Why does she always have to have her mother hanging about with her?
Pics from saturday....Cheryl steps out with her new guy....mother five feet behind as usual. It's a bit bizarre.
Her mother was supporting her daughter for BGT.. That's what families do.. Her brother was there as well. She's not with her all the time! Unless you are?
Cheryl stated in her biography that her mother had a separate house to her and Ashley when they were living together. I imagine the same to be the case now that she's split from him.
I suppose some might think like that. I don't see anything wrong with a mother having a house very close to her daughter and husband. She wasn't living with them.
Quoting a lot of my posts in this thread in order to make a negative post towards me doesn't really bother me.
Because, apparently, disliking, or not finding someone who happens to have a vagina supremely talented is equatable to jellusy, hatred, bitterness, misogyny et al. Everyone who criticises our Chezza is a 40 stone spinster who doesn't appreciate how difficult it is to mime in a pair of harem trousers to a manufactured backing track and spout lots of platitudes like 'you're reet up my street' to contenstants they mentor on a 'talent' show.
Actually, I don't mind Cheryl. She's not the only manufactured popstar in the world and she won't be the last and fair play to her for making so much out of so little talent.
But let's be real here - everyone has celebrities they like and dislike and everyone's opinions are valid. If the only contribution people can make is to criticise other FM's and tar them all with the same brush, it doesn't say much about their intellectual prowess or rationale.
I share your view. In fact sometimes the extreme ignorance displayed by the "jellusy" brigade is highly amusing.
As I understand it when married she would on legal stuff be Cheryl Cole nee Tweedy
So it would follow that divorced she would be The former Mrs Cole
Having said that she can keep it as her stage name
As I said in my preevious post I was being as tongue in cheek about it as the poster who brought it up in the first place
At the end of the day it's of no importance what her name is or was the thread is really about her talent and temperament and surfeit (Overabundance) or lack of 😄 ..
Not necessarily, my friend's mum got divorced and still kept her married name.
I'm shocked to find that Ms Cole is an ambassador to L'Oreal, the French comestics company who are responsible for conducting chemical experiments on animals such as baboons in their laboratories. She doesn't get my respects for this!
Actually, that's why I have no time for her or indeed anyone who advertises for that company. I have never bought anything from them and never will. I am and always have been of the opinion that anyone who accepts jobs and fees from them is devoid of any moral conscience.
As for Ms Cole herself as a person, I couldn't care less. I have no feelings about her other than the disdain that any advocate of L'Oreal engenders from me.
Because, apparently, disliking, or not finding someone who happens to have a vagina supremely talented is equatable to jellusy, hatred, bitterness, misogyny et al. Everyone who criticises our Chezza is a 40 stone spinster who doesn't appreciate how difficult it is to mime in a pair of harem trousers to a manufactured backing track and spout lots of platitudes like 'you're reet up my street' to contenstants they mentor on a 'talent' show.
And to offer the obvious counter argument - everyone who doesn't criticise our Chezza is not "riding to the rescue", in love with her, a fan, defending her or 'white knighting'.
But let's be real here - everyone has celebrities they like and dislike and everyone's opinions are valid. If the only contribution people can make is to criticise other FM's and tar them all with the same brush, it doesn't say much about their intellectual prowess or rationale.
I can certainly accept this, absolutely. But your last sentence is somewhat of an example as to why the issue tends to blow up more often than not. And I'm not specifically talking about Cole either, but the general treatment of many female celebrities in Showbiz.
While I do understand where you're coming from, it's little digs like that which, clearly, do come from both sides of the fence that tend to exacerbate the situation IMO. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly guilty of more than a few digs myself, but more often than not it's born out of annoyance at having the same accusations levelled at me over and over again.
Which, again, I don't doubt applies to both sides.
Thing is, I really don't think there'll ever be a happy medium though. I think, like it or not, certain female celebrities and the showbiz forum will always be a fractious topic.
And to offer the obvious counter argument - everyone who doesn't criticise our Chezza is not "riding to the rescue", in love with her, a fan, defending her or 'white knighting'.
I can certainly accept this, absolutely. But your last sentence is somewhat of an example as to why the issue tends to blow up more often than not. And I'm not specifically talking about Cole either, but the general treatment of many female celebrities in Showbiz.
While I do understand where you're coming from, it's little digs like that which, clearly, do come from both sides of the fence that tend to exacerbate the situation IMO. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly guilty of more than a few digs myself, but more often than not it's born out of annoyance at having the same accusations levelled at me over and over again.
Which, again, I don't doubt applies to both sides.
Thing is, I really don't think there'll ever be a happy medium though. I think, like it or not, certain female celebrities and the showbiz forum will always be a fractious topic.
Never suggested thus.
BUT - just as some see some sort of 'bitchy crusade' against female celebs being indicative of a certain type of FM, on the other side of the coin, there are also those FM's who persist in posting thus without offering much of an opinion on the female celeb(s) in question and simply charging in and criticising fellow FM's if they offer an opinion which might be anathema to them.
I actually don't think there's anything wrong with my last sentence. In actual fact, making personal digs at FM's IS against forum T&C's - especially when no other 'debate' or opinion is offered. As a recent example, a lot of FM's copped a massive load of flak on a thread about Danielle Lloyd. We were accused of 'enjoying the fact that she was racist' being 'bitter' and 'jellus'. But none of these protagonists actually seemed to have an opinion about Ms Lloyd herself. As she was the subject of the thread, this did seem somewhat surprising - and rather tiresome and potentially O/T.
Similarly, with Cole (who I don't mind as I have said previously), we again get told that we are 'always' criticising her blah blah blah. But no opinion is elicited. IMHO, this makes the charge less intellectually stable and more just about having a dig.
BUT - just as some see some sort of 'bitchy crusade' against female celebs being indicative of a certain type of FM, on the other side of the coin, there are also those FM's who persist in posting thus without offering much of an opinion on the female celeb(s) in question and simply charging in and criticising fellow FM's if they offer an opinion which might be anathema to them.
I actually don't think there's anything wrong with my last sentence. In actual fact, making personal digs at FM's IS against forum T&C's - especially when no other 'debate' or opinion is offered. As a recent example, a lot of FM's copped a massive load of flak on a thread about Danielle Lloyd. We were accused of 'enjoying the fact that she was racist' being 'bitter' and 'jellus'. But none of these protagonists actually seemed to have an opinion about Ms Lloyd herself. As she was the subject of the thread, this did seem somewhat surprising - and rather tiresome and potentially O/T.
Similarly, with Cole (who I don't mind as I have said previously), we again get told that we are 'always' criticising her blah blah blah. But no opinion is elicited. IMHO, this makes the charge less intellectually stable and more just about having a dig.
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Where have I posted a personal insult about another forum member in this thread? Anyway, I can't bothered with this anymore.
What articles? Again, I'm not going to go looking through the millions of pages that appear to look for the right one.
Yes, they can be. It's called gossip. Do you think blind items tell the truth if they rehash similar stories about one particular celebrity?
As I said there are plenty of articles many by people and friends she knew worked with and who grew up with her some are gossip but many aren't
As for the court appearance that most certainly Is FACT
COURT PROCEEDINGS ARE PUBLIC RECORD
SHE WAS CONVICTED
the opening post was asking the question why she's not liked
I and many others have replied politely and courteously
ITS NOT MY PLACE TO PERSONALLY SELECT ITEMS FOR YOU ..and even if I did not doubt you'd find fault with them anyway wouldn't you ???
COULD IT BE IF YOU LOOK YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND ???
But as it's becoming increasingly obvious we are going around in circles this is my last post on the subject
As I said there are plenty of articles many by people and friends she knew worked with and who grew up with her some are gossip but many aren't
As for the court appearance that most certainly Is FACT
COURT PROCEEDINGS ARE PUBLIC RECORD SHE WAS CONVICTED
the opening post was asking the question why she's not liked
I and many others have replied politely and courteously
But as it's becoming increasingly obvious we are going around in circles this is my last post on the subject
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She was cleared of the racially aggravated part of the assault and convicted of assault.
That is a fact.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/oct/21/helencarter
I have.
It would seem not.
Funny how you're not putting down what she was supposed to have said.
what does biffa mean?
CC's nickname on here for punching the toilet attendant.
Her mother was supporting her daughter for BGT.. That's what families do.. Her brother was there as well. She's not with her all the time! Unless you are?
Not a single post on topic.
Just constant criticism of fms. >:( >:(
Imho CC is a nasty piece of work who got lucky.
Cannot understand how she managed it.
Then you've obviously not looked properly.
Quoting a lot of my posts in this thread in order to make a negative post towards me doesn't really bother me.
You've also made some off-topic posts as well.
Threads don't always stay exactly on topic. All the forums on here that I've posted on, the threads have always went off-topic at times.
I share your view. In fact sometimes the extreme ignorance displayed by the "jellusy" brigade is highly amusing.
Not necessarily, my friend's mum got divorced and still kept her married name.
No she didn't and no they didn't. I'm sure they forced her to have a relationship with Tre, another black man too didn't they.
By the way, where did I criticise forum members in the first quote in your post?
Actually, that's why I have no time for her or indeed anyone who advertises for that company. I have never bought anything from them and never will. I am and always have been of the opinion that anyone who accepts jobs and fees from them is devoid of any moral conscience.
As for Ms Cole herself as a person, I couldn't care less. I have no feelings about her other than the disdain that any advocate of L'Oreal engenders from me.
And to offer the obvious counter argument - everyone who doesn't criticise our Chezza is not "riding to the rescue", in love with her, a fan, defending her or 'white knighting'.
I can certainly accept this, absolutely. But your last sentence is somewhat of an example as to why the issue tends to blow up more often than not. And I'm not specifically talking about Cole either, but the general treatment of many female celebrities in Showbiz.
While I do understand where you're coming from, it's little digs like that which, clearly, do come from both sides of the fence that tend to exacerbate the situation IMO. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly guilty of more than a few digs myself, but more often than not it's born out of annoyance at having the same accusations levelled at me over and over again.
Which, again, I don't doubt applies to both sides.
Thing is, I really don't think there'll ever be a happy medium though. I think, like it or not, certain female celebrities and the showbiz forum will always be a fractious topic.
I say criticise, but I would say more pointing things out.
Never suggested thus.
BUT - just as some see some sort of 'bitchy crusade' against female celebs being indicative of a certain type of FM, on the other side of the coin, there are also those FM's who persist in posting thus without offering much of an opinion on the female celeb(s) in question and simply charging in and criticising fellow FM's if they offer an opinion which might be anathema to them.
I actually don't think there's anything wrong with my last sentence. In actual fact, making personal digs at FM's IS against forum T&C's - especially when no other 'debate' or opinion is offered. As a recent example, a lot of FM's copped a massive load of flak on a thread about Danielle Lloyd. We were accused of 'enjoying the fact that she was racist' being 'bitter' and 'jellus'. But none of these protagonists actually seemed to have an opinion about Ms Lloyd herself. As she was the subject of the thread, this did seem somewhat surprising - and rather tiresome and potentially O/T.
Similarly, with Cole (who I don't mind as I have said previously), we again get told that we are 'always' criticising her blah blah blah. But no opinion is elicited. IMHO, this makes the charge less intellectually stable and more just about having a dig.
What articles? Again, I'm not going to go looking through the millions of pages that appear to look for the right one.
Yes, they can be. It's called gossip. Do you think blind items tell the truth if they rehash similar stories about one particular celebrity?
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Where have I posted a personal insult about another forum member in this thread? Anyway, I can't bothered with this anymore.
As I said there are plenty of articles many by people and friends she knew worked with and who grew up with her some are gossip but many aren't
As for the court appearance that most certainly Is FACT
COURT PROCEEDINGS ARE PUBLIC RECORD
SHE WAS CONVICTED
the opening post was asking the question why she's not liked
I and many others have replied politely and courteously
ITS NOT MY PLACE TO PERSONALLY SELECT ITEMS FOR YOU ..and even if I did not doubt you'd find fault with them anyway wouldn't you ???
COULD IT BE IF YOU LOOK YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND ???
But as it's becoming increasingly obvious we are going around in circles this is my last post on the subject
Of assault, not anything to do with racism.