free liquid. In fact this is easier and cheaper to obtain than the liquids with small levels of nicotine dissolved in them. So for someone who had never smoked who was attracted to vaping for the flavours or whatever reason, why would you opt for a liquid containing nicotine when you can easily have one without.
Nicotine is not like other recreational drugs. You get no high from nicotine. People don't start smoking looking for a high or any sort of feel good experience. I believe all the reasons for starting to smoke are social and psychological. But because the nicotine is there and so highly addictive for most people, you quickly get hooked on that even though it doesn't actually give you any pleasurable experience. Its more to do with avoiding the nagging, anxious, fidgety feeling you get without it that keeps one hooked I think.
Incidentally most people consume low levels of nicotine most days. Anyone who gets their five a day will also be consuming a small level of nicotine because it is in many plants that we commonly eat.