It's a workable and hypothetical question to illustrate a point. if you fail to see the point being made or wish to pretend there isn't one to be had, then that is your call of course.
Well then I'm sure you will be equally as critical of those who shout down homophobia or sexism or indeed anything else.
At least you are consistent, I'll give you that.
I mean how dare people tell them they are bigots right, and how dare they try and impress upon them that these days equality for all is a largely admired stance in a civilised society.
The man was obviously a Hindu who used to be very proud to work in Social Services.:D
In all seriousness though, if he did his job and didn't bother anyone what's the problem ?
There are various religions which I find as abhorrent as nazism, but I wouldn't judge any person for the actions of others committed In the name of any ideology, religious or otherwise.
I find it amusing that the defenders of backward religious idiologies are usually at the front of the stoning queue when it comes to other views they don't approve of.
I would probably contact his company. He may not have white supremacist ideas anymore, but if I were his employer I wouldn't want his flashing racist tatoos to customers while he was on job. He's representing the company and I wouldn't want my business to be tainted by association and potentially lose customers, so I would want to know if only to remind him to cover up when with clients.
but would you report it as offensive to his employer?
I didn't actually say I'd instantly report the first guy- I'm sure I'd give the chap a chance to explain first without automatically jumping on the phone.
My stance is the same and the exact same thing applies if I saw someone come to me from a company with the tattoos you described in the examples you gave.
There are some peculiar viewpoints in this thread.
I think some have got hung up on the fact they think people with tattoos are being berated. I don't think anybody is complaining about the fact he had tattoos, but the fact he had NAZI tattoos!
I'd agree he's an idiot. He's either a Nazi, or thinks wearing swastikas is a great thing to do. Either way.. is it not indefensible?
For the slightly intellectually challenged here; the Nazi's were responsible for ya'know, just a few war crimes like genocide and torture.
Well then I'm sure you will be equally as critical of those who shout down homophobia or sexism or indeed anything else.
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Your argument is flawed.
What you mean to say is if someone showed up to fix your forklift and had pro gay tattoos or sexual equality tattoos you would report them to their employer because their personal beliefs shouldn't be on display in the workplace.
Otherwise you are falling into the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum.
There are some peculiar viewpoints in this thread.
I think some have got hung up on the fact they think people with tattoos are being berated. I don't think anybody is complaining about the fact he had tattoos, but the fact he had NAZI tattoos!
I'd agree he's an idiot. He's either a Nazi, or thinks wearing swastikas is a great thing to do. Either way.. is it not indefensible?
For the slightly intellectually challenged here; the Nazi's were responsible for ya'know, just a few war crimes like genocide and torture.
I found the idea of a diversity policy that excludes things funny.
It doesn't sound very.... diverse.
I think you'll find that the diversity principles of most organisations don't include sympathy towards symbols representing the most vile, evil racist regime in history.
oh didnt even see it in there at the beginning, brb perving the man until i find out hes a racist pratt
Rather presumptuous don't you think? That tattoo has more in common with the Sanskrit svastika, than the nazi incarnation of the swastika. But I guess you must have some inside knowledge on him.
There are some peculiar viewpoints in this thread.
I think some have got hung up on the fact they think people with tattoos are being berated. I don't think anybody is complaining about the fact he had tattoos, but the fact he had NAZI tattoos!
I'd agree he's an idiot. He's either a Nazi, or thinks wearing swastikas is a great thing to do. Either way.. is it not indefensible?
For the slightly intellectually challenged here; the Nazi's were responsible for ya'know, just a few war crimes like genocide and torture.
Yes, and Christianity has murdered way more people per capita than the Nazis ever did, yet people still have crosses and crucifixes inked without recourse. What's your point?
Ha almost missed this. Well at least this reply was amusing, I'll give you that!
I should say I'm not all 'outraged' here despite how my posts can come across, merely stating my views on a public internet forum on a sunday evening, no more, no less. Sometimes it's good not to be all wishy washy or half hearted when doing so. Well that's my line and I'm sticking to it. Whether people believe it or not is entirely up to them.
I'm perfecty calm too before anyone chucks that one my way either, honest!
I think you'll find that the diversity principles of most organisations don't include sympathy towards symbols representing the most vile, evil racist regime in history.
Extraordinary I have to actually explain this.
Hello welcome to the ECHR where you have the freedom of expression to offend, shock or disturb others.
Yes, and Christianity has murdered way more people per capita than the Nazis ever did, yet people still have crosses and crucifixes inked without recourse. What's your point?
That argument doesn't wash with me.
I'm both secular, and a firm socialist but there was nothing good about the Nazi's.
All major world religions may have, over time, by different people within that religion killed many people but even as a non-religious person I can see the phenomenal benefit which religion has brought to many millions of people across the planet.
Hitler and The Nazi's did NOTHING good, at all, and to boot they obliterated any good name socialism had left.
Those posts you have quoted aren't necessarily by people who need you to educate them, they likely just aren't going to get upset because some forklift repair guy who is pleasant enough to speak to by all accounts, has drawn on his arms with Nazi symbols.
What you mean to say is if someone showed up to fix your forklift and had pro gay tattoos or sexual equality tattoos you would report them to their employer because their personal beliefs shouldn't be on display in the workplace.
Otherwise you are falling into the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum.
wooo i used latin.
I think it is your argument here that is flawed here, not mine.
By and large I'd not really want any employees of mine representing or expressing their personal views or beliefs to a client.
The thing you have failed to address with your post here however is that not all views and beliefs are equal, and some are quite rightly looked down upon more than others. An 'I love Hitler' tat is tad more inflammatory than an 'I love my cute teddy bear' one for example.
If any employee had something that may cause offence/ embarrassment to a client then this would be addressed accordingly, regardless of what it is.
This isn't exactly rocket science or indeed a Latin lesson, although this did bring back fond memories of 'Caecilius est in Horto' and all that malarkey. ;-)
Rather presumptuous don't you think? That tattoo has more in common with the Sanskrit svastika, than the nazi incarnation of the swastika. But I guess you must have some inside knowledge on him.
Oh shut your noise it was a throwaway remark. My serious comment stated I would ask him f he was a white supremist.
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That too would demonstrate stupidity in this exact same scenario.
Would be able to read them though? Paper is white for a reason
as long as my forklift got fixed I dont care
i dont try and impose my viewpoint on others
im with Voltaire
Then I would let him fix my equipment and then leave
It's a hypothetical scenario to illustrate a point, although sure, there are multiple examples and degrees of extremity that could be used of course.
The fact it is hypothetical does not make it irrelevant.
Well, cocaine does makes you feel like you've had an immense surge of energy.
Well then I'm sure you will be equally as critical of those who shout down homophobia or sexism or indeed anything else.
At least you are consistent, I'll give you that.
I mean how dare people tell them they are bigots right, and how dare they try and impress upon them that these days equality for all is a largely admired stance in a civilised society.
but would you report it as offensive to his employer?
In all seriousness though, if he did his job and didn't bother anyone what's the problem ?
There are various religions which I find as abhorrent as nazism, but I wouldn't judge any person for the actions of others committed In the name of any ideology, religious or otherwise.
I find it amusing that the defenders of backward religious idiologies are usually at the front of the stoning queue when it comes to other views they don't approve of.
I didn't actually say I'd instantly report the first guy- I'm sure I'd give the chap a chance to explain first without automatically jumping on the phone.
My stance is the same and the exact same thing applies if I saw someone come to me from a company with the tattoos you described in the examples you gave.
I think some have got hung up on the fact they think people with tattoos are being berated. I don't think anybody is complaining about the fact he had tattoos, but the fact he had NAZI tattoos!
I'd agree he's an idiot. He's either a Nazi, or thinks wearing swastikas is a great thing to do. Either way.. is it not indefensible?
For the slightly intellectually challenged here; the Nazi's were responsible for ya'know, just a few war crimes like genocide and torture.
Your argument is flawed.
What you mean to say is if someone showed up to fix your forklift and had pro gay tattoos or sexual equality tattoos you would report them to their employer because their personal beliefs shouldn't be on display in the workplace.
Otherwise you are falling into the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum.
wooo i used latin.
Thanks for that Mr Obvious
I think you'll find that the diversity principles of most organisations don't include sympathy towards symbols representing the most vile, evil racist regime in history.
Extraordinary I have to actually explain this.
Rather presumptuous don't you think? That tattoo has more in common with the Sanskrit svastika, than the nazi incarnation of the swastika. But I guess you must have some inside knowledge on him.
Yes, and Christianity has murdered way more people per capita than the Nazis ever did, yet people still have crosses and crucifixes inked without recourse. What's your point?
Ha almost missed this. Well at least this reply was amusing, I'll give you that!
I should say I'm not all 'outraged' here despite how my posts can come across, merely stating my views on a public internet forum on a sunday evening, no more, no less. Sometimes it's good not to be all wishy washy or half hearted when doing so. Well that's my line and I'm sticking to it. Whether people believe it or not is entirely up to them.
I'm perfecty calm too before anyone chucks that one my way either, honest!
Hello welcome to the ECHR where you have the freedom of expression to offend, shock or disturb others.
Welcome to the free world.
Er, well, you'd think so, wouldn't you? But my post was a reply to posts from this very thread...
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=72193450&postcount=29
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=72193409&postcount=27
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=72192825&postcount=14
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=72193189&postcount=17
Though I probably wouldn't have.
I'd pick the service of another company next time though.
That argument doesn't wash with me.
I'm both secular, and a firm socialist but there was nothing good about the Nazi's.
All major world religions may have, over time, by different people within that religion killed many people but even as a non-religious person I can see the phenomenal benefit which religion has brought to many millions of people across the planet.
Hitler and The Nazi's did NOTHING good, at all, and to boot they obliterated any good name socialism had left.
Those posts you have quoted aren't necessarily by people who need you to educate them, they likely just aren't going to get upset because some forklift repair guy who is pleasant enough to speak to by all accounts, has drawn on his arms with Nazi symbols.
I think it is your argument here that is flawed here, not mine.
By and large I'd not really want any employees of mine representing or expressing their personal views or beliefs to a client.
The thing you have failed to address with your post here however is that not all views and beliefs are equal, and some are quite rightly looked down upon more than others. An 'I love Hitler' tat is tad more inflammatory than an 'I love my cute teddy bear' one for example.
If any employee had something that may cause offence/ embarrassment to a client then this would be addressed accordingly, regardless of what it is.
This isn't exactly rocket science or indeed a Latin lesson, although this did bring back fond memories of 'Caecilius est in Horto' and all that malarkey. ;-)
Oh shut your noise it was a throwaway remark. My serious comment stated I would ask him f he was a white supremist.