Monique is a red herring I'm sure. A chance meeting in Paris. Thrown in to confuse.
Why would Alain's supposed daughter(his wife has never mentioned her) seek out Tony possibly follow him across the country and seduce him? Doesn't feel it sits in the plot other than as a complete red herring.
Possibly letting my imagination run riot, but on second viewing it looked that when the bent cop handed over the evidence there seemed to be a round indentation on the envelope......medal shaped? But, as other posters have pointed out, would the dodgy reporter really appreciate the significance of an alcoholic's medal? I'm not sure, it's hardly a smoking gun is it?
I agree, he wouldn't be aware of the significance in the slightest. But this probably explains why the evidence is still 'unknown' to Baptiste. if it was a 'smoking gun' or critical evidence then either he would have informed the police, or more likely he would have revealed it in the newspaper or in his book. The fact he hasn't suggests he doesn't know the significance.
I would imagine the next step is for Tony and Baptiste to go and see the policeman in prison, then find out he passed the evidence to Malik, and only when Tony sees the evidence will he understand why it is relevant.
Monique is a red herring I'm sure. A chance meeting in Paris. Thrown in to confuse.
Why would Alain's supposed daughter(his wife has never mentioned her) seek out Tony possibly follow him across the country and seduce him? Doesn't feel it sits in the plot other than as a complete red herring.
Yes have to agree, If Tony was sat down and she suddenly approached him then it could be a set up. maybe the Rumanian gang also based in Paris but didn't happen like that, she was sat painting in a square before he randomly walked past and sat down near to her, no way could that be set up.
The paedophiles thing could be a red herring. He could be being looked after well by a new family who have no idea he was abducted. Although he would surely talk about his old family.
Monique is a red herring I'm sure. A chance meeting in Paris. Thrown in to confuse.
Why would Alain's supposed daughter(his wife has never mentioned her) seek out Tony possibly follow him across the country and seduce him? Doesn't feel it sits in the plot other than as a complete red herring.
There appears to be very few or any red herrings in this. The script is very tight. What seemed as ad hoc at the time come back as relevant in later episodes.
I agree re: Monique, nothing has been a red herring up to now, and really don't believe it was all as simple as a one night stand (afternoon stand?) with no further involvement.
God knows what it will be though, thats the beauty of this programme I guess
I am coming round to the way of thinking that Malik is a victim in all this, avenging his brother on behalf of his dad and using Ollies case as a means to an end. This would explain and in some way justify his rudeness, directness and almost callous nature from minute 1, also would explain why he was so quickly on the offensive to find out more when it could have been a straightforward abduction.
Finally Mark - 6 episodes in and we've seen hints that hes not a nice guy until Tuesdays episode when he was the hero on multiple occasions. Is he just mis direction of will his character take centre stage? Could he have been in the town to sell his own son maybe?
I agree re: Monique, nothing has been a red herring up to now, and really don't believe it was all as simple as a one night stand (afternoon stand?) with no further involvement.
God knows what it will be though, thats the beauty of this programme I guess
I am coming round to the way of thinking that Malik is a victim in all this, avenging his brother on behalf of his dad and using Ollies case as a means to an end. This would explain and in some way justify his rudeness, directness and almost callous nature from minute 1, also would explain why he was so quickly on the offensive to find out more when it could have been a straightforward abduction.
Finally Mark - 6 episodes in and we've seen hints that hes not a nice guy until Tuesdays episode when he was the hero on multiple occasions. Is he just mis direction of will his character take centre stage? Could he have been in the town to sell his own son maybe?
Quite a few folks said early on we are being told to dislike Malik. A nasty journalist. As you say this could be mis direction. Likewise Mark has not been written too badly and reached hero status last week. I know folks on here have been suspicious but more based on gut/previous drama than actual content. The fact that Mark worked for Interpol says that he was closer to the goings on ie drugs trafficking etc He is not your normal liaison officer.
Just had a thought. Mark said he had resigned from Police. Has he found out stuff about Ollie disappearance that was not released as it was part of a much bigger investigation. ?
Quite a few folks said early on we are being told to dislike Malik...
I don't find Malik to be particularly nasty, just a journalist obsessed with a story. Although he's working for a national paper now, I do find it curious that he was working on a local paper at the time of Olly's disappearance.
He had prior knowledge of something going on through his father's work, so I wonder if he cracked the Moroccan link (and part of the Hughes story) which in turn led to good job offers coming in.
I don't find Malik to be particularly nasty, just a journalist obsessed with a story. Although he's working for a national paper now, I do find it curious that he was working on a local paper at the time of Olly's disappearance.
He had prior knowledge of something going on through his father's work, so I wonder if he cracked the Moroccan link (and part of the Hughes story) which in turn led to good job offers coming in.
He was seen queuing up for a job at the Telegraph, chatting to Mark in one of the episodes. His methods of getting information are vile. It's because of him that Baptiste is limping now.
Mark in the meantime lost or gave up his job but can't remember why.
I don't find Malik to be particularly nasty, just a journalist obsessed with a story. Although he's working for a national paper now, I do find it curious that he was working on a local paper at the time of Olly's disappearance.
He had prior knowledge of something going on through his father's work, so I wonder if he cracked the Moroccan link (and part of the Hughes story) which in turn led to good job offers coming in.
I used the word nasty in terms of the stereotype we have had pushed on us by the campaigns in UK of late. Some of it has been extreme. This will be play to stereotype but he will be the good guy uncovering evidence. Using underhand tactics maybe. Even dodgy but end justifies the means.
This would certainly tie a few loose ends together. Monique would be the mystery niece that the mayor George Deloix has been talking about (i.e. his brother Alain's daughter).
The paedophiles thing could be a red herring. He could be being looked after well by a new family who have no idea he was abducted. Although he would surely talk about his old family.
Sadly like folks who hang onto Maddie living in utopia somewhere in the world it is highly unlikely. In fact I will be disappointed if the writers cop out in this story with an unrealistic ending.
Quite a few folks said early on we are being told to dislike Malik. A nasty journalist. As you say this could be mis direction. Likewise Mark has not been written too badly and reached hero status last week. I know folks on here have been suspicious but more based on gut/previous drama than actual content. The fact that Mark worked for Interpol says that he was closer to the goings on ie drugs trafficking etc He is not your normal liaison officer.
Just had a thought. Mark said he had resigned from Police. Has he found out stuff about Ollie disappearance that was not released as it was part of a much bigger investigation. ?
I may be wrong and have to re-visit this, but, I was under the impression that Mark didn't actually work for Interpol? I thought that was just a lie created by Julien when interogating Bourg in order to scare him into telling the truth?
If I recall correctly, Julien said to Mark he needed a favour then Mark joined the interview under the ruse of being from the Interpol online investigation unit (or something along those lines), can you anyone back this up or refute this?
I agree re: Monique, nothing has been a red herring up to now, and really don't believe it was all as simple as a one night stand (afternoon stand?) with no further involvement.
God knows what it will be though, thats the beauty of this programme I guess
I am coming round to the way of thinking that Malik is a victim in all this, avenging his brother on behalf of his dad and using Ollies case as a means to an end. This would explain and in some way justify his rudeness, directness and almost callous nature from minute 1, also would explain why he was so quickly on the offensive to find out more when it could have been a straightforward abduction?
Do we know for definite that Malik had a brother - I cant remember this being referenced in the show, just something about an unsolved murder.
And I still don't understand how he knows that ziane is connected either. Its this bit of the story that's really confusing me...
I may be wrong and have to re-visit this, but, I was under the impression that Mark didn't actually work for Interpol? I thought that was just a lie created by Julien when interogating Bourg in order to scare him into telling the truth?
If I recall correctly, Julien said to Mark he needed a favour then Mark joined the interview under the ruse of being from the Interpol online investigation unit (or something along those lines), can you anyone back this up or refute this?
That's right, Mark doesn't work for Interpol ) he was pretending to be a computer expert to put the frighteners in Bourg
I agree re: Monique, nothing has been a red herring up to now, and really don't believe it was all as simple as a one night stand (afternoon stand?) with no further involvement.
God knows what it will be though, thats the beauty of this programme I guess
I am coming round to the way of thinking that Malik is a victim in all this, avenging his brother on behalf of his dad and using Ollies case as a means to an end. This would explain and in some way justify his rudeness, directness and almost callous nature from minute 1, also would explain why he was so quickly on the offensive to find out more when it could have been a straightforward abduction.
Finally Mark - 6 episodes in and we've seen hints that hes not a nice guy until Tuesdays episode when he was the hero on mult iple occasions. Is he just mis direction of will his character take centre stage? Could he have been in the town to sell his own son maybe?
This would certainly tie a few loose ends together. Monique would be the mystery niece that the mayor George Deloix has been talking about (i.e. his brother Alain's daughter).
Is his niece the daughter of Sylvie and Alain? He mentioned early on in the series(episode 1 or 2) that he used to go for a drink with her after work but she had to find work elsewhere as the town became a ghost town after Ollies abduction. Could she have had something to do with the abduction or knowledge of it and that's what really lead her to leave town?
I don't believe the paedophile ring is anything to do with Ollies disappearance.
Ollies drawing of daddy big ears was left in the car in the garage unattended for a few days. Enough time for someone to copy it onto the wall in the cellar. Why did Karl not clean it off the wall, why did he assume it was drawn by Ollie? Was he told not to clean it off? Someone setting up a false lead maybe. Though admittedly as it took 8 years to discover this is unlikely.
Sorry for rambling on. Probably nothing I've said is of any relevance, just more food for thought.
The paedophiles thing could be a red herring. He could be being looked after well by a new family who have no idea he was abducted. Although he would surely talk about his old family.
This is a supposition of what might have happened to Madeleine McCann.
Some folks will grasp at straws in denial of the worst scenario if they think a missing child is findable ?
Ollies drawing of daddy big ears was left in the car in the garage unattended for a few days. Enough time for someone to copy it onto the wall in the cellar. Why did Karl not clean it off the wall, why did he assume it was drawn by Ollie? Was he told not to clean it off? Someone setting up a false lead maybe. Though admittedly as it took 8 years to discover this is unlikely.
It did seem odd that he said he decided to leave it, as getting rid of all traces "would not be right". As you say, how would he have known it was a drawing done (possibly) by Ollie
Also, how come the genuine householders never uncovered it in 8 years? As well as this, when Seig was cleaning, how did he know what to clean and leave behind and what to remove? Essentially the cellar is a garage, and I am sure that if someone came into my garage, sprayed blood everywhere and then cleaned it, I'd know what had been move and removed afterwards, and also possibly smell cleaning agents!
Maybe the scarf and then picture were all planted by Sylvie in 2014 as an attempt to get Tony back into town...They tipped Sieg off about the picture so he dropped it into conversation hoping to elicit some good feeling?! But it is all some massive goose chase
Can someone answer a couple of queries please ?
1 Was Tony's job ever revealed ?
2 How has he been supporting himself for the last 8 years as he appears to have made his search for Ollie his whole raison d'etre ? He obviously has no savings as he had to ask Emily for the 15000 euros.
Probably not relevant to the story but I'm just curious.
Also Mark at one time said to Emily "remember what happened in 2009) Has this been clarified ?
Thank you and thanks for your company on this thread. It's almost been as good as the programme
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Why would Alain's supposed daughter(his wife has never mentioned her) seek out Tony possibly follow him across the country and seduce him? Doesn't feel it sits in the plot other than as a complete red herring.
I agree, he wouldn't be aware of the significance in the slightest. But this probably explains why the evidence is still 'unknown' to Baptiste. if it was a 'smoking gun' or critical evidence then either he would have informed the police, or more likely he would have revealed it in the newspaper or in his book. The fact he hasn't suggests he doesn't know the significance.
I would imagine the next step is for Tony and Baptiste to go and see the policeman in prison, then find out he passed the evidence to Malik, and only when Tony sees the evidence will he understand why it is relevant.
Alive after 8 years with paedophiles?
The paedophiles thing could be a red herring. He could be being looked after well by a new family who have no idea he was abducted. Although he would surely talk about his old family.
Yes I too hope Ollie is alive however as I said in my post #1537 it still won't be a happy ending.
There appears to be very few or any red herrings in this. The script is very tight. What seemed as ad hoc at the time come back as relevant in later episodes.
God knows what it will be though, thats the beauty of this programme I guess
I am coming round to the way of thinking that Malik is a victim in all this, avenging his brother on behalf of his dad and using Ollies case as a means to an end. This would explain and in some way justify his rudeness, directness and almost callous nature from minute 1, also would explain why he was so quickly on the offensive to find out more when it could have been a straightforward abduction.
Finally Mark - 6 episodes in and we've seen hints that hes not a nice guy until Tuesdays episode when he was the hero on multiple occasions. Is he just mis direction of will his character take centre stage? Could he have been in the town to sell his own son maybe?
Quite a few folks said early on we are being told to dislike Malik. A nasty journalist. As you say this could be mis direction. Likewise Mark has not been written too badly and reached hero status last week. I know folks on here have been suspicious but more based on gut/previous drama than actual content. The fact that Mark worked for Interpol says that he was closer to the goings on ie drugs trafficking etc He is not your normal liaison officer.
Just had a thought. Mark said he had resigned from Police. Has he found out stuff about Ollie disappearance that was not released as it was part of a much bigger investigation. ?
I don't find Malik to be particularly nasty, just a journalist obsessed with a story. Although he's working for a national paper now, I do find it curious that he was working on a local paper at the time of Olly's disappearance.
He had prior knowledge of something going on through his father's work, so I wonder if he cracked the Moroccan link (and part of the Hughes story) which in turn led to good job offers coming in.
He was seen queuing up for a job at the Telegraph, chatting to Mark in one of the episodes. His methods of getting information are vile. It's because of him that Baptiste is limping now.
Mark in the meantime lost or gave up his job but can't remember why.
I used the word nasty in terms of the stereotype we have had pushed on us by the campaigns in UK of late. Some of it has been extreme. This will be play to stereotype but he will be the good guy uncovering evidence. Using underhand tactics maybe. Even dodgy but end justifies the means.
Do you remember which episode that was in?
Sadly like folks who hang onto Maddie living in utopia somewhere in the world it is highly unlikely. In fact I will be disappointed if the writers cop out in this story with an unrealistic ending.
I may be wrong and have to re-visit this, but, I was under the impression that Mark didn't actually work for Interpol? I thought that was just a lie created by Julien when interogating Bourg in order to scare him into telling the truth?
If I recall correctly, Julien said to Mark he needed a favour then Mark joined the interview under the ruse of being from the Interpol online investigation unit (or something along those lines), can you anyone back this up or refute this?
Do we know for definite that Malik had a brother - I cant remember this being referenced in the show, just something about an unsolved murder.
And I still don't understand how he knows that ziane is connected either. Its this bit of the story that's really confusing me...
That's right, Mark doesn't work for Interpol ) he was pretending to be a computer expert to put the frighteners in Bourg
Why on earth would anyone sell their own son?!!!
Is his niece the daughter of Sylvie and Alain? He mentioned early on in the series(episode 1 or 2) that he used to go for a drink with her after work but she had to find work elsewhere as the town became a ghost town after Ollies abduction. Could she have had something to do with the abduction or knowledge of it and that's what really lead her to leave town?
I don't believe the paedophile ring is anything to do with Ollies disappearance.
Ollies drawing of daddy big ears was left in the car in the garage unattended for a few days. Enough time for someone to copy it onto the wall in the cellar. Why did Karl not clean it off the wall, why did he assume it was drawn by Ollie? Was he told not to clean it off? Someone setting up a false lead maybe. Though admittedly as it took 8 years to discover this is unlikely.
Sorry for rambling on. Probably nothing I've said is of any relevance, just more food for thought.
Roll on Tuesday:)
Some folks will grasp at straws in denial of the worst scenario if they think a missing child is findable ?
It did seem odd that he said he decided to leave it, as getting rid of all traces "would not be right". As you say, how would he have known it was a drawing done (possibly) by Ollie
Also, how come the genuine householders never uncovered it in 8 years? As well as this, when Seig was cleaning, how did he know what to clean and leave behind and what to remove? Essentially the cellar is a garage, and I am sure that if someone came into my garage, sprayed blood everywhere and then cleaned it, I'd know what had been move and removed afterwards, and also possibly smell cleaning agents!
1 Was Tony's job ever revealed ?
2 How has he been supporting himself for the last 8 years as he appears to have made his search for Ollie his whole raison d'etre ? He obviously has no savings as he had to ask Emily for the 15000 euros.
Probably not relevant to the story but I'm just curious.
Also Mark at one time said to Emily "remember what happened in 2009) Has this been clarified ?
Thank you and thanks for your company on this thread. It's almost been as good as the programme