Twin Sisters: A World Apart BBC4 3/3/15

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Did anyone see this? Fascinating documentary about two couples, one American and one Scandinavian, who adopted a daughter each from China. They believed the girls were twins although this was denied by the Chinese authorities. They had DNA testing which confirmed they were identical twins. The story followed how they kept in touch so that the sisters could get to know each. Apart from the obvious physical similarity they shared the same mannerisms etc. it would be interesting to return to them every few years.
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  • Prince MonaluluPrince Monalulu Posts: 35,900
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    I watched most of it, what was missing was something from their siblings in their adoptive families.
    The Norwegian twin had 2 older Sisters, I think we only saw the younger one.
    The American twin had 1 older Brother IIRC from the Dad's side, don't remember seeing him at all.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b053pxdt


    Documentary telling the poignant true story of twin sisters from China, found as babies in a cardboard box in 2003 and adopted by two separate sets of parents - one from California, the other from a remote fishing village in Norway.

    In the US, Mia is raised a typical all-American girl, with a bustling life filled with violin lessons, girl scouts and soccer, while Alexandra grows up in the quietude of the breathtakingly beautiful but isolated village of Fresvik, Norway.

    Neither of the adoptive parents were told their daughters were twins, but a chance sighting at the orphanage enabled them to keep in touch, until a DNA test proved their hunch had been right. Both girls grew up knowing they had an identical twin living on the other side of the world.

    The film tells the remarkable story of their parallel journey, punctuated by only the odd visit, videos and photographs - until they meet for a longer visit in Norway when they are eight years old. Despite living completely different lives and speaking different languages, they are mirrors of each other - the magical bond between them is extraordinary.

    This is the story of our notions of family - the genetic ones we inherit and the ones we create.
  • suesuesuesuesuesue Posts: 16,202
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    Thanks for the info PM didn't realise the girls had other adopted siblings. There was a lot of other background stuff that would have been interesting to learn eg why the couples chose China, how the process worked and cost. It seemed like a big business with westerners being bussed in to collect babies like a conveyor belt. I started to wonder about the "baby abandoned in box" story and whether something more sinister was going on.

    But ultimately the story was about two little sisters and how completely different their lives were but that didn't stop their similarities in spite of this; nature over nurture and all that. The US girl over protected by fearful parents in contrast to the Norwegian lasses absolute freedom. I think focussing on that worked and I'd like to see more in the future.
  • North DownsNorth Downs Posts: 2,471
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    Yes I watched it, thought it was fascinating. You had to be a hard hearted person not to shed a tear, they really needed to be together.

    Having missed the first ten minutes, or so, I didn't realise they had siblings, I wish we had seen more of them. They portrayed the Norwegian twin as quite lonely in that beautiful, but very quiet area with little going on.
  • dd68dd68 Posts: 17,837
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    This sounds good!
  • Prince MonaluluPrince Monalulu Posts: 35,900
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    Sorry, Siblings I meant siblings from parents previous relationships, although it wasn't quite clear about the relationships and living conditions, whether they were in the same home.

    I'm assuming it was the older Sister helping with the horse riding near the end, just assuming though.

    Oh btw I did giggle when Mussi did a bunk, the way she 'ahhhhhed' when she found the hole :)
    IIRC isn't it the Russians or Chinese who've now put a block or a lot more restrictions on foreign adoptions.
  • Sweet FASweet FA Posts: 10,923
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    Life-affirming. Enjoyed it so much, just re-watched it on iplayer. Also found myself dreaming about Norway.:o Beautiful and yet haunting...
  • Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    I think this was mainly produced by a Norwegian company, according to how I read the credits.

    I thought it utterly charming.
    The coincidence that let the two sets of parents meet at the orphanage, the Norwegian couple originally due to fly out the day before.
    The two mothers buying in advance, exactly the same dress for their baby to take it home, though one dress was purchased in Norway.
    The fact that the kids looked so alike encouraging the parents to keep in touch.

    The disparity between the domestic environments, one in a busy city like Sacramento, the other in a Norwegian coastal village of only just over 200 people, with only a coop and a school.

    The necessity due to safety considerations, for the American child to be taken everywhere by car for any recreational activity. The fact that mail boxes on their street were locked.

    The Norwegian kid every morning set out in the dark on her own for school.
    Unlocked mail boxes. She was allowed to roam freely around the village on her own.

    How alike they were, down to mannerisms that the American parent thought their child had picked up from school, but when they visited the sister in Norway, she had had exactly the same mannerisms.
    The frustration with the language barrier experienced by the two children.

    "So good, it's a programme worth watching twice."
  • DaktaraDaktara Posts: 268
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    I've just watched this on iplayer and was completely enchanted by it too.

    It's one of those documentaries that comes along every once in a while that absolutely fascinates me (the last being, the polar opposite in subject, Ghosts of Cite Soleil) and no doubt I'll re-watch. Enjoyed the subject matter, the way it was shot, the music, the scenery. Lovely.
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    Thought it was absolutely wonderful too. Do so hope they have follow ups every couple of years as it will be fascinating to watch the girls grow up and encounter various emotions about their early life as they grow to adulthood.

    It really did prove its all about nature not nurture as despite totally different upbringings in that the American was given every opportunity going whilst the Norwegian one was happy playing with her mouse it found they were actually turning out exactly the same.
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    Thought it was absolutely wonderful too. Do so hope they have follow ups every couple of years as it will be fascinating to watch the girls grow up and encounter various emotions about their early life as they grow to adulthood.

    It really did prove its all about nature not nurture as despite totally different upbringings in that the American was given every opportunity going whilst the Norwegian one was happy playing with her mouse it found they were actually turning out exactly the same.

    There's been every opportunity for a follow up as the sisters were born in 2003.

    So they'll be twelve this year?


    I was amused by the Norwegians' standard poodle, which later in the documentary was bouncing about in the snow like a large black rubber ball.

    Several years earlier, it was seen in their kitchen, when Alexandra, still a baby was sitting on the floor rolling a ball backwards and forwards with her step sister? If you can say that of adopted children, about the child of only one of the parents.

    The dog still had its puppy coat of pale grey fur. But was sensibly clad in a pair of kid's knickers.

    This excellent programme is on i>Player and well worth watching.
  • Dora_JarDora_Jar Posts: 901
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    I have just watched this on the iplayer. What a wonderful, moving documentary. I really hope they can catch up with both the families in the future and find out how life is treating them. What absolute sweeties!
  • PoppySeedPoppySeed Posts: 2,483
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    I found this programme by chance this morning and was quite enchanted by it. What a glorious place in Norway that was. Both girls are absolutely delightful and blessed with wonderful families.
  • Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    One hopes that they are now skyping regularly, if Telenor has made the technology available and they have made an effort to start to learn each others language.
  • ellie1997ellie1997 Posts: 942
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    Lovely program, but one thing I did notice was the dresses were not identical.
    They were incredibly similar - both in a red gingham, but not identical. One had a white collar and was plain whilst the other a red collar and embroidered flowers \animals on the front etc.
    Though I suspect 'similar'dresses didn't make for as good a story.
  • suesuesuesuesuesue Posts: 16,202
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    Heads up for those who missed this first time around, it's repeated tonight at 8pm on bbc4
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b053pxdt/twin-sisters-a-world-apart
    I highly recommend x
  • Torch81Torch81 Posts: 15,560
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    Can only echo previously posted thoughts. An incredible story which made for an interesting and heart warming programme.

    I too hope a follow up gets made, it would be utterly fascinating to see how there lives and relationship develops.
  • Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    Torch81 wrote: »
    Can only echo previously posted thoughts. An incredible story which made for an interesting and heart warming programme.

    I too hope a follow up gets made, it would be utterly fascinating to see how there lives and relationship develops.

    As I mentioned earlier, they were found in 2003, so they'd be twelve this year.
    I'd have thought we'd have had a follow up by now. But maybe they've drifted apart and so there's been no interest. Or maybe the parents no longer wished to cooperate?

    How hard do you think with all the distractions in Sacramento, that Mia would have tried to learn Norwegian? Alexandra's mother spoke passable English, so the problem would have been less for her. It's hard to keep up a dialogue at such long distances without a common language.
  • bel110bel110 Posts: 14,073
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    ellie1997 wrote: »
    Lovely program, but one thing I did notice was the dresses were not identical.
    They were incredibly similar - both in a red gingham, but not identical. One had a white collar and was plain whilst the other a red collar and embroidered flowers \animals on the front etc.
    Though I suspect 'similar'dresses didn't make for as good a story.

    Yes agree ... happened upon this last night and it was a brilliant film and so beautifully shot and told, but I did think that it was clear the dresses were not identical and they held the shot long enough for it to be clear they were not identical so it made the claim slightly odd. I think it would have been enough to say that the American mother noticed the other baby as the dresses were so similar and was drawn to her because of that .. they didn´t have to make out they were identical dresses ...

    Apart from that it was an incredible story. I found that I was full of awe for both sets of parents. It would have been very easy to ignore the possibility that they were twins and I think many people might have walked away frightened they would lose their baby, but these amazing people not only persevered to be sure of the truth but have also done everything they can to ensure their children know their biological twin. As the mother of twins I found it very very touching and also would have loved to have known more about how they were found. It´s so sad to think there are probably many more twins who were seperated and will never know they have a twin somewhere in the world.

    I imagine the Norweigan twin will end up moving to the US as an adult, but would be great to know how they get on.
  • turquoiseblueturquoiseblue Posts: 2,431
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    Unlike some, I found this programme almost unbearably sad. Those poor little girls should have been living together with a family, preferably their own, in China. I think it's true to say that girls in China are not always wanted and two perhaps even more so. What a terrible world we live in.
  • bel110bel110 Posts: 14,073
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    It is sad, but possibly they might have had a terrible life in China even though they would be together.

    Found this online

    Alexandra and Mia were 8-years-old when the documentary was filmed. They are now 11. Angela Hanson shared with me that the girls have been together several times since the documentary was filmed, “Our visits together have varied in time from a few days to a few weeks. “

    Additionally, the girls FaceTime every weekend, “Alexandra is doing great with her English and the girls have no problem communicating.”
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    bel110 wrote: »
    It is sad, but possibly they might have had a terrible life in China even though they would be together.

    Found this online

    Alexandra and Mia were 8-years-old when the documentary was filmed. They are now 11. Angela Hanson shared with me that the girls have been together several times since the documentary was filmed, “Our visits together have varied in time from a few days to a few weeks. “

    Additionally, the girls FaceTime every weekend, “Alexandra is doing great with her English and the girls have no problem communicating.”

    As I said in my post girls aren't especially wanted in China, so it probably goes without saying that any life they might have had would not have been great had they stayed. It's unbearably sad that human life is valued so little by some.

    Thanks for the update on the girls. I guess the outcome is the best of a bad job. People eh? Dreadful creatures in so many ways.
  • Prince MonaluluPrince Monalulu Posts: 35,900
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    Update on the Twin Sisters from the California Mom

    Haven't read the article myself.
  • suesuesuesuesuesue Posts: 16,202
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    Notice this is getting another repeat tonight at 0135am on BBC 4.

    IMO highly watchable Storyville documentary for those who haven't seen in before.

    Don't understand the scheduling of the often excellent Storyville. This one has had lots of repeats but others don't seem to get a second showing. I guess they're sitting on iplayer just don't know why they don't get aired more frequently on either BBC 4 or 2.
  • Prince MonaluluPrince Monalulu Posts: 35,900
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    suesuesue wrote: »
    Notice this is getting another repeat tonight at 0135am on BBC 4.

    IMO highly watchable Storyville documentary for those who haven't seen in before.

    Don't understand the scheduling of the often excellent Storyville. This one has had lots of repeats but others don't seem to get a second showing. I guess they're sitting on iplayer just don't know why they don't get aired more frequently on either BBC 4 or 2.

    There are only 24 Storyville's on the on Iplayer.
    Storyville is all bought-in content, I don't think the BBC has a hand it it at all, unlike Timeshift and Wonderland, I'm guessing it depends on what rights they've bought or have been allowed to buy.
    Lots of Wonderland docs haven't been repeated or released on iplayer, now they've quietly dropped the strand altogether.
  • Doghouse RileyDoghouse Riley Posts: 32,491
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    We've discussed this at length on the original thread. But it might be worth watching for anyone who has not yet seen it.


    The girls will be about fourteen now, so it would be interesting to learn how their lives have progressed, how different from each other they are now and whether they still stay in regular contact or have seen each other recently.
    At a guess I'd say the Norwegian girl will now be reasonably fluent in English, but with all the distractions, some of which we saw in the programme, the American girl might not know that much Norwegian.
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