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Compulsory voting first timers?

TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/voting-should-be-compulsory-for-young-people-at-least-once-says-think-tank-8784419.html

What do you think? I say no because compulsory voting is just another type of totalitarianism and an attempt by politicians to put the blame for poor turn-outs on the electorate, rather than asking themselves honestly why more and more people are pissed off with both the electoral process and those who gain power through it.

Those who have gone before us did not fight for our right to vote, they fought for our right to choose whether or not we wanted to vote.

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,916
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    There's already a thread in the Politics forum discussing this.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    There's already a thread in the Politics forum discussing this.

    I don't want to go in there as I know what it will be like. Comments about how the think tank is left leaning and how this would just give Labour an advantage as younger people tend to be left leaning, as though that were true.

    Honestly who could be bothered with that?
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    DomestosDomestos Posts: 7,014
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    I don't want to go in there as I know what it will be like. Comments about how the think tank is left leaning and how this would just give Labour an advantage as younger people tend to be left leaning, as though that were true.

    Honestly who could be bothered with that?

    But that's where you should talk about it.
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    PrimalIcePrimalIce Posts: 2,897
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    Threads quite often run parallel in GD and politics. I dont see the problem. The OP is not the only one who does not wish to visit that place.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,391
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    It would certainly provide a boost to to voting count. I think it should be compulsory that every person votes in every election. Otherwise it cannot be called a true general election if only part of the nation vote.
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    dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,517
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    What if there isn't anybody to vote for, they all talk the same and break promises made, all politicians are as good/bad as each other. Have had Tories in power had Labour in power, didn't notice any different.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,391
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    What if there isn't anybody to vote for, they all talk the same and break promises made, all politicians are as good/bad as each other. Have had Tories in power had Labour in power, didn't notice any different.

    :rolleyes:

    I can assure you some people have noticed.
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    What if there isn't anybody to vote for, they all talk the same and break promises made, all politicians are as good/bad as each other. Have had Tories in power had Labour in power, didn't notice any different.

    Tories
    Tory Lite (Labour)
    I can't believe they aren't Tories (Lib Dems)

    That about sums up the 3 main parties.
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    dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,517
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    tothegrand wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    I can assure you some people have noticed.

    Those are the ones that need to vote.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 95
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    Make it compulsory but have a none of the above option
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 22,383
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    Andy_Burts wrote: »
    Make it compulsory but have a none of the above option

    That only makes sense if something kicks in/happens if everyone or a substantial amount of people vote "none of the above". Else it's just meaningless.
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    dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,517
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    Andy_Burts wrote: »
    Make it compulsory but have a none of the above option

    none of the above would probably win :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,063
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    I lived in Australia for a while where voting is compulsory. It was a farce. Those that didn't agree with being forced to vote either provided a "valid and sufficient reason" not to (feigned sickness, went on holiday out of the country at that time) or simply refused and got fined/went to court. Others turned up but wrecked their ballot paper.

    It seemed a complete waste of resources to me (staff to determine who has a "valid and sufficient reason", many more wrecked ballots to count, fines to issue, court cases to run, legal costs...) all to police an undemocratic system. So much for Australia being a free country!
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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    Rockville wrote: »
    I lived in Australia for a while where voting is compulsory. It was a farce. Those that didn't agree with being forced to vote either provided a "valid and sufficient reason" not to (feigned sickness, went on holiday out of the country at that time) or simply refused and got fined/went to court. Others turned up but wrecked their ballot paper.

    It seemed a complete waste of resources to me (many more wrecked ballots to count, fines to issue, court cases, legal costs) and undemocratic. So much for Australia being a free country!

    That is what I would do if compulsory voting were introduced.
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    jeff_vaderjeff_vader Posts: 938
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    I was thinking about this when came up in news today. I've reluctantly come round to idea of compulsory, because it would give lazy, jaded people like me some motivation, even if it was 'none of the above'.
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    PrimalIcePrimalIce Posts: 2,897
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    That's what I would do too, spoil the paper. Voting is a right. But It stops being a right when you are forced to do it.

    I have voted in some elections but not all. I vote when I care about either the party, or more often, the people I am voting for.
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    Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    Yes it should be compulsory, people can always tick abstain if they didn't want to vote. Only for general elections though.
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    PrimalIcePrimalIce Posts: 2,897
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    Yes it should be compulsory, people can always tick abstain if they didn't want to vote. Only for general elections though.

    So what is the point of that?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,063
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    Yes it should be compulsory, people can always tick abstain if they didn't want to vote. Only for general elections though.

    Or maybe they could just not turn up if they didn't want to vote :D
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    yellowparkyellowpark Posts: 2,125
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    Yes it should be compulsory. but 44% of young people did not vote at the last election.

    I care if I vote or note, it's not important.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,915
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    The proposal does include a "none of the above" option. However, the government is unlikely to want that on the ballot paper in case it gives people funny ideas, so if it were implemented I imagine the compelled youngster would just have to turn up at the polling station, show their card to prove they were there, and walk out.
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    toastietoastie Posts: 2,508
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    Rockville wrote: »
    Or maybe they could just not turn up if they didn't want to vote

    Exactly.
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    wolfticketwolfticket Posts: 913
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    You don't need a none of the above option. There is a proud history of spoiling ballot papers in this country.

    The number of spoilt papers is counted and announced. If you don't want to vote for any of the above then there is nothing wrong with spoiling the paper and registering your vote (or rather lack thereof). It's a shame more people don't do it such that the number of spoilt papers makes a statement, rather than ambiguously not turning out at all.

    Personally I'd bring the voting age down to 16 and make political discussion and voting and part of the curriculum for the last year of secondary school.
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