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    Armagideon TimeArmagideon Time Posts: 2,412
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    I do dislike linking to this man but it's an interesting thought although I'm not sure it has any basis

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2990702/Racing-giving-broadcasters-chance-buy-rights-individual-races-bid-boost-declining-TV-figures.html

    Wasn't just Charles Sale reporting this story; it was also in The Guardian.
    Amazingly I was just reading that from a link on Twitter!

    It will happen for sure and will play right into the hands of the BBC who I am sure would love the Grand National and Royal Ascot back.

    If other sport is anything to go by the racing authorities could stand to gain millions and they know full well if some go back to the BBC viewing figures will sharply rise.
    I can see this causing big problems for Horse racing.
    Channel 4 lose the crown jewels and I reckon they will throw the towel in altogether.

    Racing has no divine right to be live on terrestrial TV every week, especially when there are TWO dedicated racing channels and other, bigger sports in this country don't have live action on FTA week-in, week-out. And I'm a racing fan (but doesn't have one of the specialist racing channels).
    Nick Luck will head Channel 4's Grand National coverage, with Gok Wan and Frankie Dettori.
    Luck is the correct decision in my view, not sure what Dettori adds to a jump meeting and Gok Wan is just daft.

    http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/nick-luck-luck-to-head-up-grand-national-team-for-channel-4/1837059/latest/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews

    Agree, common sense has prevailed with Luck anchoring, but Dettori and Wan are only there as they are people who "the once-a-year racing viewers" recognise. Having Dettori there is akin to having (Rugby League legend) Ellery Hanley as a Rugby Union pundit on the Six Nations and as for Wan, Aintree is a festival where racing is well and truly primary and fashion well and truly secondary (and pointless).
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    Neil_HarrisNeil_Harris Posts: 1,822
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    Racing has no divine right to be live on terrestrial TV every week, especially when there are TWO dedicated racing channels and other, bigger sports in this country don't have live action on FTA week-in, week-out. And I'm a racing fan (but doesn't have one of the specialist racing channels).

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    Of course, but if it disappeared from Saturday afternoons it would have dire consequences for the sport. I wasn't suggesting it had any kind of right.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,295
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    Charlie Sale of the Daily Mail, only wants a carve-up of the terrestrial rights so that..

    a) If the BBC bid (and win) the rights for the Grand National or Royal Ascot - he can have a go at them for even thinking about 'wasting' licence fee payers money on something like that..

    ..and..

    b) Then have a go at them, if they get the rights back, at the viewing figures not being as high as when they had them previously. If the figures are lower - he'll point that out. If the figures are higher, he'll try and twist the audience share figure around to be worse than last time.

    He has to follow the editorial line that every story is a bad story about if it's about the BBC
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    PizzatheactionPizzatheaction Posts: 20,157
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    Is Sale still being allowed to write his sports rights column? After all the cobblers about the Premier League auction?! :confused:
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    BigOrangeBigOrange Posts: 59,674
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    Channel 4 Racing did an ITV Sport today and missed most of the 2.40 at Lingfield due to an ill timed commercial break. Oops! Still, this is Channel 4, who take the sport so seriously Gok Wan will be one of the lead presenters of next week's Grand National coverage.

    Also - no HD cameras at Lingfield yet so we were lumbered with a fuzzy feed, which in this day and age is incredibly embarrassing. One sport that benefits ENORMOUSLY from HD is horse racing. Why on earth is it not a standard thing at ALL tracks ? Even at the all weathers that are mostly tucked away on ATR, with HD replays offered online. And will Racing UK ever go HD themselves as it seems forever ago that they first mooted the idea and yet nothing has come of it.
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    BigOrangeBigOrange Posts: 59,674
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    On a more positive side, and not strictly coverage related, I was delighted to see Adam Kirby beat the better fancied Godolphin pair in the aforementioned race. He totally outclassed the first choice riders and it won't be the last time he does that this summer, except next time it will be other connections that benefit no doubt.

    How he didn't get the Appleby job is beyond me. The lad hasn't put a foot wrong riding for him all winter and is much more reliable than Buick.
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    The National was first televised by the BBC in 1960 - it would be great to see it return to its spiritual home.I remember watching when Red Rum won for the third time and Peter O'Sullevan was virtually speechless:D
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    Neil_HarrisNeil_Harris Posts: 1,822
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    Channel 4 going to town again this week.
    Morning lines on Thursday & Friday, Chatty man, a 2 hour morning line followed by a Saturday brunch all extras to the actual racing itself.

    Really hope they are rewarded with good figures.
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    Neil_HarrisNeil_Harris Posts: 1,822
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    Channel 4 going to town again this week.
    Morning lines on Thursday & Friday, Chatty man, a 2 hour morning line followed by a Saturday brunch all extras to the actual racing itself.

    Really hope they are rewarded with good figures.

    Stunning coverage this week too. Really impressed with yesterdays coverage.
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    BBC Northern Ireland are covering racing from Down Royal on Saturday - a slight missed opportunity as they've put it on BBC2.
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    Chris_WilsonChris_Wilson Posts: 1,469
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    Stunning coverage this week too. Really impressed with yesterdays coverage.

    c4 racing coverage has always been good and yesterdays was no exception and I particulary liked the Frankel documentary Saturday
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    Neil_HarrisNeil_Harris Posts: 1,822
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    ftv wrote: »
    BBC Northern Ireland are covering racing from Down Royal on Saturday - a slight missed opportunity as they've put it on BBC2.

    Has this happened before?
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    Has this happened before?

    They used to cover it regularly back in the 60s but when The Troubles broke out the OB unit was locked in the garage and didn't come out for years.
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    Darren LethemDarren Lethem Posts: 61,699
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    I may be the exception to the rule but I really do not like C4 coverage much at all now. It is incredibly sycophantic during Ascot week and it has become too elitist. It has lost that "man in the bookie" touch. It doesn't relate at all to the vast majority of its audience.
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    Michael WalshMichael Walsh Posts: 1,508
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    ftv wrote: »
    They used to cover it regularly back in the 60s but when The Troubles broke out the OB unit was locked in the garage and didn't come out for years.

    I read the last time they covered this meeting was back in 1994.
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    BigOrangeBigOrange Posts: 59,674
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    Highlight of the week's coverage so far comes from At The Races. Channel 4 might be able to show the actual races, but they can't top this...

    https://vine.co/v/eePxHHB5ZeY
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    Chris_WilsonChris_Wilson Posts: 1,469
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    Dancc wrote: »
    Highlight of the week's coverage so far comes from At The Races. Channel 4 might be able to show the actual races, but they can't top this...

    https://vine.co/v/eePxHHB5ZeY

    no it can't that was awesome, thommo is a legend
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    tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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    Has this happened before?

    The Northern Irish Derby was regularly covered by the BBC and shown throughout the UK in the early/mid 90's
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    tony321 wrote: »
    The Northern Irish Derby was regularly covered by the BBC and shown throughout the UK in the early/mid 90's

    It's only being shown in Northern Ireland this time, AP McCoy is the guest
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    PizzatheactionPizzatheaction Posts: 20,157
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    Any viewing figures for Ascot? :)
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    clever3000clever3000 Posts: 5,080
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    I know that Simon Holt gets a lot of praise for his commentary but is it just me who thinks that Richard Hoilles is better?
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    pakokelso93pakokelso93 Posts: 11,030
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    clever3000 wrote: »
    I know that Simon Holt gets a lot of praise for his commentary but is it just me who thinks that Richard Hoilles is better?

    Hoilles is decent enough. Wouldn't say better. Holt & Ian Bartlett for me I enjoy.
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    tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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    Simon Holt is not as good as he was
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    casinoman13casinoman13 Posts: 7,084
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    tony321 wrote: »
    Simon Holt is not as good as he was

    Yes I would tend to agree with this, he is certainly not as sharp as he was and compared to a few years ago makes mistakes in closing stages.

    Still however on the good side but there are better around, Jon Hunt for me is still the best in the business and a shame he didn't get a chance on BBC or Channel 4 but clearly still does a good job on the pay tv channels.

    Also like Mark Johnson and Stewart Machin who I thought were top quality on Racing TV for the Grand National.

    As far as Richard Hoilles goes, not up there with the best, lacks excitement in decent finishes.
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    clever3000clever3000 Posts: 5,080
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    As far as Richard Hoilles goes, not up there with the best, lacks excitement in decent finishes.

    The good points i find about Richard Hoilles are that he is very clear, with him you get a strong understanding regarding where each individual horse is and therefore when you are supporting a particular horse you will always know where it is when Hoilles is commentating, something which doesn't occur when Simon Holt is commentating.

    Also as a side note i would have to say that commentating on Horse Racing has to be one of the hardest commentary jobs out there, as you need to memorise each of the jockeys clothing, the positions of all horses and the ability to describe it all to the listener. It is simply a much harder job than commentating on Football, Rugby or Cricket etc..
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