Dog jealous of other dogs on the field.

yorkiegalyorkiegal Posts: 18,929
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I have a boxerdog who previously had a reputation for being an absolute softie who got along with all the dogs on our local field.
This changed a few months ago when he started pouncing on other dogs and pinning them down. He doesn't nip or bite them but holds them down and growls. He has usually been happily playing with them before that and they are usually either the submissive type like springers, or young dogs, although not pups.

I've been trying to figure out what the trigger is so I can try to train him out of this behaviour. He definitely gets upset if owners are giving out treats and he thinks the other dog is going to take his. He also doesn't like me giving attention to other dogs. Again he only acts dominant towards those who are ultra submissive and usually doesn't act badly unless they are laying on their back.

There is one particular dog, a young beagle, whom he really seems to dislike now, despite having been friends before. He will stand and eyeball him from a distance then charge at him and pin him down. btw the owner of this dog is great and is trying to help me figure out what the problem is. His dog can run faster than mine. We think its jealousy because today I called the young dog who was hanging back and Baxter immediately ran at him. Minutes later they were both sniffing around the edge of the park together and were fine. They were away from me.

Do you think this problem could have started because Baxter had reached maturity? He will be 3 in March and has also started becoming a lot more protective at home, barking a lot at any noises outside.

Obviously I don't want my dog to hurt any of his playmates. At the moment at the first sign of trouble he is put on his lead and calms down straightaway, but I don't think this is a good way to deal with it because being on the lead means he's right next to me and therefore getting the attention he's craving.
I've tried taking toys down to the field and really interacting with him and that helps until we stop and then he's possessive again.

I no longer take treats to the field but other dog walkers keep giving them out to the dogs.

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  • MuzeMuze Posts: 2,225
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    Could potentially be he's reached social maturity but IME this can be a boxer's play style, especailly if allowed to play unchecked with any other dog from a young age.

    Could you utilise a long line for the time being, so he can be easily removed when he's getting OTT, whilst you work an a really solid recall.

    Sorry can't be more help, my older dog was a boxer cross and played like this, we jsut had to make sure she was under control at all times and find her confident playmates :)
  • frisky pythonfrisky python Posts: 9,737
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    Sounds a little bit like my dog (a goldie bitch). She will jump on dogs and growl, but it's playing. She too used to be the dog that go on with every other dog when a pup, but about a year ago (just turned 1) she turned into a pain and I really thought it was bad behaviour. I did some training with a trainer on recommendation but it didn't focus on the social side (more obedience) so found another trainer who focused on the social side and they said it was the way she played. She was also picking up on my anxiety over her behaviour and being a bit protective over me.

    It does depend on other owners - some are fine and recognise that my dog is engaging in play. Others completely dislike it and says she's aggressive and I can't blame them for that because that's how I felt about it. I also concentrated on good recall and 90% of the time she is great but 10% she goes deaf! We now walk with a group regularly so she can socialise with dogs (and their owners) that are tolerant and they can all learn from each other.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    I wonder if this is caused by allowing too much free play as a youngster ? I have seen several dogs over the years play like this and they have all been ones who were friendly and allowed to play unchecked from a young age.

    Problem as you say is will other owners see this as aggresion and could they hurt old or vulnerable dogs accidentaly, also if they try it with a dog aggresive dog they could be in deep trouble.

    I would imagine training is the real answer but how I am not too sure. If you don't mind I will pm about another forum where they have some expert help and support.
  • frisky pythonfrisky python Posts: 9,737
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    Can I ask what you mean by "free play" and "play unchecked" Molliepops? The trainers that I went to said that the dogs themselves will correct each other and that dogs need to learn to pick up on cues from each other. We've taught ours the usual obedience and bite inhibition but when it comes to social interaction with other dogs I would've thought free play would've been the best way to learn about other dogs?

    If there is a way of the owner teaching this I'd be interested.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    I do mean leaving them to sort it out themselves. Some dogs are incredibly tolerant of youngsters and let them get away with far more than the mother dog would do, so the youngster learns to play rougher than they should. I always step in and stop too rough play so they learn not to do it. I don't mean hover and stop it as soon as they start but use a bit of common sense and stop anything I consider OTT or likely to lead to pain for either dog. They have in my home to learn to play gently and generally they do.

    All my experience and opinion of course I am not expert but I know what has worked for us.
  • yorkiegalyorkiegal Posts: 18,929
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    I definitely don't think it is play with Baxter. Yes I did pretty much let him get on with it and play when he was a youngster and like most boxers his play is very boisterous. He still engages in that occasionally with other like minded dogs and it's lovely to see.

    This is very different. When he pounces on the dog he locks his paws round their neck, keeps his own head up and growls. His tail is down. When I pull him off he often lunges to get them again.

    Today I took him down to the field with a pocket full of cheese. I had a lovely play, just me and him and a new tug toy and mixed this with some training. I taught him to stay, which I haven't done until now and he really enjoyed himself.

    I got chatting to a lab owner whom bax has never had a problem with and he agreed to hold bax by the collar whilst I petted his dog, then went back to bax and gave him a big fuss and some cheese. It was very obvious that he didn't like me touching the other dog at all. Tail down and ears back and when we let him go he ran over and batted the lab on the nose.

    I have a 50ft lunge rein which I might use for a while as suggested so I can grab him back.
    the only other problem is that for one of his walks each day he is accompanied by my neighbours lurcher, whom I look after, and she's hard work too. So I'm going to put in an extra walk each day just with my own dog so we can do a lot more training and try and assert myself as boss again.
  • Susan_A1951Susan_A1951 Posts: 1,081
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    You sound like a wonderful owner - and with great respect for your own dog and those of others.

    One thing you don't mention. Your boxer is coming up to 3 and full maturity. Has he been neutered? If not - then it is possible that his behaviour is orientated towards the need of being the pack leader. He may want to dominate other males and also control any females he comes into contact with. The domination theme does seem to point towards that.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    I do agree it does seem to sound more like domination than play from that.
  • yorkiegalyorkiegal Posts: 18,929
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    You sound like a wonderful owner - and with great respect for your own dog and those of others.

    One thing you don't mention. Your boxer is coming up to 3 and full maturity. Has he been neutered? If not - then it is possible that his behaviour is orientated towards the need of being the pack leader. He may want to dominate other males and also control any females he comes into contact with. The domination theme does seem to point towards that.


    He was neutered at 7 months, just after he'd started humping everything in sight lol. It would have been 6 months but we had to wait for one of his balls to drop. :eek:

    Thinking about it though it does tend to be male dogs he is picking on and he's fine with male dogs whom are under 6 months.
  • yorkiegalyorkiegal Posts: 18,929
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    Great result this morning on the park. I took lots of cheese with me and carried on with the training. Then another dog arrived whom baxter has been jealous of in recent weeks. I gave them both treats and Baxter lunged at Howard and growled at him. I sat baxter down, gave Howard a treat first then made tons of fuss of my dog and rewarded him with treats. After two attempts he got the message and from then on sat patiently whilst I fed Howard first and waited for his reward. Result was two dogs getting on famously and no more issues. I'm so proud of my boy!
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    That's fantastic, not out of the woods yet but carry on like that and you may well cure the problem for good.
  • frisky pythonfrisky python Posts: 9,737
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    That's fab, well done!
  • Deb11Deb11 Posts: 262
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    What about the dogs he doesn't like - mine gets on famousley with females and neutered males (he's neutered) but cannot abide full males and will have a go at them.

    He knows when a dog is full as he stands there and sniffs the air.

    However I also know that some boxers do play by pinning down others - if my pooch was piined down by a boxer in the past he fought until he could get up and had a go back.
  • abigail1234abigail1234 Posts: 1,292
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    yorkiegal wrote: »
    Great result this morning on the park. I took lots of cheese with me and carried on with the training. Then another dog arrived whom baxter has been jealous of in recent weeks. I gave them both treats and Baxter lunged at Howard and growled at him. I sat baxter down, gave Howard a treat first then made tons of fuss of my dog and rewarded him with treats. After two attempts he got the message and from then on sat patiently whilst I fed Howard first and waited for his reward. Result was two dogs getting on famously and no more issues. I'm so proud of my boy!

    Well done! It's really hard to deal with entrenched behaviour but you've made a great start
  • yorkiegalyorkiegal Posts: 18,929
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    Deb11 wrote: »
    What about the dogs he doesn't like - mine gets on famousley with females and neutered males (he's neutered) but cannot abide full males and will have a go at them.

    He knows when a dog is full as he stands there and sniffs the air.

    However I also know that some boxers do play by pinning down others - if my pooch was piined down by a boxer in the past he fought until he could get up and had a go back.

    If it's a dominant dog he won't go near it. There's one which used to nip him when he was a pup and he still stays clear. If the dog is a full male but more submissive, he'll sit on it.
    He did pin one down on this afternoon's walk, a little staff who can handle himself and told baxter off straight away. But that was my fault as I sat down on the bench and all the dogs ran up to me, and I know that when I sit down Baxter becomes ultra protective. But I gave him a time out for a minute by attaching his leash to the bench and ignoring him. Then went over to the staff, gave it lots of fuss and a treat then went back to Bax and did the same a few times and it worked just like it had earlier this morning with the other dog.

    Looks like I'll just have to keep doing the same and eventually he will hopefully cotton on to the fact that I want him to behave with all dogs.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    When habits are entrenched you do have to keep at it quite a while but you are heading in the right direction I believe. Well done.
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