Most seem to be based on an electric motor driving a kind of piston back and forth. I'll leave it up to your imagination what goes on the end of the piston
On the flip side - can you imagine an advert where a group of men throw a can of pop to a woman who is simply trying to do her job - opening said can of pop causes the woman's top to get soaked through - and the group then letch and giggle at her while she removes it.
That's the basis for the current diet coke ad (sexes reversed obviously).
I loathe that advert! Objectification absolutely goes both ways!
I loathe that advert! Objectification absolutely goes both ways!
I have no issue with that type of advert (as long as it works both ways and we get to see some nice female bods on TV too).
The ones I hate are the ones making men out to be lazy and incompetent (like the boots ads) - there doesn't seem to be any female based analogy of those and they dont show the stereotype for what it is (i.e. bollocks). I think the adverts would be much more effective if they took the piss out of the stereotype.
Why would it bother you? Just like the ladies the toilets have seperate cubicles with locks on the door, so you get your individual privacy.
The urinals are against the wall so any man using them would have his back to you.
The only thing you would share would be the wash basins and hand dryers.
I've never really understood the need for seperate toilets for different sexes tbh?
But as a man would it not bother you if women starting hogging the bathrooms to do their make-up? I'm a woman and it annoys me. I'm jealous of how quick men do their business. There always seems to be a queue at the ladies.
I have no issue with that type of advert (as long as it works both ways and we get to see some nice female bods on TV too).
The ones I hate are the ones making men out to be lazy and incompetent (like the boots ads) - there doesn't seem to be any female based analogy of those and they dont show the stereotype for what it is (i.e. bollocks). I think the adverts would be much more effective if they took the piss out of the stereotype.
I know the recent Christmas ASDA one caused a stir because it was the mother who ran around all day doing all the work, preparations and at the end of it has to sit on a stool. The dad was just seen sitting watching TV. I can see how on both sides people would find this sexist. Not all dads are lazy, not all mums are expected to do everything etc etc.
But as a man would it not bother you if women starting hogging the bathrooms to do their make-up? I'm a woman and it annoys me. I'm jealous of how quick men do their business. There always seems to be a queue at the ladies.
I always thought the longer queues at the ladies was due to the fact that there are less toilets (urinals take up less space) and that it takes longer for women to do a pee because they have to lock the door, sit down etc.
Is it actually that the queue is for the wash basins because women are in there doing their make up? Why don't they just carry a hand mirror and do it outside?
If an advert showed a man simulating "cunning linguistics" on say a cream cake, I'd imagine that the general perception would be that the man was a sad, disgusting pervert.
:eek:
I don't think that would work either - but neither would a woman delivering a box of Milk Tray to a man by having to fight off sharks - it might work in America, but not here, I think.
I always thought the longer queues at the ladies was due to the fact that there are less toilets (urinals take up less space) and that it takes longer for women to do a pee because they have to lock the door, sit down etc.
Is it actually that the queue is for the wash basins because women are in there doing their make up? Why don't they just carry a hand mirror and do it outside?
Yeah, probably it is due to there being less cubicles. The area around the basins can get quite congested though with the need to have a big mirror to work on their appearance. I'd rather hold on till I got home than have to push my way in the women's bathroom after a show at a theatre! Sardines in a tin comes to mind
I know the recent Christmas ASDA one caused a stir because it was the mother who ran around all day doing all the work, preparations and at the end of it has to sit on a stool. The dad was just seen sitting watching TV. I can see how on both sides people would find this sexist. Not all dads are lazy, not all mums are expected to do everything etc etc.
I'd say that was yet another advert that was clearly sexist against men portraying them as lazy and useless while the woman is the one who organizes everything and does all the work.
This is a common theme in a number of modern adverts, but I can't think of a single advert that portrays women as stupid, lazy and inept in comparison to an intelligent, capable man?
I'd say that was yet another advert that was clearly sexist against men portraying them as lazy and useless while the woman is the one who organizes everything and does all the work.
This is a common theme in a number of modern adverts, but I can't think of a single advert that portrays women as stupid, lazy and inept in comparison to an intelligent, capable man?
Well, exactly that was my point. It was sexist in both regards.
Well you need to let it cool down first. Ideally to a temperature of about 37 degrees celcius.
Of course if you're starting with a cold apple pie you could stick it in the microwave for a bit but make sure you let it stand for a minute before use otherwise it could carry on heating up inside and cause some serious tissue damage...
Well you need to let it cool down first. Ideally to a temperature of about 37 degrees celcius.
Of course if you're starting with a cold apple pie you could stick it in the microwave for a bit but make sure you let it stand for a minute before use otherwise it could carry on heating up inside and cause some serious tissue damage...
A great deal of sexism (not all) is created by people who are trying to enforce standards for their own gender that suit themselves or some other gender role ideals they've been taught to revere.
When you hear of male victims of sexual abuse at the hands of women, it is usually men rubbing their grubby hands and saying "where were the teachers like this in my day?" Empathy flies out the window and all they seem capable of imagining is some porno fantasy. The many men or boys who have actually felt shame or revulsion or intimidation at being abused by a woman aren't permitted to air their views because they'll be jumped on by the macho men who will deem them unmanly and drown out the conversation by saying men can't be victims of anything sexual. Men are supposed to enjoy sex at all times, bizarrely even with women they don't actually want to be with.
The same concept of macho masculinity is the reason why homophobia is more prevalent among men than women. A real man ****s women, he doesn't get ****ed by other men. I think men and women jeer at men who use sex toys in roughly equal proportions, again, because a 'real man' goes out there and gets laid, but also if he relies on a toy, it means he can't and must be made of inferior stuff. The same sexist standards say a woman is supposed to be chaste and shouldn't be giving it up to every guy who wants her, so it's perfectly fine for her to use a toy to relieve her desires.
When people see a scantily dressed woman in public, it is usually other women who are most vitriolic about her. They feel threatened by the sight of other attractive women, because it challenges their own sense of attractiveness. If all the men are staring at the girl with the huge cleavage on display, she's one upped you in the lengths you have to go to in the attraction game. Combined with religion which tells people, but especially women (it's the Virgin Mary not the Virgin Jesus), that their chastity and self-esteem are the same thing, this is a toxic cocktail.
Men have a more contradictory attitude towards it - nearly all men enjoy the spectacle while it's happening but many also grumble about the same kind of women later. These men get horny for the **** but want to marry the 'good girl'. They want plenty of sex but are aware that sex habits rarely change that much. Promiscuous people tend to go on being promiscuous throughout their lives, and these men don't want to live in a world where they could get cheated on.
This sense of jealousy is intense and is probably the reason why the paternalistic religious systems we're most familiar with enforce chastity with a degree rarely seen in pagan faiths with a feminine divine. Funnily, a lot of these paternalistic religions manage to sneak in divine-sanctioned concubinage and polygyny along with the all the god-fearing holiness of chastity. Talk about having your cake and eating it.
The same concept of macho masculinity is the reason why homophobia is more prevalent among men than women. A real man ****s women, he doesn't get ****ed by other men.
Interesting analysis overall.
I won't quote the whole post but I don't quite understood the bit above. I accept that its true that macho men tend to be more homophobic than women, but I've never quite understood why this should be the case.
Logically I would expect macho straight men to be indifferent to gay men because they do not pose any threat in competition for women. I would expect more hate directed to straight lothario types who pose a risk of sleeping with their women.
With stories about older women seducing under-age boys or girls, the language used to describe them isn't anywhere near as harsh as it is in cases where the sexes are reversed. There have been several threads on DS over the years discussing stories of this nature - words like paedo, nonce, scum etc very rarely if ever get used. Such words seem to be reserved for describing male child sex abusers.
The same is true more broadly speaking as well. Society tends to subscribe to gender stereotypes which portray men as aggressive, dominant and predatory in contrast to women who are portrayed as weak, passive and innocent. Our discussions and subsequent judgments of adult-child relationships are constructed from these presuppositions, meaning when a boy has been molested by a woman he is rarely thought of as a victim, or at the very least not the same sort of victim. There is also the prevalence of the "every boy's dream" concept, as though having sexual desires negates any harm adult-child relationships can have (which also ignores the fact that girls also have sexual desires, but nobody would rationalise their sleeping with their adult crush).
As a man, I used to work at big musical events/ sporting events. If you found a lost child you had to stand still, get a member of the public to escort the child to reception with you. Under no circumstances were you to be alone with the child. Is it fair that society assumes I am a danger to a child because of my gender?
This reminds me of a story a friend of mine related a few years ago.
He is a "black cab" driver in London, and he'd taken a job to Gatwick airport.
On his way back he decided to go into IKEA at Croydon and have a look around.
Getting out of his taxi in the car park he heard a child crying, and saw a little girl about 4 or 5 in distress, obviously separated from her parents.
He said that his first thought was to take her to the store and let security take over, then he thought, suppose someone sees me holding her hand and gets the wrong idea.
So his second thought was to seek out a woman and say, "Excuse me, there is a child here that needs help."
Then he thought, the woman could think that he'd been doing wrong just by virtue of being with the kid.
So eventually he left the child where she was and went to the store, saying nothing.
I said at the time, "Do you think that was wise?"
"Be reasonable," he said, "the way things are today, I'm frightened to walk past a school in case I get accused of being a nonce."
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well, you learn something new every day.
I might regret asking this but what are they?
Most seem to be based on an electric motor driving a kind of piston back and forth. I'll leave it up to your imagination what goes on the end of the piston
I loathe that advert! Objectification absolutely goes both ways!
Why would it bother you? Just like the ladies the toilets have seperate cubicles with locks on the door, so you get your individual privacy.
The urinals are against the wall so any man using them would have his back to you.
The only thing you would share would be the wash basins and hand dryers.
I've never really understood the need for seperate toilets for different sexes tbh?
I have no issue with that type of advert (as long as it works both ways and we get to see some nice female bods on TV too).
The ones I hate are the ones making men out to be lazy and incompetent (like the boots ads) - there doesn't seem to be any female based analogy of those and they dont show the stereotype for what it is (i.e. bollocks). I think the adverts would be much more effective if they took the piss out of the stereotype.
But as a man would it not bother you if women starting hogging the bathrooms to do their make-up? I'm a woman and it annoys me. I'm jealous of how quick men do their business. There always seems to be a queue at the ladies.
I know the recent Christmas ASDA one caused a stir because it was the mother who ran around all day doing all the work, preparations and at the end of it has to sit on a stool. The dad was just seen sitting watching TV. I can see how on both sides people would find this sexist. Not all dads are lazy, not all mums are expected to do everything etc etc.
I always thought the longer queues at the ladies was due to the fact that there are less toilets (urinals take up less space) and that it takes longer for women to do a pee because they have to lock the door, sit down etc.
Is it actually that the queue is for the wash basins because women are in there doing their make up? Why don't they just carry a hand mirror and do it outside?
:eek:
I don't think that would work either - but neither would a woman delivering a box of Milk Tray to a man by having to fight off sharks - it might work in America, but not here, I think.
Yeah, probably it is due to there being less cubicles. The area around the basins can get quite congested though with the need to have a big mirror to work on their appearance. I'd rather hold on till I got home than have to push my way in the women's bathroom after a show at a theatre! Sardines in a tin comes to mind
I'd say that was yet another advert that was clearly sexist against men portraying them as lazy and useless while the woman is the one who organizes everything and does all the work.
This is a common theme in a number of modern adverts, but I can't think of a single advert that portrays women as stupid, lazy and inept in comparison to an intelligent, capable man?
Well, exactly that was my point. It was sexist in both regards.
Apple pies ?
To challenge the premise of the thread. It's what we do, on DS!
Fair enough
Those have a serious risk of being burning! :eek:
Especially McDonalds ones - even though they are in a suspiciously convenient shape
I wonder if the inventor of the flesh light was a regular customer of Maccie-D's
Well you need to let it cool down first. Ideally to a temperature of about 37 degrees celcius.
Of course if you're starting with a cold apple pie you could stick it in the microwave for a bit but make sure you let it stand for a minute before use otherwise it could carry on heating up inside and cause some serious tissue damage...
Or so I've heard anyway...:o
No one really uses apple pies, do they?! :eek::o
When you hear of male victims of sexual abuse at the hands of women, it is usually men rubbing their grubby hands and saying "where were the teachers like this in my day?" Empathy flies out the window and all they seem capable of imagining is some porno fantasy. The many men or boys who have actually felt shame or revulsion or intimidation at being abused by a woman aren't permitted to air their views because they'll be jumped on by the macho men who will deem them unmanly and drown out the conversation by saying men can't be victims of anything sexual. Men are supposed to enjoy sex at all times, bizarrely even with women they don't actually want to be with.
The same concept of macho masculinity is the reason why homophobia is more prevalent among men than women. A real man ****s women, he doesn't get ****ed by other men. I think men and women jeer at men who use sex toys in roughly equal proportions, again, because a 'real man' goes out there and gets laid, but also if he relies on a toy, it means he can't and must be made of inferior stuff. The same sexist standards say a woman is supposed to be chaste and shouldn't be giving it up to every guy who wants her, so it's perfectly fine for her to use a toy to relieve her desires.
When people see a scantily dressed woman in public, it is usually other women who are most vitriolic about her. They feel threatened by the sight of other attractive women, because it challenges their own sense of attractiveness. If all the men are staring at the girl with the huge cleavage on display, she's one upped you in the lengths you have to go to in the attraction game. Combined with religion which tells people, but especially women (it's the Virgin Mary not the Virgin Jesus), that their chastity and self-esteem are the same thing, this is a toxic cocktail.
Men have a more contradictory attitude towards it - nearly all men enjoy the spectacle while it's happening but many also grumble about the same kind of women later. These men get horny for the **** but want to marry the 'good girl'. They want plenty of sex but are aware that sex habits rarely change that much. Promiscuous people tend to go on being promiscuous throughout their lives, and these men don't want to live in a world where they could get cheated on.
This sense of jealousy is intense and is probably the reason why the paternalistic religious systems we're most familiar with enforce chastity with a degree rarely seen in pagan faiths with a feminine divine. Funnily, a lot of these paternalistic religions manage to sneak in divine-sanctioned concubinage and polygyny along with the all the god-fearing holiness of chastity. Talk about having your cake and eating it.
Interesting analysis overall.
I won't quote the whole post but I don't quite understood the bit above. I accept that its true that macho men tend to be more homophobic than women, but I've never quite understood why this should be the case.
Logically I would expect macho straight men to be indifferent to gay men because they do not pose any threat in competition for women. I would expect more hate directed to straight lothario types who pose a risk of sleeping with their women.
But this doesn't seem to be the case. Why?
The same is true more broadly speaking as well. Society tends to subscribe to gender stereotypes which portray men as aggressive, dominant and predatory in contrast to women who are portrayed as weak, passive and innocent. Our discussions and subsequent judgments of adult-child relationships are constructed from these presuppositions, meaning when a boy has been molested by a woman he is rarely thought of as a victim, or at the very least not the same sort of victim. There is also the prevalence of the "every boy's dream" concept, as though having sexual desires negates any harm adult-child relationships can have (which also ignores the fact that girls also have sexual desires, but nobody would rationalise their sleeping with their adult crush).
This reminds me of a story a friend of mine related a few years ago.
He is a "black cab" driver in London, and he'd taken a job to Gatwick airport.
On his way back he decided to go into IKEA at Croydon and have a look around.
Getting out of his taxi in the car park he heard a child crying, and saw a little girl about 4 or 5 in distress, obviously separated from her parents.
He said that his first thought was to take her to the store and let security take over, then he thought, suppose someone sees me holding her hand and gets the wrong idea.
So his second thought was to seek out a woman and say, "Excuse me, there is a child here that needs help."
Then he thought, the woman could think that he'd been doing wrong just by virtue of being with the kid.
So eventually he left the child where she was and went to the store, saying nothing.
I said at the time, "Do you think that was wise?"
"Be reasonable," he said, "the way things are today, I'm frightened to walk past a school in case I get accused of being a nonce."