Has Dave honestly said gay marriages were immoral?
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I remember his convo with Josie where he said he wouldn't marry gay couples but on the highlights show, in some HM's nomination reasons, a few stated Dave had said "gay marriages were immoral". Can anyone confirm or deny this? I missed a few days of h/l so its possible i've not observed it but seeing as there hasn't been a forum meltdown I'm not so sure!
He said previously he had no problems with homosexual couples but personally he wouldn't marry them as its against his religion, don't think I heard the word morals
Did I miss something?
There's a very pertinent difference here, if Dave's fine with secular marriage and not 'religious marriage' then I cant see his attitude as homophobic, I'd put it down to dogma. But if, as I interpreted from the highlights, he has spoken again on gay marriage and said the idea of a gay couple is immoral, then I think that's pretty offensive - in which case I shall be voting him out, what a twerp :mad::mad:... Anyway just to repeat my point, did I miss something, has Dave spoken again on gay marriages? Or was it just his old conversation about him not marrying gay couples?
He said previously he had no problems with homosexual couples but personally he wouldn't marry them as its against his religion, don't think I heard the word morals
Did I miss something?
There's a very pertinent difference here, if Dave's fine with secular marriage and not 'religious marriage' then I cant see his attitude as homophobic, I'd put it down to dogma. But if, as I interpreted from the highlights, he has spoken again on gay marriage and said the idea of a gay couple is immoral, then I think that's pretty offensive - in which case I shall be voting him out, what a twerp :mad::mad:... Anyway just to repeat my point, did I miss something, has Dave spoken again on gay marriages? Or was it just his old conversation about him not marrying gay couples?
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If he disagrees with it due to religious reasons then whatever, each to their own - but what annoyed me was how he said it and to then think it OK to not justify or qualify his position?? I find that offensive and very arrogant to assume he has the right to judge how people like me should live and what rights we should have. That would earn him my nom anyways!
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It seems he was nominated for what he said last week, as far as I'm aware, which was piss poor of Josie and Ife.
He NEVER mentioned the word immoral. We must also remember how mischievous Josie was being at the time. She knew there were gay housemates within ear shot.
That's what made me do a double take, as that happened last week - perhaps it was more a case of them struggling to nominate ?
I think so. Quite poor of Josie, though, when she practically pulled it out of him. I thought Dave was almost as tactfull as he could possibly have been. I'd have given her short shrift.
Josie asks Dave if he would marry Ben and Mario. Dave says that he would not. "I'm not judgemental regarding it you know, I believe that Jesus loves everyone, but it's not something that I personally would be happy (to do)."
Dave says he doesn't want to get into it because it's a controversial topic, goes on to say "my interpretation of the scripture shows me clearly that in the sight of god homosexuality is wrong." Mario says he doesn't want to get married anyway.
This seems likely as more people (well, Ife) have said it than just Josie who used that reason to nominate him twice now.
There hasn't been much mention of his religion on the HLs and he gets his Bible everyday so that seems like an obvious conversation piece, no? (Don't watch LF so maybe I am completely off?)
Yep, exactly why I made this thread, right now I'm 50:50 on Dave but this will significantly affect his chances with me :eek::mad:
I don't believe in marriage at all, so them gays are well out of it.
Alot of Christians I know are for secular gay marriages but against 'religious' gay marriages, don't think its gay bashing, more a strict adherence to the text.
For Dave to say it is against his religion is something of a copout. If you do not think homosexuality is wrong then why would you absorb and teach a scripture that says that it is? In my view, by saying that he would not marry homosexuals, he is insinuating that homosexuality is in some way wrong, so essentially he is homophobic. Sure, he gets on with Mario well, but that doesn't mean to say that ultimately he thinks Mario's sexuality is wrong.
What difference does it make?
His religion is condemning everyone they label a sinner, or any non believer in eternal damnation.
However he wants to nit pick the tenets of his religion, and however he wants to avoid admitting in public that Mario, for example, will burn in Dave's Christian hell forever, it doesn't make much sense to focus on lesser details.
His religion is anti-social and sadistic at its core. Who cares if he thinks same sex marriage is moral or not?
he did mention the scriptures and something about in Gods eyes and God loves everyone but obivously not gays!
Why shouldn't Joise mention it as a reason to nom. It obviouslyy annoyed her and it's not like Dave will have changed his mind about that in a week. It's not like it was something Dave or said that he wouldn't normally say or do. I think she had a totally justifiable reason to nom him again on this - as she doesn't agree with him and doesn't like it!
He is homophobic. He said (I posted above, but these are the pertinent words):
"my interpretation of the scripture shows me clearly that in the sight of god homosexuality is wrong."
Yeah, well I really didn't want to get into a religious debate about gay marriages (personally i'm agnostic so i couldn't give a flying fck) I thought I missed something, seems to me from the response I didnt.
About Josie, I'm thinking more along the lines that she is struggling to nom anyone and so is picking poor reasons.Historically, the early noms tend to be pretty sketchy.
Exactly they all want him out for many reasons, I feel some are usuing this as a way to not go into other factors they dislike about him. Also it will appear beneficial in the eyes of the public.