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Has there ever been a government so weak as Cameron's?

Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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Another u-turn after the Guardian and BBC kick up a fuss.

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/12/26/tories-do-embarrassing-u-turn-on-booktrust-cut/

Brown was devastatingly bad, but as least he had conviction. We're running the biggest deficit in UK peacetime history, and cuts have to be made, so maybe the moronic Guardian and the countless state dependent interests who whine and whine should tell us exactly where they should fall? Or are the left stuck in a la la land of ever lasting funny money?
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    JosquiusJosquius Posts: 1,514
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    err...opponents of the condems have said where the cuts should go and how big they need to be.
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    RaferRafer Posts: 14,231
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    The problem with Brown was that he wouldn't make a decision unless he had to. Then he stuck by it even if it was obviously wrong. Cameron seems to favour a different approach. He's attempting to please all the people all of the time. He doesn't seem to realise that it's impossible to do. Even something as trivial as abolishing free milk to save £50 million (?) dragged on and became a big issue, simply because he backed down at the first sign of a bad headline.
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    Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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    Josquius wrote: »
    err...opponents of the condems have said where the cuts should go and how big they need to be.

    Really? I've barely heard a whisper on Labour's exact strategy.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    It irks me that when any government changes it's mind on something because a good argument has been made then it is always some sort of massive U-turn and has to be accompanied by all sorts of faux over-reaction and melodrama.

    That's not the way to encourage people with egos as big as politicians to change their minds - they should be applauded and then "forgotten"
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    VennegoorVennegoor Posts: 14,648
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    Was a stupid proposal to cut this scheme, it's very important to promote reading to children. The u turn is welcome.
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    Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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    Vennegoor wrote: »
    Was a stupid proposal to cut this scheme, it's very important to promote reading to children. The u turn is welcome.

    I always assumed that's why we had schools.
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    psionicpsionic Posts: 20,188
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    Another u-turn after the Guardian and BBC kick up a fuss.

    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/12/26/tories-do-embarrassing-u-turn-on-booktrust-cut/

    Brown was devastatingly bad, but as least he had conviction. We're running the biggest deficit in UK peacetime history, and cuts have to be made, so maybe the moronic Guardian and the countless state dependent interests who whine and whine should tell us exactly where they should fall? Or are the left stuck in a la la land of ever lasting funny money?
    Providing books for kids is a worthy endeavour IMHO. Especially as so many kids leave primary school barely literate, and once the councils start wielding the axe, library services are probably going to be curtailed. It's madness to totally cut funding for this charity.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,317
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    I'd never heard of this scheme and to be perfectly honest, my attitude is that it must be cheaper to use the people who already interact with parents in difficult circumstances such as teachers, health visitors, social workers etc - and direct these parents to their nearest library. The books are there. Local councils are legally obliged to provide the service. Is it really worth spending all that money on giving children books when there is already a much wider selection available to them that's already been paid for?

    As for a weak government, I have no problem with it. A weak government forced to listen to a strong citizenry is infinitely preferable to the other way round.
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    mooxmoox Posts: 18,880
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    Josquius wrote: »
    err...opponents of the condems have said where the cuts should go and how big they need to be.

    Correction.

    Opponents have said where they think the cuts should be - not necessarily right or wrong.
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    GwrxVurferGwrxVurfer Posts: 5,359
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    Another u-turn after the Guardian and BBC kick up a fuss.

    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/12/26/tories-do-embarrassing-u-turn-on-booktrust-cut/

    Brown was devastatingly bad, but as least he had conviction. We're running the biggest deficit in UK peacetime history, and cuts have to be made, so maybe the moronic Guardian and the countless state dependent interests who whine and whine should tell us exactly where they should fall? Or are the left stuck in a la la land of ever lasting funny money?

    Cuts do not have to be made. Simply abolish the Bank of England's debt-based currency system, and return the power to issue currency to the government. Issue money debt-free, in proper proportion to supply and demand.
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    Andy2Andy2 Posts: 11,951
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    I can't see what's wrong with cutting the scheme. Why do children need £13 million worth of books? Are there not zillions of books already in libraries? Why spend taxpayers' cash to give them more?
    No wonder kids don't go to public librarie any more if the books are being lobbed directly into their hands.
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    AftershowAftershow Posts: 10,021
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    GwrxVurfer wrote: »
    Cuts do not have to be made. Simply abolish the Bank of England's debt-based currency system, and return the power to issue currency to the government. Issue money debt-free, in proper proportion to supply and demand.

    We're talking about economics in the real world, not a fantasy one.
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    VennegoorVennegoor Posts: 14,648
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    I always assumed that's why we had schools.

    Yes, because everything in life has to be done via a formal learning regime, just to create little automatons for corporations to hire.

    The work booktrust does encourages reading for readings sake, not passing an exams sake.
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    VennegoorVennegoor Posts: 14,648
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    Andy2 wrote: »
    I can't see what's wrong with cutting the scheme. Why do children need £13 million worth of books? Are there not zillions of books already in libraries? Why spend taxpayers' cash to give them more?
    No wonder kids don't go to public librarie any more if the books are being lobbed directly into their hands.

    Booktrust supports libraries, it doesn't detract from them.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    I see Ed Miliband has written a letter to Cameron

    big wow!

    Labour just being opportunistic again! What did they do to get the decision reversed, I wonder?
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    VennegoorVennegoor Posts: 14,648
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    Windy999 wrote: »
    I see Ed Miliband has written a letter to Cameron

    big wow!

    Labour just being opportunistic again! What did they do to get the decision reversed, I wonder?

    They funded the scheme since 2004, and one of their key backers, Lord Sainsbury, funded it for years.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    Vennegoor wrote: »
    They funded the scheme since 2004, and one of their key backers, Lord Sainsbury, funded it for years.

    So what did they do to get the funding back?
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    Judge MentalJudge Mental Posts: 18,593
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    What this, and a number of other U-turns, indicates is that this government is rushing into policy change without properly consulting people. It's the same with Gove and the school sports partnerships.

    What this government should now do is revisit all of their key policies and take some time to ensure that the things they are cutting are the right things because this constant flip-flopping does indeed make them look weak - and as though their policy changes are being driven by ideological zeal rather than any coherent vision.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    What this, and a number of other U-turns, indicates is that this government is rushing into policy change without properly consulting people. It's the same with Gove and the school sports partnerships.

    What this government should now do is revisit all of their key policies and take some time to ensure that the things they are cutting are the right things because this constant flip-flopping does indeed make them look weak - and as though their policy changes are being driven by ideological zeal rather than any coherent vision.

    While I don't disagree I would caution against trying to make sure everything is covered before introducing anything otherwise nothing will get changed at all.

    I am all for an experiential constructivist approach to learning though :)
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    JohnbeeJohnbee Posts: 4,019
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    < We're running the biggest deficit in UK peacetime history, and cuts have to be made, so maybe the moronic Guardian >

    I will once again point out to the loony right that The Guardian supports this Governmnt as it urged us to vote Lib Dem at the election.

    Your whole post was similarly based on wrong information and hows that you have been fooled and conditioned by being constantly bombarded with soundbites from the BBC and right wing commentators. ry to write a post using your own words instead of cliches from the headlines. And if you post such a 'fact' as the Guardian opposing the Government which it helped get elected, check first before basing a load of ignorant ranting about a subject you are far from understanding.
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    GwrxVurferGwrxVurfer Posts: 5,359
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    Aftershow wrote: »
    We're talking about economics in the real world, not a fantasy one.

    Does it not seem "fanatasy" that a government would pay interest to borrow its own money?

    You have an odd sense of economics if you think people paying to borrow their own money makes sense Aftershow.
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    Judge MentalJudge Mental Posts: 18,593
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    Windy999 wrote: »
    While I don't disagree I would caution against trying to make sure everything is covered before introducing anything otherwise nothing will get changed at all.

    I am all for an experiential constructivist approach to learning though :)

    What's wrong with normal political process where there are green papers and white papers before legislation is brought before parliament - this allows for interested parties to point out the potential pitfalls of the policy, allows for proper political debate. I don't understand why, if these policies are such a good idea, that Cameron doesn't feel as though they will stand up to the normal amount of scrutiny. Take the Academies and Free Schools policy for example - a major structural change to the educational system in this country - no green paper, no white paper and rushed through parliament using procedures normally reserved for emergency legislation on terrorism.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,672
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    What's wrong with normal political process where there are green papers and white papers before legislation is brought before parliament - this allows for interested parties to point out the potential pitfalls of the policy, allows for proper political debate. I don't understand why, if these policies are such a good idea, that Cameron doesn't feel as though they will stand up to the normal amount of scrutiny. Take the Academies and Free Schools policy for example - a major structural change to the educational system in this country - no green paper, no white paper and rushed through parliament using procedures normally reserved for emergency legislation on terrorism.

    Good point - I don't trust Labour to be able to debate it properly though.

    That's not saying it shouldn't be done though

    Perhaps it needs to be done quick so that the government can start doing nice things again by 2015? Or am I being far too cynical? :)
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    Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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    GwrxVurfer wrote: »
    Does it not seem "fanatasy" that a government would pay interest to borrow its own money?

    You have an odd sense of economics if you think people paying to borrow their own money makes sense Aftershow.

    The government borrows money from international investors.
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    GwrxVurferGwrxVurfer Posts: 5,359
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    The government borrows money from international investors.

    The government borrows Pound Sterling, which is backed by nothing, and they borrow it at a rate of interest.

    Why not simply remove the "borrow" part of it, and issue it themselves?

    As I've previously said, it makes no sense in paying to borrow your own money.
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