Recording from Sky HD using game capturing device
barracuda91
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I'm not sure what section to put this thread under but here it goes.
Okay, so I got the Elgato Game Capture HD and a HDMI splitter (this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) so that I could record HD shows and movies from my Sky box to my computer.
I set it up and tested it on my PS3 which also has HDCP and it bypassed it and I was able to record in HD. However, when I do the same for the Sky box, it comes up with the "This display does not support HDCP".
I have it set up from the HDMI cable from the Sky box goes into the input of the splitter, then a HDMI cable runs from the output of the splitter to the input of the Elgato Game Capture, and a final HDMI cable runs from the output of the game capture to the TV. The game capture device is also attached to my laptop via USB to record.
So have I set something up wrong? Or is this a splitter that just doesn't strip the HDCP from the Sky box even though it does it for the PS3?
Okay, so I got the Elgato Game Capture HD and a HDMI splitter (this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006KZBC92/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) so that I could record HD shows and movies from my Sky box to my computer.
I set it up and tested it on my PS3 which also has HDCP and it bypassed it and I was able to record in HD. However, when I do the same for the Sky box, it comes up with the "This display does not support HDCP".
I have it set up from the HDMI cable from the Sky box goes into the input of the splitter, then a HDMI cable runs from the output of the splitter to the input of the Elgato Game Capture, and a final HDMI cable runs from the output of the game capture to the TV. The game capture device is also attached to my laptop via USB to record.
So have I set something up wrong? Or is this a splitter that just doesn't strip the HDCP from the Sky box even though it does it for the PS3?
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Gaming output from the games console does not normally have HDCP as it's not subject to broadcast/optical disc DRM restrictions, so there's nothing to strip. If you try recording the output of a PS3 while playing a commercial blu-ray then the situation should be the same as the Sky Box. To record in HD from a Sky box hdmi out you have to convert to analogue component output. The converter itself provided the HDCP handshake required from the Sky box output.
See
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2012/07/elgato-game-capture-hd-review.html
If so try connecting the Elgato to the other splitter output leaving the TV connected to the splitter as well. See what happens then.
I still get the same message "This display does not support HDCP". I suppose that must mean that the splitter doesn't actually strip the HDCP encryption then.
If it did selling it in the UK/EU would be illegal.
I assume the TV you are using works fine when connected directly to the Sky box via HDMI?
Just that some of the reviews on the Amazon link you provided for the splitter seem to say it will work with a Sky box to split to two TVs. Which would imply the HDCP handshaking works under some situations. So might be worth power cycling everything just to be sure.
But I suspect that if you try to connect the Elgato box up the HDCP handshaking will fail to that and the HDCP error message will return.
The OP wants to record Sky HD content to his computer using the Elgato box as he does for gaming content. Not display the sky box output on a TV.
By powering off, do you mean having the Sky box on standby or switching it off at the mains? At the moment I have only had it turned on from standby.
The only other thing to try is turn off Sky box, splitter and TV at the mains. Leave it a couple of minutes then power back up in the order TV, splitter then Sky box. If that fails to get any picture on the telly then you have to conclude the Sky box really does not want to play with the splitter.
I am fully aware of that. The purpose of taking the Elgato box out of the chain was to ascertain whether the splitter would work at all with the Sky box. After all if it won't even work feeding a TV it is unlikely to ever work feeding anything else.
I have an equivalent set-up of Virgin Media V+, different make/model splitter, and Hauppauge HD PVR2, and it all works. Although there was one occasion where it seemed to fail. It was just a matter of powering everything down(for a few mins) and making them "forget" what they had been attached to. No problems since.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HDMI-To-RGB-Component-YPbPr-Audio-Video-Converter-1080i-/251436532310?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item3a8ac90256
which will be ok for sky as that is 1080i. You could opt to pay more for a 1080p if required.
You will need the component adapter lead not the ps3 lead to use with the sky box. I presume the elgato came with it, or it's an optional extra:
http://www.elgato.com/en/online-store - scroll down to component adapter
I found out about it because people were complaining about X Box One and game capture HDMI passthrough. This splitter was mentioned as a solution.
I do have the two-pin US plug, just to answer your other post, but I have to say that I could kiss you right now because your suggestion worked! I turned off everything at the plug and that seemed to reset the signal and now it picks up the Sky HD box. I'm currently recording The Ghost and Mrs. Muir off my planner so will see how that goes when it's done.
Can't thank you and everyone else enough for all your help, very much appreciate it!
They don't need to. Most HD games consoles do not force HDCP protection on gaming output it's entirely legal to record the content. What is illegal is defeating the hdcp protection to produce perfect copies of drm protected content, in this case Sky broadcast content.
It's legal to record HD broadcast content that is transmitted without encryption. For example both Freeview and sateliite FTA HD content can be recorded using something like a HTPC with a suitable card which are freely available in the UK. Sky premium content requiring a smart card is encrypted before transmission.
Genuine Freesat+ and Freeview+ pvrs encrypt the unencrypted stream on copying to a hard disk. This is part of the Freesat/Freeview specification. It doesn't apply to generic fta kit.
If there is no HDCP at the source then presumably the copyright holders of the material are OK with you recording it.
What would be against the rules is to use some device that removes the HDCP protection. After all if it was legitimate to remove HDCP protection in order to record the video stream what would be the point of having HDCP in the first place?
It's a two way data interchange that involves a High Definition source interrogating a destination device as to what it's capabilities are. Unless the kit identifies itself to the source that it's a display device and not a recorder the sending end kit withholds the video producing the blue/green screen on the destination. The same as if the HDCP handshake failed in some way.
I suspect the "strippers" are meant to act like Repeaters as defined in the HDCP specs
http://www.digital-cp.com/files/documents/04A897FD-FEF1-0EEE-CDBB649127F79525/HDCP_deciphered_070808.pdf
But instead of re-encrypting the data it passes it on "in the clear" as it were. So the source device sees the splitter as a legitimate destination device and sends it encrypted data. The splitter then decrypts the data and spits the decrypted version out of it's outputs