I have absolutely no problem with transsexuals - I'm all for doing what you want to make you happy as life is too short - I'm just not sure posing in a basque on the front cover of Vanity Fair is the right way to go about introducing yourself for the first time!
Well, a few of the comments on this thread are a tad ignorant.
I think she looks great. I cannot imagine what a prison life must be to born feeling that you are the wrong gender.
Exactly. I hate when people boohoo it. Lucky you if you feel you have the right body to your mind, it must be living hell to never feel comfortable with your gender. Right from babies we're conditioned to fit into our respective gender roles, blue for boys and pink for girls, barbies and kens, from jobs, love life and even which toilet you enter you wouldn't be able to get away from feeling tortured about not being the gender your mind is. People need to step back and think what a horrible existence that must be before judging.
Anyhoo, she looks a lot more convincing than I imagined, i'm really impressed. If this brings her ultimate happiness who is anyone to argue with that?
I crack up at the dentists now with all the options you have for gender. That is the reality how screwed up it has become.
So are you saying gay people are screwed up .too.? Transgender is not something people choose just as we don't choose to be gay or straight, black white etc. Isn't it better we have options now on forms rather than these people be marginalised through no fault of their own! Must be a shit childhood as it is without prejudice on top!!
You made extremely ignorant comments about transsexual people because of some supposed psychologists making assumptions about a complete stranger
Why?
Apologies if you found my comments ignorant. That wasn't at all my intention and I probably could have articulated what I wanted to say better. To answer your question, Maybe because being psychologists I perhaps naively assumed
they knew what they were talking about and the article did seem quite assertive so it did make me think. Doesn't mean what I think is right - if anyone was to provide me with any other links which contradict what these articles say and are thought provoking, then I would be happy to read them and reevaluate my initial view
I agree with posters who say she looks like a brunette Jessica Lange and quite frankly is better looking than Kris!
I understand it must be hard for the family to come to terms with (especially the Jenner girls), but at the end of the day, it's what Caitlyn wants and it's visibly obvious how much happier she seems in herself now. May this be a beacon of light for the many people struggling with their gender identity, Caitlyn is a truly brave inspiration.
I agree with posters who say she looks like a brunette Jessica Lange and quite frankly is better looking than Kris!
I understand it must be hard for the family to come to terms with (especially the Jenner girls), but at the end of the day, it's what Caitlyn wants and it's visibly obvious how much happier she seems in herself now. May this be a beacon of light for the many people struggling with their gender identity, Caitlyn is a truly brave inspiration.
But she's enhanced to buggery and looks nothing like that in reality.
Had Annie Leibovitz actually photographed the reality of her as she now is, and Jenner was brave eough to put it out there, then yes, possibly a beacon of light. As it is, both she and Jenner are presenting a totally false image for the sole purpose of enhancing her and Jenner's bank account.
But she's enhanced to buggery and looks nothing like that in reality.
Had Annie Leibovitz actually photographed the reality of her as she now is, and Jenner was brave eough to put it out there, then yes, possibly a beacon of light. As it is, both she and Jenner are presenting a totally false image for the sole purpose of enhancing her and Jenner's bank account.
Revealing yourself after something like this is a huge thing and yes I'd want to look as amazing as possible - even if I was airbrushed to within an inch of my life!!
If Annie had photographed her in the reality of how she looks now she wouldn't be hailed a beacon of light she'd be ripped to pieces. She must be feeling pretty vulnerable - why make it any worse.
To any negative comments, you should all be very thankful your not trans.
I am. Semi-closeted. It a living hell.
When they say 'I'm trapped In the wrong body'. that's not a metaphor. My body feels alien to me, I find certain aspects, like needing a shave, give me a severe depression.
If catalin's happy, god bless. I hope I can be as happy In the future...
She looks lovely, and although I have no time for her and her reality TV extended family, she is doing a great service for trans people everywhere, the publicity is all good, and raises awareness. I hope she, and all transgender people find happiness and peace.
Some of the uneducated comments on here are a bit shocking.
I have absolutely no problem with transsexuals - I'm all for doing what you want to make you happy as life is too short - I'm just not sure posing in a basque on the front cover of Vanity Fair is the right way to go about introducing yourself for the first time!
I agree. I really don't have problem with transgender people and think it is really important in life to be who we want to be. We have a right to be ourselves. However - why does everything with this family have to be so attention seeking and high profile. That's the aspect I can't stand. I don't think he looks beautiful either. That's not a criticism of him for being a transgender person - that's a criticism of how he looks. Have seen photos of transgender men who are really beautiful and he isn't.
I agree. I really don't have problem with transgender people and think it is really important in life to be who we want to be. We have a right to be ourselves. However - why does everything with this family have to be so attention seeking and high profile. That's the aspect I can't stand. I don't think he looks beautiful either. That's not a criticism of him for being a transgender person - that's a criticism of how he looks. Have seen photos of transgender men who are really beautiful and he isn't.
The fact that you continually use male pronouns and even "transgender men" whilst talking about her says otherwise.
The fact that you continually use male pronouns and even "transgender men" whilst talking about her says otherwise.
Don't tell me what I think. After all my years on earth I am fully aware of what I feel about a situation . Its just human error - I have witnessed Bruce as a man for 10 years or so - and it takes an adjustment for all of us to suddenly accept he is now a she.
I agree. I really don't have problem with transgender people and think it is really important in life to be who we want to be. We have a right to be ourselves. However - why does everything with this family have to be so attention seeking and high profile. That's the aspect I can't stand. I don't think he looks beautiful either. That's not a criticism of him for being a transgender person - that's a criticism of how he looks. Have seen photos of transgender men who are really beautiful and he isn't.
Look, I can't stand this man and his idiot family, and I particularly can't stand the manner in which he has milked this to the hilt for attention and money - but your comment above re those who find themselves in the wrong body is seriously ignorant.
Buy a clue and read up about it.
I think that's a little harsh, I don't think the poster has insulted transgender people but raised a valid question.
The attempted suicide/ suicide rates among transgender (pre and post op) are frightening, in the general population suicide rates are between 1 - 2 % amongst transgender to jumps to nearly 40%
Now I don't have any problem with sex changes at all, if changing your gender makes you happy then I'm all for it.
But the suicide rates of post-op transgender people suggests there may be something more psychological beneath it all.
And if the surgery ultimately doesn't help people accept themselves, surely looking at the psycho-social aspect is just as important as physically altering yourself.
When 40%(!) of a group of people are attempting suicide, it's horrific and needs to be looked at.
I know a lot of people are Kardashian haters - I actually like them - and I think their reaction to Bruce in last weekends double bill was loving and accepting. I think they should be proud of themselves and Bruce/Caitlyn should be proud of what he is doing for a marginalized community.
Yes, they milk the fame, but so what. Get over it.
Her son's dating a woman named Kaitlynn so that may have played a part .
Possibly, although I think she chose the name she liked and which resonated with her, rather than trying to avoid another spelling because of her son's latest girlfriend.
Also the whole K thing was probably a further reflection of Kris's controlling ways which fitted her ex husbands surname. Caitlin even named her own daughters in that way I.e Kendal and Kylie even though she has nothing to do with Robert Kardashian Sr.
I think it's all very well and good, a lot of posters on here are cheering for this person,saying how proud he should be and how beautiful he now looks as a woman. At the end of the day, I doubt anyone will be involved in this persons life, so it doesn't matter what anyone thinks really, but I'll be interested to know, if a group of women were sat around the table all talking about the usual stuff along with a few drinks, and a transgender woman was sat there as well, who only 6 months ago used to be a man.
Is there noone on here that is going to admit to feeling a bit odd about this? And would you speak to them in exactly the same way, or would the fact that they used to be a man enter your head at all....
I have no experience of this, don't know anyone who's gone from a man to a woman and vice versa, and the fact is, it is well beyond me and I just don't understand it.
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Is there anything whatsoever that is kept private nowadays?
What new 'trend' of celebs undergoing sex changes would that be? I can think of two people over the space of two years.
Hardly a trend.
Compared to none before that....
Well then, confine your comments to Bruce Jenner instead of ignorantly generalising about transgender people at large.
Exactly. I hate when people boohoo it. Lucky you if you feel you have the right body to your mind, it must be living hell to never feel comfortable with your gender. Right from babies we're conditioned to fit into our respective gender roles, blue for boys and pink for girls, barbies and kens, from jobs, love life and even which toilet you enter you wouldn't be able to get away from feeling tortured about not being the gender your mind is. People need to step back and think what a horrible existence that must be before judging.
Anyhoo, she looks a lot more convincing than I imagined, i'm really impressed. If this brings her ultimate happiness who is anyone to argue with that?
You made extremely ignorant comments about transsexual people because of some supposed psychologists making assumptions about a complete stranger
Why?
So are you saying gay people are screwed up .too.? Transgender is not something people choose just as we don't choose to be gay or straight, black white etc. Isn't it better we have options now on forms rather than these people be marginalised through no fault of their own! Must be a shit childhood as it is without prejudice on top!!
Apologies if you found my comments ignorant. That wasn't at all my intention and I probably could have articulated what I wanted to say better. To answer your question, Maybe because being psychologists I perhaps naively assumed
they knew what they were talking about and the article did seem quite assertive so it did make me think. Doesn't mean what I think is right - if anyone was to provide me with any other links which contradict what these articles say and are thought provoking, then I would be happy to read them and reevaluate my initial view
I agree with posters who say she looks like a brunette Jessica Lange and quite frankly is better looking than Kris!
I understand it must be hard for the family to come to terms with (especially the Jenner girls), but at the end of the day, it's what Caitlyn wants and it's visibly obvious how much happier she seems in herself now. May this be a beacon of light for the many people struggling with their gender identity, Caitlyn is a truly brave inspiration.
The 1950s are calling. They want you back.
Had Annie Leibovitz actually photographed the reality of her as she now is, and Jenner was brave eough to put it out there, then yes, possibly a beacon of light. As it is, both she and Jenner are presenting a totally false image for the sole purpose of enhancing her and Jenner's bank account.
Revealing yourself after something like this is a huge thing and yes I'd want to look as amazing as possible - even if I was airbrushed to within an inch of my life!!
If Annie had photographed her in the reality of how she looks now she wouldn't be hailed a beacon of light she'd be ripped to pieces. She must be feeling pretty vulnerable - why make it any worse.
I am. Semi-closeted. It a living hell.
When they say 'I'm trapped In the wrong body'. that's not a metaphor. My body feels alien to me, I find certain aspects, like needing a shave, give me a severe depression.
If catalin's happy, god bless. I hope I can be as happy In the future...
Some of the uneducated comments on here are a bit shocking.
I do wonder if NOT spelling it with a K is saying something...
I agree. I really don't have problem with transgender people and think it is really important in life to be who we want to be. We have a right to be ourselves. However - why does everything with this family have to be so attention seeking and high profile. That's the aspect I can't stand. I don't think he looks beautiful either. That's not a criticism of him for being a transgender person - that's a criticism of how he looks. Have seen photos of transgender men who are really beautiful and he isn't.
Her son's dating a woman named Kaitlynn so that may have played a part in the spelling.
The fact that you continually use male pronouns and even "transgender men" whilst talking about her says otherwise.
Don't tell me what I think. After all my years on earth I am fully aware of what I feel about a situation . Its just human error - I have witnessed Bruce as a man for 10 years or so - and it takes an adjustment for all of us to suddenly accept he is now a she.
Is this the new "I have a gay friend" ?
I think that's a little harsh, I don't think the poster has insulted transgender people but raised a valid question.
The attempted suicide/ suicide rates among transgender (pre and post op) are frightening, in the general population suicide rates are between 1 - 2 % amongst transgender to jumps to nearly 40%
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/
And there is a lot of respected psychiatrists that see it as a form of body dismorphic disorder:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120
Now I don't have any problem with sex changes at all, if changing your gender makes you happy then I'm all for it.
But the suicide rates of post-op transgender people suggests there may be something more psychological beneath it all.
And if the surgery ultimately doesn't help people accept themselves, surely looking at the psycho-social aspect is just as important as physically altering yourself.
When 40%(!) of a group of people are attempting suicide, it's horrific and needs to be looked at.
I know a lot of people are Kardashian haters - I actually like them - and I think their reaction to Bruce in last weekends double bill was loving and accepting. I think they should be proud of themselves and Bruce/Caitlyn should be proud of what he is doing for a marginalized community.
Yes, they milk the fame, but so what. Get over it.
Possibly, although I think she chose the name she liked and which resonated with her, rather than trying to avoid another spelling because of her son's latest girlfriend.
Also the whole K thing was probably a further reflection of Kris's controlling ways which fitted her ex husbands surname. Caitlin even named her own daughters in that way I.e Kendal and Kylie even though she has nothing to do with Robert Kardashian Sr.
ETA he used the name since childhood apparently
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3106591/I-mistreated-Caitlyn-Jenner-marriage-controlling-Kris-Jenner-matriarch-brands-ex-passive-aggressive.html
Is there noone on here that is going to admit to feeling a bit odd about this? And would you speak to them in exactly the same way, or would the fact that they used to be a man enter your head at all....
I have no experience of this, don't know anyone who's gone from a man to a woman and vice versa, and the fact is, it is well beyond me and I just don't understand it.