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Which two drama schools turned Jessie down?

EvilredzebraEvilredzebra Posts: 16,164
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And how much must they be cringing now!!!

I don't understand how on earth she was rejected, she has a fantastic voice. I know people who have got in to top schools who are nowhere NEAR as good as her. She regularly out-sings the trained professionals on this show. I hated her performance this week but otherwise she has been consistently good.

Would love to know why she was rejected. Unless she was applying for scholarships I just don't get it!
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    bean_of_sbbean_of_sb Posts: 7,841
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    possibly down to nerves at auditions? Either way, they missed out on a fantastic student!

    It does make me wonder how I got in, yet somebody like Jessie didn't haha....


    maybe i should apply for the next BBC talent search
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 291
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    Because she can't act?

    Imo anyway, yes she can sing but thats about it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,448
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    And how much must they be cringing now!!!

    I don't understand how on earth she was rejected, she has a fantastic voice. I know people who have got in to top schools who are nowhere NEAR as good as her. She regularly out-sings the trained professionals on this show. I hated her performance this week but otherwise she has been consistently good.

    Would love to know why she was rejected. Unless she was applying for scholarships I just don't get it!

    All of these things are Jessie as a singer. A drama school would, unsurprisingly, focus on her as an actress - and from what we can see, her acting seems distinctly inferior to her singing. She appears to be improving though.
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    I love Jessie I really do, but I can see why she was turned down. She has an amazing voice, and I do think she's a good actress, but she's not fantastic. However I think she is steadily improving as the show goes on and I do hope the drama schools that turned her down are cringing now!
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    IgnazioIgnazio Posts: 18,695
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    Ashrell wrote: »
    All of these things are Jessie as a singer. A drama school would, unsurprisingly, focus on her as an actress - and from what we can see, her acting seems distinctly inferior to her singing.
    From what we've seen so far I agree - but had she had the training of those who have attended drama school we might see a different Jessie.

    We're hardly comparing like with like.
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    EvilredzebraEvilredzebra Posts: 16,164
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    Ashrell wrote: »
    All of these things are Jessie as a singer. A drama school would, unsurprisingly, focus on her as an actress - and from what we can see, her acting seems distinctly inferior to her singing. She appears to be improving though.

    Depends which schools and which course. If it was a Musical Theatre course I would have thought her voice would be enough to get her in. The whole point of training is to sort out the acting. She clearly isn't great but she isn't THAT bad!
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    Dub1Dub1 Posts: 5,959
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    She seemed quite good in the tiny clip we saw on saturday.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 200
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    Yeah "drama school" is often used to refer to musical theatre courses as well, so they probably would have looked at her singing first. However, dancing is a big one for the musical theatre courses, and I know some schools just don't even consider you if you don't have basic dance skills (which Jessie doesn't really seem to have).

    I think Jessie is a fantastic singer, and on Saturday I thought she was the best by miles. However, if she gets the part, they're going to have to make Nancy Irish!! She will never master the cockney accent.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,204
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    They don't just look at the voice though - and it depends on the level of people she was up against.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 535
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    I'm not surprised at all if she applied for MT courses, where to get in you need to be a "triple Threat" performer, with a high level of ability in singing/acting/dancing. Jessie clearly has a fantastic voice, her acting is so-so, movementwise she is poor (sorry, no other words for it). My daughter will be applying for MT courses next year and she does 11 hours dance training a week (and she considers it her weakest skill despite having a high standard in jazz, modern, jazz and tap). As soon as she saw Jessie move she said "Now I know why she didn't get in". Some places even have dance auditions before the singing ones.

    The best thing for Jessie would be to not get in and do some dancetraining - you can't pick that up "on the Job" - and re-apply to drama school next year.
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    LaurieMarlowLaurieMarlow Posts: 5,003
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    If we knew where she applied to, we might have a better idea why she was turned down. For instance, she may have applied to RADA and LAMDA, both of which are very competitive. Judy Dench was turned down from RADA twice I think, so a rejection from there would not necessarily reflect negatively on her acting skills. I don't know much about schools that specialise in musical theatre, but again, if she applied for a very competitive school, her dancing may have put her out of the running.
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    LaurieMarlowLaurieMarlow Posts: 5,003
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    angel_cake wrote: »
    However, if she gets the part, they're going to have to make Nancy Irish!! She will never master the cockney accent.

    She has over six months to prepare. With an experienced voice coach and one to one tuition three or four times a week of course she will master it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,007
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    I think her movement probably had a lot to do with it. She did get into the final stages of the auditions for drama school ifI remember what she said correctly, so they must have strongly considered her. But it's a tough business. And yes, they probably are cringing now.
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    I don't think they will be. They are probably looking at her dancing and thinking "We were right". You see, the difference with drama school is that they are training you for a long career (hopefully) not just choosing for one part (where to be quite honest you don't have to dance much). However, in loads of musicals you DO have to dance and Jessie is simply not ready for those roles. Hence my comment aboput her needing further training in this area if she wants a long term career not just a get famous quick route.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 568
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    The best thing for Jessie would be to not get in and do some dancetraining - you can't pick that up "on the Job" - and re-apply to drama school next year.

    I don't think you are quite with the plot here.

    She is already a star.

    The only way she will be doing further training is in ALW's private studio with private tuition on ALW's dime.

    She has a national recognition factor and a really great voice. If she is cast in something and can do the job (I agree, she needs more training) she guarantees a box office. That is why Jessie Buckley will never be going to drama school again.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 568
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    This reminds me a bit of a story William Goldman once told about a meeting with George Lucas or Steven Spielberg (one of the two; can't remember which).

    Goldman said, George/Steven, how come I don't earn the gazillions you guys get? And the other said, William, you are in the wrong end of the business.

    ALW and CM know where the bottom line is, and the bottom line is not an actress who can dance a little, sing a little and act a little, which is the jack-of-all-trades standard the drama schools go for. The bottom line is bums on seats, break-even and profit.

    And the factor which underwrites the bottom line, which gets the bums onto the seats and the cash into the bank, is individual star quality.

    Jessie has that, she is probably the only person in the competition who has it (though some of the others definitely have something), and her name and her performances are now known and appreciated by millions of people.

    To repeat, she may well have lots more training, but it won't be at drama school. Or if it is, it will be under scholarship and fast track.

    Theatre is a business; artistry is merely current stock.

    And Jessie's stock is high.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 22,380
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    QUOTE=Onwards&Upwards;23483858]I don't think you are quite with the plot here.

    She is already a star.

    The only way she will be doing further training is in ALW's private studio with private tuition on ALW's dime.

    She has a national recognition factor and a really great voice. If she is cast in something and can do the job (I agree, she needs more training) she guarantees a box office. That is why Jessie Buckley will never be going to drama school again.
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    i agree.......id be surprised if she was not under contract now.:)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 568
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    I would think that, aside from the Nancy role, her IDA contract includes some pretty firm options for CM/ALW's benefit.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 22,380
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    Just hope they dont rush her.............pressure.......strain......expectations....
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    ESPIONdansantESPIONdansant Posts: 6,760
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    Nor is it even necessary at all. For some.

    I don't think either Connie or Lee were star-material (whatever the hype). But they WERE decent professionals.

    These days TV exposure alone can elevate you to stardom. Kerry Katona, for example.

    If it is decreed that you be "the one" then that celebrity-endorsement alone can get you the job.

    I think Jessie is being heavily hyped. Sam and Niamh also. The winner will be one of these. Because Cam Mack wishes it so.

    In a TV age image is everything. Get "Heat" onside as well and it's a done deal.
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    I would think that, aside from the Nancy role, her IDA contract includes some pretty firm options for CM/ALW's benefit.

    give her a couple of years.........:)
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    QUOTE=ESPIONdansant;23484299]Nor is it even necessary at all. For some.

    I don't think either Connie or Lee were star-material (whatever the hype). But they WERE decent professionals.

    These days TV exposure alone can elevate you to stardom. Kerry Katona, for example.

    If it is decreed that you be "the one" then that celebrity-endorsement alone can get you the job.

    I think Jessie is being heavily hyped. Sam and Niamh also. The winner will be one of these. Because Cam Mack wishes it so.

    In a TV age image is everything. Get "Heat" onside as well and it's a done deal.
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    yea the machine behind the program......always working:)
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    I think she's very emotionally immature for her age. Niamh and Samantha seem much more grown up. The school may have wanted her to mature a bit first. I think she would be difficult to work with as she gets very uptight when criticised and she is grossely overconfident
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    IgnazioIgnazio Posts: 18,695
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    Tortue wrote: »
    I think she's very emotionally immature for her age. Niamh and Samantha seem much more grown up. The school may have wanted her to mature a bit first. I think she would be difficult to work with as she gets very uptight when criticised and she is grossely overconfident

    Pointless taking part unless one believes in oneself - and I really think Niamh is the most immature. That isn't meant as overly critical, she is of course still an A level student - and I get the impression she has led a fairly sheltered life.

    Could be completely wrong of course.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 535
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    Interested to hear about fast tracking by scholarship - don't know which schools dothat, never heard of it.
    You say Jessies is a star - she is at the moment a minor celebrity - there is a difference! A celeb who can sing - there are lots of those about. Stars? Well that's a different matter. Just think for a minute - what other roles could Jessie do at the moment? Not many - I'm not syaing she couldn't do them one day, butnot now. Also you agree she needs more training - but when? You don't exactly have a lots of free time if you are doing a WE show. Just how could she fit in basic (let alone advanced) dance training???
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