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UKIP/Nigel Farage Think They can Attract Labour Voters With Conservative Policies?...

StykerStyker Posts: 49,891
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Who is Nigel Farage trying to kid? He is an uber conservative with uber conserrvative economic views and policies but he thinks that he and UKIP are much more suited to Labour voters than Tory voters?!

Isn't is the case that Farage would rather have a Tory Government than a Labour Government so he is hoping to con Labour voters into voting for UKIP, hoping that Labour lose marginal seats because of defects to UKIP and that way, the Tories remain the biggest party?

His ultimate hope is that there will be a referendum on the EU and if it does come about and people vote to leave then he will do what he says he will do and will quit politics. That way he won't ever have to live up to delivering for Labour voters on domestic economic matters will he?

Do Labour voters really think that leave the worlds biggest and richest economic block will make them better off?
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    radio4extracrapradio4extracrap Posts: 2,933
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    Seems to be effective by the polls. Have you seen them?
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    delegate zerodelegate zero Posts: 2,632
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    BNP, Labour, Conservative, UKIP are all on the authoritarian right quadrant of the political compass. There's not that much between them.
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    InspirationInspiration Posts: 62,706
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    Styker wrote: »
    Who is Nigel Farage trying to kid? He is an uber conservative with uber conserrvative economic views and policies but he thinks that he and UKIP are much more suited to Labour voters than Tory voters?!

    Labour voters can feel disillusioned with the system and feel strongly about Europe too. It's not just limited to Tories.
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    StykerStyker Posts: 49,891
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    Seems to be effective by the polls. Have you seen them?
    Labour voters can feel disillusioned with the system and feel strongly about Europe too. It's not just limited to Tories.


    No I haven't seen UKIP's latest polling but what happens when Labour voters who voted UKIP realise that their economic policies are "not for them"?
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    delegate zerodelegate zero Posts: 2,632
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    Styker wrote: »
    No I haven't seen UKIP's latest polling but what happens when Labour voters who voted UKIP realise that their economic policies are "not for them"?

    its Labours working class seats they are aiming for, lowering income tax wil appeal.
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    nathanbrazilnathanbrazil Posts: 8,863
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    Styker wrote: »
    Who is Nigel Farage trying to kid?

    Nobody. He's trying and succeeding massively, in engaging the British people with the political process. Everyone who cannot abide Cameron, Clegg or Milliband is listening to Farrage, because he's saying what they are thinking. Whether he can or will ever translate that into direct action, remains to be seen.
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    Nobody. He's trying and succeeding massively, in engaging the British people with the political process. Everyone who cannot abide Cameron, Clegg or Milliband is listening to Farrage, because he's saying what they are thinking. Whether he can or will ever translate that into direct action, remains to be seen.

    I doubt it to be honest. Ultimately Farage is no different to any of the other party leaders. He's had his snout in the trough of politics for a long long time and is as much a part of the 'establishment' as any of them.
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    StykerStyker Posts: 49,891
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    Nobody. He's trying and succeeding massively, in engaging the British people with the political process. Everyone who cannot abide Cameron, Clegg or Milliband is listening to Farrage, because he's saying what they are thinking. Whether he can or will ever translate that into direct action, remains to be seen.

    Anyone tell me what UKIP's policies are on a living wage? Do they think there should be one? What rate do they think the minimum wage should be? What are their policies on the NHS, on tax credits, JSA? Are they in favour of zero hour contracts? Would they build council houses etc etc?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,720
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    I doubt it to be honest. Ultimately Farage is no different to any of the other party leaders. He's had his snout in the trough of politics for a long long time and is as much a part of the 'establishment' as any of them.

    What makes Farage different is that he's organic.

    The rest of them are manufactured.
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    jassijassi Posts: 7,895
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    Styker wrote: »
    Anyone tell me what UKIP's policies are on a living wage? Do they think there should be one? What rate do they think the minimum wage should be? What are their policies on the NHS, on tax credits, JSA? Are they in favour of zero hour contracts? Would they build council houses etc etc?

    Now then don't be asking awkward questions.
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    plateletplatelet Posts: 26,387
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    The biggest block of UKIP support falls in the Working class/other/never worked bucket, so whilst politically they may be closer to the Tories, their hunting ground for voters is clearly closer to Labour's.

    Based on a sample of around 124,000 British voters between April 2004 and April 2013 who stated support for a political party the "class" split was as follows:

    Con
    Professional/managerial middle class 44%
    Routine non-manual 28%
    Working class/other/never worked 28%

    Lab
    Professional/managerial middle class 36%
    Routine non-manual 29%
    Working class/other/never worked 35%

    UKIP
    Professional/managerial middle class 30%
    Routine non-manual 27%
    Working class/other/never worked 42%

    www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn05125.pdf
    Original Source: (Ford & Goodwin; Revolt on the Right) British Elections Study Continuous Monitoring Survey 2004-2013)
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    Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,230
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    Meilie wrote: »
    What makes Farage different is that he's organic.

    The rest of them are manufactured.
    He is about as organic as a Tesco Value ready main meal.
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    James2001James2001 Posts: 73,678
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    Because the sort of people they are attracting are the ignorant who are taken in by the soundbites (somehow thinking it's "talking sense") and the idea that he's somehow "different", rather than actually properly looking at what they stand for.
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Labour are trying to attract voters with Tory policies aren't they.

    They are committed to exactly the same spending plans as the Tories for at least the first two years of the next parliament.

    So OP - bar the mansion tax which apparently people will have to volunteer themselves to pay:o is there much difference?
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    There are social and economic policies. Labour may still have left of centre economic policies, but many working class voters can be quite right wing when it comes to things such as immigration, foreign criminals and terrorists misusing human rights, EU interference, Scottish MP's voting on English laws etc.

    There is also a growing distaste for the London elite of professional politicians. People think they are all the same and just in it for themselves. No one expects UKIP to form the next government, but they can put pressure on the Lib/Lab/Con elite to listen to the people. They are a protest vote for many.
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    Styker wrote: »
    Who is Nigel Farage trying to kid? He is an uber conservative with uber conserrvative economic views and policies but he thinks that he and UKIP are much more suited to Labour voters than Tory voters?!

    Isn't is the case that Farage would rather have a Tory Government than a Labour Government so he is hoping to con Labour voters into voting for UKIP, hoping that Labour lose marginal seats because of defects to UKIP and that way, the Tories remain the biggest party?

    His ultimate hope is that there will be a referendum on the EU and if it does come about and people vote to leave then he will do what he says he will do and will quit politics. That way he won't ever have to live up to delivering for Labour voters on domestic economic matters will he?

    Do Labour voters really think that leave the worlds biggest and richest economic block will make them better off?

    Many do, as do more than a few Labour MPs.
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    yesman2012yesman2012 Posts: 2,104
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    Actually, a lot of 'Labour' supporters, particularly from the working class, are very conservative in their views on things like immigration and on the EU. Those issues may be a lot less important than the economy and the NHS, but there are people who get really wound up about them. Remember that woman Gordon Brown called a 'bigot'? She's typical of a lot of Labour voters who would be very tempted by UKIP's 'no-nonsense' stance on immigration.

    And there's also the issue that over the years, the Labour leadership have transformed themselves into a party that now barely resembles what it was originally. People look at the front bench and they see the same sort of politicians as the Tories - private educated, Oxbridge - who more or less have the same politics. Rightly or wrongly, the Blair government did a huge amount in getting private businesses involved in the NHS and other public services through schemes like PFI. The Labour party from what we've seen in recent years, are very much a Conservative-lite party, or least thats the perception.
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    duncannduncann Posts: 11,969
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    Labour are the party of white collar public sector workers, the active membership of unions (but not most people in a union), non whites, Islam and immigrants - 87% of whom are deemed to vote Labour.

    Labour are not the party of the old white working class - much of which used to vote Tory - 33% of working class people voted for Thatcher. These voters returned to Blair in the 1990s but are disconnected now from Labour or Tories. Cue ukip going after their vote. They have suffered from immigration which from their point of view has massively driven down wages and upped rents and house prices, and they are anti EU. The 2 biggest motivators to vote UKIP are immigration and the EU.
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    I, CandyI, Candy Posts: 3,710
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    I don't see why it's that fanciful to be honest.

    Labour has always been the party for the metropolitan intellectual, interested in equal rights and progressive social policies. However it has also been the party for the lower paid worker simply looking for politicians to protect them from being exploited by big business, to help improve their standard of living. These kind of people currently feel threatened by things like immigration and EU membership, policies supported by the main parties, so it's really no surprise at all that UKIP should be attractive to them.
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    RaferRafer Posts: 14,231
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Labour are trying to attract voters with Tory policies aren't they.

    They are committed to exactly the same spending plans as the Tories for at least the first two years of the next parliament.

    So OP - bar the mansion tax which apparently people will have to volunteer themselves to pay:o is there much difference?

    Isn't that the reason why UKIP are pulling in voters? Labour are the left wing of the conservative party and the conservatives are the right wing of the labour party. They only appeal to one section of the electorate. That's not so bad when the rest don't vote. But now UKIP are here appealing to the dissatisfied voter. Those voters for whom neither party represents any more.
    They appeal to the low paid manual worker from the industrial city who twenty years ago would have voted labour religiously. While at the same time they appeal to the middle Englander from the leafy shire who is proud of Britain and her institutions and twenty years ago would never dream of voting other than Conservative. Both of whom labour and the conservatives took for granted and left behind in the dash for the centre ground.
    Both groups are waking up to the fact that they are not represented and the best solution is UKIP who can represent the best of both the conservative party of old and the Labour party of old.
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    duncann wrote: »
    Labour are the party of white collar public sector workers, the active membership of unions (but not most people in a union), non whites, Islam and immigrants - 87% of whom are deemed to vote Labour.

    Labour are not the party of the old white working class - much of which used to vote Tory - 33% of working class people voted for Thatcher. These voters returned to Blair in the 1990s but are disconnected now from Labour or Tories. Cue ukip going after their vote. They have suffered from immigration which from their point of view has massively driven down wages and upped rents and house prices, and they are anti EU. The 2 biggest motivators to vote UKIP are immigration and the EU.

    Apparently they are slowly losing the ethnic minority vote as well. I read that it was less than in the past. It may be due to minorities spreading out and abandoning the traditional communities. When they do they tend to become more individual in their voting.
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    Meilie wrote: »
    What makes Farage different is that he's organic.

    The rest of them are manufactured.

    Doesn't make an iota of difference. Just like all the others, he's after power for his own ends.
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    trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    Styker wrote: »
    Who is Nigel Farage trying to kid? He is an uber conservative with uber conserrvative economic views and policies but he thinks that he and UKIP are much more suited to Labour voters than Tory voters?!

    Isn't is the case that Farage would rather have a Tory Government than a Labour Government so he is hoping to con Labour voters into voting for UKIP, hoping that Labour lose marginal seats because of defects to UKIP and that way, the Tories remain the biggest party?

    His ultimate hope is that there will be a referendum on the EU and if it does come about and people vote to leave then he will do what he says he will do and will quit politics. That way he won't ever have to live up to delivering for Labour voters on domestic economic matters will he?

    Do Labour voters really think that leave the worlds biggest and richest economic block will make them better off?

    Not all labour voters were/are spotty students and belligerent unionised public sector workers.
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    BanglaRoadBanglaRoad Posts: 57,596
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    Seems to be effective by the polls. Have you seen them?
    Saw UKIP hitting nearly 3% in a poll of Scottish voters
    They have some brass neck calling themselves UKIP
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Styker wrote: »
    Who is Nigel Farage trying to kid? He is an uber conservative with uber conserrvative economic views and policies but he thinks that he and UKIP are much more suited to Labour voters than Tory voters?!

    Isn't is the case that Farage would rather have a Tory Government than a Labour Government so he is hoping to con Labour voters into voting for UKIP, hoping that Labour lose marginal seats because of defects to UKIP and that way, the Tories remain the biggest party?

    Yep, clocked that one a long time ago.
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