If a job can easily be done by practically anyone, the pay will reflect how easy it is to attract / retain staff.
If you need someone with a very rare and specific set of skills, you have to pay what they want.
Domiciliary care cannot easily be done by anyone as it's incredibly difficult, demanding, challenging, draining, etc, and requires a very rare personality to do well for any significant length of time. However, for political and economic reasons employers merely want the job done, rather than done well, so they pay minimum wage and open the job up to anyone. As a result staff turnover is incredibly high (for many private providers it is 100%+ over a couple of years) and standards are incredibly low. Occasionally a scandalous death or case of abuse will shake the system up for a couple of months, but nothing more significant (or costly) than that.
Police start on 19k a year now, which imo is very low for around the clock working, many security officers earn far more, for dealing with less. After around 6yrs it jumps up a fair bit though.
I read somewhere that policeman get free prescriptions, I think they used to but cannot find any recent info to say they still do
Anyone on the low end of catering. Horrible hours. Split shifts , work holidays like Christmas Easter etc, terrible pay dependent on tips. Generally rude ignorant customers.
I think that depends where you work. In my place of work the admins are usually paid the same if not more (sometimes up to two bands higher) than the lower level nursing staff.
I think that depends where you work. In my place of work the admins are usually paid the same if not more (sometimes up to two bands higher) than the lower level nursing staff.
I work at a uni and admin pays pretty well. I just had a look, but there are no jobs here, but I had a look at a nearby Uni and for a Travel and Expenses Services Administrator job, the pay is even better at £22029 to £26274 per annum.
I would say the individuals cleaning blood and brain matter of the walls of murder scenes would probably qualify as a profession
Unless your happy to do the nitty gritty yourself
It doesn't matter if you are cleaning chip wrappers off the street or brains from a murder scene. It's wiping and using a mop and bucket. Anyone can do it, and most people do in their own homes. I'm not saying it isn't a valuable profession, cleaners are much needed, but let's not pretend it's anything other than it is - cleaning things.
Any job or one which requires a significant period of training (2+ years)?
I am not sure "cleaning" is a profession ....
This is what I would class as a profession, so for the most part, jobs requiring university training-doctors, vets, teachers, nurses, dentists etc.
Care workers are paid disgracefully low wages. They have tremendous responsibility to look after the infirm. Home carers are keeping the NHS going! Without them the NHS would go into meltdown. I don't know how these carers cope.
I saw a job advertised in a small museum. It sounded interesting and was part time and then I got down to the wage and it was only about £8 an hour and THEN it said they would like you to have a degree in archaeology. I couldn't believe it!
I saw a job advertised in a small museum. It sounded interesting and was part time and then I got down to the wage and it was only about £8 an hour and THEN it said they would like you to have a degree in archaeology. I couldn't believe it!
Wow! A whole £8 AN HOUR?!?
I'll glady get into all that student debt of over £20,000 for such a job!
For the hours I work (12 hours a day, approx 20-25 days per month on average, taking into account holidays) I get paid between £4.60 to £5 an hour. A lot of older teachers are on very comfortable salaries but younger teachers are paid clearly below the average salary in the UK for little to no free time at all during term time.
However, I do think there are others who are much more underpaid than us. Military, nurses and carers come to mind first.
You have never been paid less than the minimum wage, it's illegal.
I was in the RN and if you equated my wages and the hours I could work it would be a pittance. If you're on a ship at sea you can't spend the money anyway.
ETA - More seriously, soldiers and Royal Marines? Get shot at and possibly killed, all for the princely salary of circa. £20,000, less tax (and deductions for accommodation, food and whatever else). What's not to love?
Why are people saying teachers? I have several teacher friends who all say they are happy with their salary - plus all the time off they get! If I had the patience I'd happily be a teacher! As if it's the most underpaid profession.
People who put their lives at risk are, in my opinion, the most underpaid. Military workers etc. And I guess some nurses too, they often do all the dirty work for little pay.
No idea.
My mate used to roll out of bed when everyone else had long been at work, leave the house at 8.40am, have a one hour lunch break, and be back home by 4pm latest. Earned well above national average income. 14 weeks paid holiday every year and retired at 52 on final salary pension.
His 'moan' when he was still working as a teacher?
Any other worker can take time off whenever they want but a teacher has to wait for the holidays to come round!
My mate used to roll out of bed when everyone else had long been at work, leave the house at 8.40am, have a one hour lunch break, and be back home by 4pm latest. Earned well above national average income. 14 weeks paid holiday every year and retired at 52 on final salary pension.
His 'moan' when he was still working as a teacher?
Any other worker can take time off whenever they want but a teacher has to wait for the holidays to come round!
Wow......just wow!! >:(
When was this... The 1960s?
There is no way what you describe above can be true today.
Carers without a doubt. Providing essential personal and medical care to the most vulnerable in society for minimum wage under awful conditions.
Yes, carers would be my choice as well. My father in laws carers have to do the most personal things for him, without them he just couldnt manage and all they get is the minimum wage.
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Domiciliary care cannot easily be done by anyone as it's incredibly difficult, demanding, challenging, draining, etc, and requires a very rare personality to do well for any significant length of time. However, for political and economic reasons employers merely want the job done, rather than done well, so they pay minimum wage and open the job up to anyone. As a result staff turnover is incredibly high (for many private providers it is 100%+ over a couple of years) and standards are incredibly low. Occasionally a scandalous death or case of abuse will shake the system up for a couple of months, but nothing more significant (or costly) than that.
I wish that were true!
Not really a "profession". Though salaries do start at £26K around here.
Actually paramedics were one of my first thoughts too
I read somewhere that policeman get free prescriptions, I think they used to but cannot find any recent info to say they still do
Where I work admin assistants earn 19-24.5k per year, I though that was pretty decent.
I dont think thats the case tbh, anyway even if it was its not really that much of a bonus.
I think that depends where you work. In my place of work the admins are usually paid the same if not more (sometimes up to two bands higher) than the lower level nursing staff.
Unless your happy to do the nitty gritty yourself
I work at a uni and admin pays pretty well. I just had a look, but there are no jobs here, but I had a look at a nearby Uni and for a Travel and Expenses Services Administrator job, the pay is even better at £22029 to £26274 per annum.
It doesn't matter if you are cleaning chip wrappers off the street or brains from a murder scene. It's wiping and using a mop and bucket. Anyone can do it, and most people do in their own homes. I'm not saying it isn't a valuable profession, cleaners are much needed, but let's not pretend it's anything other than it is - cleaning things.
Course they can count as careers, for instance, our Head of Facilities, Facilities Site Managers and supervisors all started as cleaners (NHS)
This is what I would class as a profession, so for the most part, jobs requiring university training-doctors, vets, teachers, nurses, dentists etc.
Care workers are paid disgracefully low wages. They have tremendous responsibility to look after the infirm. Home carers are keeping the NHS going! Without them the NHS would go into meltdown. I don't know how these carers cope.
Nurses
Firefighters
Care workers
Teaching Assistants
Shop/catering staff
Cleaners
Wow! A whole £8 AN HOUR?!?
I'll glady get into all that student debt of over £20,000 for such a job!
This depends. Staff nurses earn between 21-28K depending on experience.
You have never been paid less than the minimum wage, it's illegal.
I was in the RN and if you equated my wages and the hours I could work it would be a pittance. If you're on a ship at sea you can't spend the money anyway.
Surprising too how quickly some will climb through the ranks once promoted.
My mate used to roll out of bed when everyone else had long been at work, leave the house at 8.40am, have a one hour lunch break, and be back home by 4pm latest. Earned well above national average income. 14 weeks paid holiday every year and retired at 52 on final salary pension.
His 'moan' when he was still working as a teacher?
Any other worker can take time off whenever they want but a teacher has to wait for the holidays to come round!
Wow......just wow!! >:(
When was this... The 1960s?
There is no way what you describe above can be true today.
Yes, carers would be my choice as well. My father in laws carers have to do the most personal things for him, without them he just couldnt manage and all they get is the minimum wage.