Wot about the Workers at the Royal Mail?
Counter staff at the Royal Mail have been offered no pay rise but a lump sum tied to unspecified conditions, and have voted to strike in protest. Some will say there's a recession, they have to accept they've got to make sacrifices.
Perhaps they might if their bosses were applying that criteria to themselves, but,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-mail/9876271/Bonuses-at-Royal-Mail-rise-by-two-thirds.html
The national postal operator has been forced to admit that it agreed a secret 62 per cent increase in bonuses for thousands of its managers last year.
Royal Mail’s chief executive Moya Greene received a £371,000 bonus, taking her pay to £1.1 million and making her one of Britain’s highest-paid officials.
A Department for Business spokesman defended the payments, saying they were “designed to incentivise managers to achieve the transformation of the business”.
We're all in this together.:rolleyes:
Perhaps they might if their bosses were applying that criteria to themselves, but,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-mail/9876271/Bonuses-at-Royal-Mail-rise-by-two-thirds.html
The national postal operator has been forced to admit that it agreed a secret 62 per cent increase in bonuses for thousands of its managers last year.
Royal Mail’s chief executive Moya Greene received a £371,000 bonus, taking her pay to £1.1 million and making her one of Britain’s highest-paid officials.
A Department for Business spokesman defended the payments, saying they were “designed to incentivise managers to achieve the transformation of the business”.
We're all in this together.:rolleyes:
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Instead, they give bonuses to management so they spend their time devising ways of tightening the screw on the lowest level employees, increasing friction and dissatisfaction in the workplace and improving nothing.
It doesn't work like that. She's the CEO for a reason and if her pay is not commensurate with that of private sector competitors,she is gone. People like her are a limited quantity, Not anyone can do her job.
Posties are not rare at all, pretty much anyone can do their job. It is simple supply and demand.
There is this very strange notion in this forum that people who are somehow working with heir hand and legs are worth more than people who use their brains. In that case, no one would ever go to university or do MBA's.
I think you're grossly over-exaggerating the position of some there. 'Worth more' is pushing it a bit. If this woman had a base pay of around £700k+ before the bonus then she's probably quite valuable to the company compared to the posties out there taking home 15k.
Chucking her an extra £370k as an incentive to do her job, as well as 62% bonuses for thousands of other managers seems mad when giving the people at the bottom a little bit more would surely improve service and productivity. The workers at the bottom see the people above them getting huge bonuses in return for pushing them harder, while they themselves get nothing, and it will just create dissatisfaction.
It's even worse than that. The workers will take industrial action (or just threaten to do so) and the media will attack them for inconveniencing the public. The politicians will attack them for this as well. They will also attack them for harming the economy. Everyone will attack them for not being grateful for having a job.
The few criticising the regime will be drowned out by this.
Nothing will change.
The counter staff who have voted to strike work for the Post Office Limited. Moya Greene (and the other managers mentioned in the Telegraph article) works for Royal Mail Group.
So no, they're not it in together at all.
The management at Royal Mail are bastards, have been bastards for years and will probably always will remain bastards.
Yes i wonder how that can be higher management need money to incentivise them.
Whilst workers need nothing more then lower wages and harsher conditions.
Our Postman has to drag this huge cart around with him and padlock it to a lamp post every now and again so he can go about his deliveries. I feel sorry for these people and it is about time that the excuses for over-paying and giving enormous pay rises to the people at the top stops.
It is a little acknowledged fact that most of the top people are figure heads. Practically all they do all day is schmooze and take lunches. The real work is done by their underlings. Trebles all round I would say!
They also should not be looking around for a better paid job they should be looking at how they can improve their business so that everyone can (a) keep their job and (b) get pay rises together.
Finally anyone who will jump ship at the first hint of a better offer and demands these kind of financial rewards is not an asset to the business.
Sadly, so true:(
Having watched Dagenham last night, It showed it takes a lot of courage and sacrifice to fight the system, and when all the high cards are increasingly given to those at the top, it gets even more difficult.
The government is puzzling over the country's poor productivity. You get what you pay for! When employees feel undervalued and under renumerated, overworked and stressed, then it's not hard to understand why productivity is heading downwards.
What so many fail to see is that Unions are the saving grace of businesses, if only they would work with them properly.
And there is a very strange notion that people who use there brains. are worth more and know what there doing , proof state of the country. To many people at the top get paid to much plus bonus plus there goldern hand shake for doing a bad job, If it was not for the people working with there hand and legs, there would be not job for them at the top, each person in any compay is important because without each other it would not work
What we think is that the trouble we're in was caused by the highest paid amongst us failing spectacularly and would like to see some more results first before throwing millions around in salaries again.
It would seem so, it certainly hasn't been to give the ladies behind the counter a pay rise, nor has it provided them with the extra staff needed to manage the queues at the counters. If a supermarket made you wait as long to get to a checkout they'd be out of business by now.
BTW this is not an argument for competition Tory Boys, competition in postal services has not in any way improved service to the public thus far. Its led to a deterioration in my experience.
The 373 directly-owned Crown Post Offices make an annual loss of £40 million. It would be an extremely stupid idea to make that loss even greater.
I wouldn't have a problem if they did use their brains or if they had some. These jobs are often filled by those who only talk a good fight and often know only what they have filched from others. I've seen enough HR departments at workplaces in my time where frankly their lack of insight, dynamism or people skills is truly incredible.
'tis true they are leeches.
That's pedantic.
Do post office counter staff work only with their hands and legs? Really?
As to exec pay needing to be stratospheric, yes bankers told us that, and their pay is indeed stratospheric, and look what it's resulted in. They bust most of their industry and committed outragous frauds like Libor fixing, PIP and interest rate swaps.
Such levels of pay as we now see for execs and bankers could only be justified if they were the result of market forces, but they aren't. I suspect you know as well as I that exec pay, in both private and public sector, is determined by a Remuneration Committee, whose members are fellow execs, their mates and politicians, who award each other increasingly extravagant pay.We can only speculate on what exec pay would be if it were market determined, my guess being that for most it would be a lot less than they now get.
And probably wrong too