Hahaha yes I think we will, I have VERY strong views about that woman. It would be just about bearable if she could actually sing, but she just sounds like a drugged up alien when she goes on stage. She's a glorified puppet and porn star in many ways, promoting sexualisation and being a man's plaything to all the little girls who are the next generation. Disgusting. God help them.
But yeah I'm with you regarding Rough Copy, I think that's where they will shine most, when they're performing within their comfort zone - isn't that the case for pretty much anyone in any profession? But saying that I do like to see people push their boundaries too, that's what growth is all about, you know? But yeah, I see them in the finals too. Tamera and Hannah too.
Sam Bailey is pretty special too actually, her rendition of Celine's classic (which by the way, I can sing, but STRUGGLE on that last chorus) was pretty damn impressive. Although I'm now tempted to go and check if she sang it in the same key as the original. Me and my "keys", eh? Lol. Was a wicked performance though, kinda been rooting for her from the beginning tbh. Her accapella of Listen blew me away.
I would say a lot worse things about Rihanna (in my top 3 worst singers ever along with Cher Lloyd and Cheryl Cole) and her extremely delusional fans but I won't bother tbh.
I like Hannah, Tamera, Rough Copy and Sam B. Sam B is a wonderful singer IMO...at least Rough Copy went outside their comfort zone in the 1st 3 weeks and I rate them for it and even admitted that they didn't sing well last week which was really good of them. But now it's time for them to do R+B songs coz that's their comfort zone.
You're quite rude aren't you? Why to me in particular? on the assumption of my nationality, you are only 50% correct.
May I ask what the blank is? I'd like to know what exactly you're implying about me and my perceptions of confident (blank) girls? Please tell me.
Let me put your mind at ease,Your snap judgement of me is unfortunate as I have one of the highest levels of confidence of anyone my age. I have no problem with confident girls, being that I myself am confident and female!. I am a very intelligent, pretty attractive, popular young woman myself. I'm good at most things and I'm funny.
I dislike her persona because to me she comes across as insincere. Her past behaviour seems pretty low to me and her apologises a little last minute, which to me seems like sorry i got caught rather than sorry it happened. The whole thing with the church made me think she was fake. I like her voice, as a person I find her hard to like.She might be a total delight but until that comes across I can only judge what I see.
How arrogant...omg.
When someone has to tell people they're funny, they're usually not.
As I've said, it happens all the time. Confident girls are never liked by the UK public, as they are threatened by how much of an extrovert they are.
Alexandra Burke, Misha B, Tamera and some even have problems with Hannah, even though she's tried to become less talkative to please the public.
I don't understand that. Surely Nina Simone would sing in a different key to Sarah Brightman for example.
That poster is just wrong. Every voice is different, and every range is different. A singer has to sing the song in a key that suits them and is within their range to avoid damage to the vocals.
That poster is just wrong. Every voice is different, and every range is different. A singer has to sing the song in a key that suits them and is within their range to avoid damage to the vocals.
No, to avoid "damage to the vocals" a singer has to "sing a song" that is "within their range". If they "choose" to sing a song that is "not within their range", by "taking it down a few keys", real singers will "pick up on that" and lose respect for that singer as an overall artist.
Anyone heard P!nk's version of Girl on Fire by A Keys? No, I didn't think so.
Look it up and tell me whether she changed the key.
No, to avoid "damage to the vocals" a singer has to "sing a song" that is "within their range". If they "choose" to sing a song that is "not within their range", by "taking it down a few keys", real singers will "pick up on that" and lose respect for that singer as an overall artist.
Anyone heard P!nk's version of Girl on Fire by A Keys? No, I didn't think so.
Look it up and tell me whether she changed the key.
I rest my case.
Right...so I guess Beyoncé was wrong for lowering the key of If I Were A Boy from the original BC Jean version. I guess she's not a real singer.
Right...so I guess Beyoncé was wrong for lowering the key of If I Were A Boy from the original BC Jean version. I guess she's not a real singer.
Not at all, I think it's okay to do so if it's your own song. Because at least we all know that you CAN sing it in the original key. Singers like Beyonce, like Xtina, like Mariah, have been going for years so I appreciate that they tend to use live vocals and/or change up the key to better suit their voice.
However, that's cool. It's their song. Don't come to me praising someone who sings a cover version of someone else's song, 2 keys down. Because I will just laugh at you.
When someone has to tell people they're funny, they're usually not.
As I've said, it happens all the time. Confident girls are never liked by the UK public, as they are threatened by how much of an extrovert they are.
Alexandra Burke, Misha B, Tamera and some even have problems with Hannah, even though she's tried to become less talkative to please the public.
The cycle will never stop.
You're a complete hypocrite.
You tell me I am "jealous of Tamera cause she's confident" then when I reassure you I am confident in myself, you call me arrogant. Don't worry my confidence is high, I don't care if you think I'm not *whatever*.
Hannah is one of my favourites, you don't have a clue what you're talking about about.
And you ignored my question what does the blank space mean?
Not at all, I think it's okay to do so if it's your own song. Because at least we all know that you CAN sing it in the original key. Singers like Beyonce, like Xtina, like Mariah, have been going for years so I appreciate that they tend to use live vocals and/or change up the key to better suit their voice.
However, that's cool. It's their song. Don't come to me praising someone who sings a cover version of someone else's song, 2 keys down. Because I will just laugh at you.
That is basically my point.
If I Were A Boy is someone else's song. It's not Beyoncé's song, somebody else wrote it for their album, not Beyoncé's album. Beyoncé heard the song and took it, recorded it in a different key and put it on her album.
There is a huge double standard to what you are saying and to be honest the point doesn't hold much weight at all.
If I Were A Boy is someone else's song. It's not Beyoncé's song, somebody else wrote it for their album, not Beyoncé's album. Beyoncé heard the song and took it, recorded it in a different key and put it on her album.
There is a huge double standard to what you are saying and to be honest the point doesn't hold much weight at all.
Looooool you're deviating from the point.
If I Were A Boy IS Beyonce's song if the song was written for someone else but eventually given to her. I don't care if the original was recorded in a different key, because I can bet you the £20 note in my purse that Beyonce's is on a higher key than this original, am I right??
Of course I am. Beyonce's vocal has capabilities beyond most people's understanding, so I'd be very shocked to learn that she took it down instead of up.
Where is the double standard in what I am saying and what are you failing to understand about my point of artists singing songs keys down from the original is a COP OUT.
What don't you understand about that simple analysis??
If I Were A Boy IS Beyonce's song if the song was written for someone else but eventually given to her. I don't care if the original was recorded in a different key, because I can bet you the £20 note in my purse that Beyonce's is on a higher key than this original, am I right??
Of course I am. Beyonce's vocal has capabilities beyond most people's understanding, so I'd be very shocked to learn that she took it down instead of up.
Where is the double standard in what I am saying and what are you failing to understand about my point of artists singing songs keys down from the original is a COP OUT.
What don't you understand about that simple analysis??
It's not a cop out if it's outside of their range. An artist has to put their own spin on a song in a way that is comfortable to them. Would Toni Braxton be wrong for lowering the key of I Will Always Love You if she wanted to cover it? No. As long as the emotion and technical ability is there, a good song can be pulled off by a talented vocalist in all manner of keys. That is my point.
It's not a cop out if it's outside of their range. An artist has to put their own spin on a song in a way that is comfortable to them. Would Toni Braxton be wrong for lowering the key of I Will Always Love You if she wanted to cover it? No. As long as the emotion and technical ability is there, a good song can be pulled off by a talented vocalist in all manner of keys. That is my point.
Loooooooool alright alright, you win that one! After I clicked send, I YouTubed the original and you are right.
I understand what you're saying about an artist putting their own spin on a song, and I'm not sure if it is in a different key but Monica's cover of Mary J's Not Gon' Cry is a perfect example. I'm totally with you about putting one's own spin on it and I'm guessing what you're trying to say to me may be that singing in the original key contributes to sounding too much like the original artist, which I'm not down for at all.
But I think my point is, I Will Always Love You is a great example because.. Not many CAN sing it in the original key. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yes, for the purpose of displaying emotion and moving a crowd, go ahead and take it down a few keys if it better suits your vocal.
BUT, don't expect a singer like myself, who has trained their own vocal with no outside help, singing songs like I Will Always Love You, in the original key, and stretching the crap out of my vocal until my range increased and I could successfully sing it - don't expect me to respect you as an artist and clap really loud because.. All that I think is, could I sing it in the original key? And if the answer is yes, I'm reaching for that remote.
And yes, I guess that's where I can admit that I may be a lot more judgemental than your average person. Whether that's right or wrong I don't know but that's me and that's how I push myself to be a better vocalist.
BUT, don't expect a singer like myself, who has trained their own vocal with no outside help, singing songs like I Will Always Love You, in the original key, and stretching the crap out of my vocal until my range increased and I could successfully sing it - don't expect me to respect you as an artist and clap really loud because.. All that I think is, could I sing it in the original key? And if the answer is yes, I'm reaching for that remote.
And yes, I guess that's where I can admit that I may be a lot more judgemental than your average person. Whether that's right or wrong I don't know but that's me and that's how I push myself to be a better vocalist.
I get your point but I just think you need to be careful with that point of view. You may have had no formal training but every vocalist has a limit and it pays dividends, especially in later life, to know what those limits are, as Mariah is finding out now.
It's better not to damage your vocals or wear them out excessively for the principle of singing a song in the original key because once vocals are damaged, it's very hard to get them back, if at all.
I get your point but I just think you need to be careful with that point of view. You may have had no formal training but every vocalist has a limit and it pays dividends, especially in later life, to know what those limits are, as Mariah is finding out now.
It's better not to damage your vocals or wear them out excessively for the principle of singing a song in the original key because once vocals are damaged, it's very hard to get them back, if at all.
Thank you for your advice and I know that you are right about that anyway - I think Jessie J , as good as she is, is a perfect example of this. I don't like to think what her voice may be like 10 years from now. And yes, Mariah is a perfect example.
I appreciate what you're saying and I respect your point of view - you are focusing more on the feeling and emotion delivered through the vocal, rather than seeking to be impressed by range or melismas. And I'm totally down with that.
I guess the singer side of me seeks to impress as well as inject emotion into a performance, and maybe that is a mistake of mine or something that I may need to look at in depth.
Thank you for your advice and I know that you are right about that anyway - I think Jessie J , as good as she is, is a perfect example of this. I don't like to think what her voice may be like 10 years from now. And yes, Mariah is a perfect example.
I appreciate what you're saying and I respect your point of view - you are focusing more on the feeling and emotion delivered through the vocal, rather than seeking to be impressed by range or melismas. And I'm totally down with that.
I guess the singer side of me seeks to impress as well as inject emotion into a performance, and maybe that is a mistake of mine or something that I may need to look at in depth.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
Well by all means reach for those notes if you know you can get to them, but what you shouldn't do is try to force notes that are outside of a comfortable limit as that is where strain and damage can happen.
Jessie J is a good example, if you YouTube her Who You Are performance on X Factor, there are some serious issues there, and she is often going outside of her range. Mariah damaged her voice a long time ago now which is why she often has to have pre-recorded vocals to cover parts which she can no longer sing.
Personally I am a high note fan, I love singers like Leona, Tamar, Mariah, XTina, Nicole etc they all have excellent voices, but I love singers like Alexandra and Toni as well because where they may not be able to go as high as those others, they have a tone and quality and emotion in their vocals which is just as important as the amount of octaves you can sing across, unless of course you are planning on being a pop artist where a good hook is more important than the vocals.
My ultimate point is that it is all about a balance, Alexandra may not be capable of singing Listen in the original key, but she doesn't need to if she can strike a balance of technical ability and emotion/connection with the audience, and for me that balance is key to a good performance and ultimately a good vocalist.
Well by all means reach for those notes if you know you can get to them, but what you shouldn't do is try to force notes that are outside of a comfortable limit as that is where strain and damage can happen.
Jessie J is a good example, if you YouTube her Who You Are performance on X Factor, there are some serious issues there, and she is often going outside of her range. Mariah damaged her voice a long time ago now which is why she often has to have pre-recorded vocals to cover parts which she can no longer sing.
Personally I am a high note fan, I love singers like Leona, Tamar, Mariah, XTina, Nicole etc they all have excellent voices, but I love singers like Alexandra and Toni as well because where they may not be able to go as high as those others, they have a tone and quality and emotion in their vocals which is just as important as the amount of octaves you can sing across, unless of course you are planning on being a pop artist where a good hook is more important than the vocals.
My ultimate point is that it is all about a balance, Alexandra may not be capable of singing Listen in the original key, but she doesn't need to if she can strike a balance of technical ability and emotion/connection with the audience, and for me that balance is key to a good performance and ultimately a good vocalist.
I remember that performance like it was yesterday. It was terrible, she was out of tune and the high notes she actually went ABOVE the intended note, which while that is all well and good regarding range, it is terrible regarding balance. So I'm with you on that one. I think Jessie has had extensive training since then to improve her projection and gain that balance. Apparently she is much better now.
And no, of course not, it's never strained, I make a point of not singing songs that I know are impossible for me. (Your Girl by Mariah Carey is the highest I can sing - by the second chorus, I can't go again lol). So, yes, I deffo know my range and I don't push it where I know it can't go.
However, I think my point was how did any of these great singers reach their highest potential without pushing themselves? So I think there are benefits in doing so, but there are also cons too and I'm aware of them. For sure.
I get what you're saying about Alex. I think it's the way that she sings that I don't like, it's not her tone. Her tone is very thick as it already is so I think when she attempts to go high, I think that's what annoys me. But no, I cannot deny that the girl can sing - if I said otherwise, I'd be a hater. BUT, it's just not my preference.
When you said Tamar are you talking about Toni Braxton's sister? I've never really listened to any of her stuff, is she good?
I love Toni's lower register, but I also love how she belts out that note in Unbreak My Heart. Amazing.
But yes I appreciate that every singer has different thresholds.
I remember that performance like it was yesterday. It was terrible, she was out of tune and the high notes she actually went ABOVE the intended note, which while that is all well and good regarding range, it is terrible regarding balance. So I'm with you on that one. I think Jessie has had extensive training since then to improve her projection and gain that balance. Apparently she is much better now.
And no, of course not, it's never strained, I make a point of not singing songs that I know are impossible for me. (Your Girl by Mariah Carey is the highest I can sing - by the second chorus, I can't go again lol). So, yes, I deffo know my range and I don't push it where I know it can't go.
However, I think my point was how did any of these great singers reach their highest potential without pushing themselves? So I think there are benefits in doing so, but there are also cons too and I'm aware of them. For sure.
I get what you're saying about Alex. I think it's the way that she sings that I don't like, it's not her tone. Her tone is very thick as it already is so I think when she attempts to go high, I think that's what annoys me. But no, I cannot deny that the girl can sing - if I said otherwise, I'd be a hater. BUT, it's just not my preference.
When you said Tamar are you talking about Toni Braxton's sister? I've never really listened to any of her stuff, is she good?
I love Toni's lower register, but I also love how she belts out that note in Unbreak My Heart. Amazing.
But yes I appreciate that every singer has different thresholds.
You're right, I agree with your points, especially about pushing the vocals, it does help to do that, just in a controlled way. Alex's tone isn't for everyone, it's husky and deep but that's what makes her unique, on a chorus she sounds very distinctive where the likes of Rita Ora etc sound generic.
You haven't heard of Tamar? She is Toni's sister, she's incredible to be honest, even Toni admitted she was the best singer in the family. She just had the biggest selling R&B album of the year so far in the US. I would definitely go and YouTube her, check out her newer songs and vocal range videos, I was shocked that she didn't get more famous sooner, her range is very close to Mariah's.
But back to Alex, the thing I like about her vocal is that it seems to fit on both pop music and R&B/ballads, she can do a range of styles very well and she can perform. Maybe the fact that she doesn't fall into a distinct lane because of that has been her downfall so far.
What falseness - ugh can't stand the things people say. If any girl shows a bit of personality she's perceived to be cocky and arrogant. It's probably why only the soft spoken girls get through to the end like Leona and Rebecca.
Bullying, drug taking thugs usually are cocky and arrogant.
I agree. I would not trust her as far as i could throw her. She is trying to hid the real Tamera, but it will out at sometime..
I am not all that struck on her voice.
I think the most alarming thing is that she walked out of her audition with a yes, and then went straight to Boots and attempted to shoplift make-up items.
Personally I don't think she's ready for this at all, she doesn't seem to have a very good work ethic, and her performances so far don't look like she's been attempting to better herself. It's all been at one level.
I think a shock exit would be the wake-up call she desperately needs.
You're right, I agree with your points, especially about pushing the vocals, it does help to do that, just in a controlled way. Alex's tone isn't for everyone, it's husky and deep but that's what makes her unique, on a chorus she sounds very distinctive where the likes of Rita Ora etc sound generic.
You haven't heard of Tamar? She is Toni's sister, she's incredible to be honest. She just had the biggest selling R&B album of the year so far in the US. I would definitely go and YouTube her, check out her newer songs and vocal range videos, I was shocked that she didn't get more famous sooner, her range is very close to Mariah's.
But back to Alex, the thing I like about her vocal is that it seems to fit on both pop music and R&B/ballads, she can do a range of styles very well and she can perform. Maybe the fact that she doesn't fall into a distinct lane because of that has been her downfall so far.
Hmmm I never really thought of it like that, that she's difficult to categorise because of her style. For example, Listen and Candyman are two different styles completely, but as much as I may dislike her vocal, Candyman was a very good effort. Even Christina struggles with that last note and uses a live vocal so, she gets props for that, for sure.
And yeah, I think what I meant by pushing is, how would Mariah have known she could whistle for example, if she never pushed and stretched her vocal to find that out in the first place? I believe that any instrument, you have to explore in it's entirety before you can even know your limits. Pushing and straining I think are two different things and I think as long as you know the difference as a singer, you will be fine.
Tamar, yeah I've heard of her, I saw her complaining about some producers on her recent video (they work with Rihanna, they take her pictures - GoMillion something or other?). So I checked out the video, but studio vocals can be made to sound incredible when they're not , you know, pitching, comping (making you sing it over and over and then selecting the best vocal), so I don't think studio versions are ever really a fair depiction of one's vocal abilities, especially nowadays.
But wow, if you say she's on Mariah's level then I believe you, and will now go and YouTube a live performance of Tamar's and see what I come across. All of those sisters can sing so this doesn't surprise me. Toni will always be my favourite but I'm open to hearing something new, why not?
What do you think of Christina as a live vocalist? I'm not really talking recently, I'm more talking, Back to Basics Tour days.
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I would say a lot worse things about Rihanna (in my top 3 worst singers ever along with Cher Lloyd and Cheryl Cole) and her extremely delusional fans but I won't bother tbh.
I like Hannah, Tamera, Rough Copy and Sam B. Sam B is a wonderful singer IMO...at least Rough Copy went outside their comfort zone in the 1st 3 weeks and I rate them for it and even admitted that they didn't sing well last week which was really good of them. But now it's time for them to do R+B songs coz that's their comfort zone.
How arrogant...omg.
When someone has to tell people they're funny, they're usually not.
As I've said, it happens all the time. Confident girls are never liked by the UK public, as they are threatened by how much of an extrovert they are.
Alexandra Burke, Misha B, Tamera and some even have problems with Hannah, even though she's tried to become less talkative to please the public.
The cycle will never stop.
Thank you! The emperors new clothes springs to mind...
I don't understand that.
That poster is just wrong. Every voice is different, and every range is different. A singer has to sing the song in a key that suits them and is within their range to avoid damage to the vocals.
No, to avoid "damage to the vocals" a singer has to "sing a song" that is "within their range". If they "choose" to sing a song that is "not within their range", by "taking it down a few keys", real singers will "pick up on that" and lose respect for that singer as an overall artist.
Anyone heard P!nk's version of Girl on Fire by A Keys? No, I didn't think so.
Look it up and tell me whether she changed the key.
I rest my case.
Right...so I guess Beyoncé was wrong for lowering the key of If I Were A Boy from the original BC Jean version. I guess she's not a real singer.
Not at all, I think it's okay to do so if it's your own song. Because at least we all know that you CAN sing it in the original key. Singers like Beyonce, like Xtina, like Mariah, have been going for years so I appreciate that they tend to use live vocals and/or change up the key to better suit their voice.
However, that's cool. It's their song. Don't come to me praising someone who sings a cover version of someone else's song, 2 keys down. Because I will just laugh at you.
That is basically my point.
You're a complete hypocrite.
You tell me I am "jealous of Tamera cause she's confident" then when I reassure you I am confident in myself, you call me arrogant. Don't worry my confidence is high, I don't care if you think I'm not *whatever*.
Hannah is one of my favourites, you don't have a clue what you're talking about about.
And you ignored my question what does the blank space mean?
Is this poster correct? Because if you're implying we are racist, that's a very serious offence... Go on...tell us what here.
Seen it all before...and better.
If I Were A Boy is someone else's song. It's not Beyoncé's song, somebody else wrote it for their album, not Beyoncé's album. Beyoncé heard the song and took it, recorded it in a different key and put it on her album.
There is a huge double standard to what you are saying and to be honest the point doesn't hold much weight at all.
Looooool you're deviating from the point.
If I Were A Boy IS Beyonce's song if the song was written for someone else but eventually given to her. I don't care if the original was recorded in a different key, because I can bet you the £20 note in my purse that Beyonce's is on a higher key than this original, am I right??
Of course I am. Beyonce's vocal has capabilities beyond most people's understanding, so I'd be very shocked to learn that she took it down instead of up.
Where is the double standard in what I am saying and what are you failing to understand about my point of artists singing songs keys down from the original is a COP OUT.
What don't you understand about that simple analysis??
Can I have that £20 now...? Beyoncé's version is lower than BC Jean's original version.
It's not a cop out if it's outside of their range. An artist has to put their own spin on a song in a way that is comfortable to them. Would Toni Braxton be wrong for lowering the key of I Will Always Love You if she wanted to cover it? No. As long as the emotion and technical ability is there, a good song can be pulled off by a talented vocalist in all manner of keys. That is my point.
Loooooooool alright alright, you win that one! After I clicked send, I YouTubed the original and you are right.
I understand what you're saying about an artist putting their own spin on a song, and I'm not sure if it is in a different key but Monica's cover of Mary J's Not Gon' Cry is a perfect example. I'm totally with you about putting one's own spin on it and I'm guessing what you're trying to say to me may be that singing in the original key contributes to sounding too much like the original artist, which I'm not down for at all.
But I think my point is, I Will Always Love You is a great example because.. Not many CAN sing it in the original key. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yes, for the purpose of displaying emotion and moving a crowd, go ahead and take it down a few keys if it better suits your vocal.
BUT, don't expect a singer like myself, who has trained their own vocal with no outside help, singing songs like I Will Always Love You, in the original key, and stretching the crap out of my vocal until my range increased and I could successfully sing it - don't expect me to respect you as an artist and clap really loud because.. All that I think is, could I sing it in the original key? And if the answer is yes, I'm reaching for that remote.
And yes, I guess that's where I can admit that I may be a lot more judgemental than your average person. Whether that's right or wrong I don't know but that's me and that's how I push myself to be a better vocalist.
I get your point but I just think you need to be careful with that point of view. You may have had no formal training but every vocalist has a limit and it pays dividends, especially in later life, to know what those limits are, as Mariah is finding out now.
It's better not to damage your vocals or wear them out excessively for the principle of singing a song in the original key because once vocals are damaged, it's very hard to get them back, if at all.
Thank you for your advice and I know that you are right about that anyway - I think Jessie J , as good as she is, is a perfect example of this. I don't like to think what her voice may be like 10 years from now. And yes, Mariah is a perfect example.
I appreciate what you're saying and I respect your point of view - you are focusing more on the feeling and emotion delivered through the vocal, rather than seeking to be impressed by range or melismas. And I'm totally down with that.
I guess the singer side of me seeks to impress as well as inject emotion into a performance, and maybe that is a mistake of mine or something that I may need to look at in depth.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
Well by all means reach for those notes if you know you can get to them, but what you shouldn't do is try to force notes that are outside of a comfortable limit as that is where strain and damage can happen.
Jessie J is a good example, if you YouTube her Who You Are performance on X Factor, there are some serious issues there, and she is often going outside of her range. Mariah damaged her voice a long time ago now which is why she often has to have pre-recorded vocals to cover parts which she can no longer sing.
Personally I am a high note fan, I love singers like Leona, Tamar, Mariah, XTina, Nicole etc they all have excellent voices, but I love singers like Alexandra and Toni as well because where they may not be able to go as high as those others, they have a tone and quality and emotion in their vocals which is just as important as the amount of octaves you can sing across, unless of course you are planning on being a pop artist where a good hook is more important than the vocals.
My ultimate point is that it is all about a balance, Alexandra may not be capable of singing Listen in the original key, but she doesn't need to if she can strike a balance of technical ability and emotion/connection with the audience, and for me that balance is key to a good performance and ultimately a good vocalist.
Agree. Her range isn't that vast - But out of all the singers she's the one most likely to get all the hype.
(What bothers me is that she went on the rob during the audition process in the Summer) How much has she actually changed?
I remember that performance like it was yesterday. It was terrible, she was out of tune and the high notes she actually went ABOVE the intended note, which while that is all well and good regarding range, it is terrible regarding balance. So I'm with you on that one. I think Jessie has had extensive training since then to improve her projection and gain that balance. Apparently she is much better now.
And no, of course not, it's never strained, I make a point of not singing songs that I know are impossible for me. (Your Girl by Mariah Carey is the highest I can sing - by the second chorus, I can't go again lol). So, yes, I deffo know my range and I don't push it where I know it can't go.
However, I think my point was how did any of these great singers reach their highest potential without pushing themselves? So I think there are benefits in doing so, but there are also cons too and I'm aware of them. For sure.
I get what you're saying about Alex. I think it's the way that she sings that I don't like, it's not her tone. Her tone is very thick as it already is so I think when she attempts to go high, I think that's what annoys me. But no, I cannot deny that the girl can sing - if I said otherwise, I'd be a hater. BUT, it's just not my preference.
When you said Tamar are you talking about Toni Braxton's sister? I've never really listened to any of her stuff, is she good?
I love Toni's lower register, but I also love how she belts out that note in Unbreak My Heart. Amazing.
But yes I appreciate that every singer has different thresholds.
I agree. I would not trust her as far as i could throw her. She is trying to hid the real Tamera, but it will out at sometime..
I am not all that struck on her voice.
You're right, I agree with your points, especially about pushing the vocals, it does help to do that, just in a controlled way. Alex's tone isn't for everyone, it's husky and deep but that's what makes her unique, on a chorus she sounds very distinctive where the likes of Rita Ora etc sound generic.
You haven't heard of Tamar? She is Toni's sister, she's incredible to be honest, even Toni admitted she was the best singer in the family. She just had the biggest selling R&B album of the year so far in the US. I would definitely go and YouTube her, check out her newer songs and vocal range videos, I was shocked that she didn't get more famous sooner, her range is very close to Mariah's.
But back to Alex, the thing I like about her vocal is that it seems to fit on both pop music and R&B/ballads, she can do a range of styles very well and she can perform. Maybe the fact that she doesn't fall into a distinct lane because of that has been her downfall so far.
Bullying, drug taking thugs usually are cocky and arrogant.
I think the most alarming thing is that she walked out of her audition with a yes, and then went straight to Boots and attempted to shoplift make-up items.
Personally I don't think she's ready for this at all, she doesn't seem to have a very good work ethic, and her performances so far don't look like she's been attempting to better herself. It's all been at one level.
I think a shock exit would be the wake-up call she desperately needs.
Hmmm I never really thought of it like that, that she's difficult to categorise because of her style. For example, Listen and Candyman are two different styles completely, but as much as I may dislike her vocal, Candyman was a very good effort. Even Christina struggles with that last note and uses a live vocal so, she gets props for that, for sure.
And yeah, I think what I meant by pushing is, how would Mariah have known she could whistle for example, if she never pushed and stretched her vocal to find that out in the first place? I believe that any instrument, you have to explore in it's entirety before you can even know your limits. Pushing and straining I think are two different things and I think as long as you know the difference as a singer, you will be fine.
Tamar, yeah I've heard of her, I saw her complaining about some producers on her recent video (they work with Rihanna, they take her pictures - GoMillion something or other?). So I checked out the video, but studio vocals can be made to sound incredible when they're not , you know, pitching, comping (making you sing it over and over and then selecting the best vocal), so I don't think studio versions are ever really a fair depiction of one's vocal abilities, especially nowadays.
But wow, if you say she's on Mariah's level then I believe you, and will now go and YouTube a live performance of Tamar's and see what I come across. All of those sisters can sing so this doesn't surprise me. Toni will always be my favourite but I'm open to hearing something new, why not?
What do you think of Christina as a live vocalist? I'm not really talking recently, I'm more talking, Back to Basics Tour days.
Excuse me? I'm sure she's begging for your trust...:)
Do you know her personally? do you know the "real Tamera"? No you don't.
You're just another viewer who has pre-conceived ideas of who she is by what you've read in the papers.