[Paace]

Originally Posted by steven1977

15 and 16 year old tend to be stuck up off which you could tell in the documentary.

How old are you Steven?

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by Paace

How old are you Steven?

What has that got to do with it. Alot of girls are stuck up at that age. Why cant she leave gorgeous Gemma alone. Shes serving her time because of that horrible girl.

[StressMonkey]

Originally Posted by steven1977

What has that got to do with it. Alot of girls are stuck up at that age. Why cant she leave gorgeous Gemma alone. Shes serving her time because of that horrible girl.

She is serving time because she broke her own jaw and fraudulently claimed compensation - she has pleaded guilty to this.

She also admitted deceiving Jess and 'Alice' by pretending to be 'Aaron', 'Cona' and 'Luke'. She pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual assault - it has been claimed on this thread that it was 'just' kissing but we don't know for sure as no-one on this thread has read the actual court transcript but it certainly pertains to Gemma gaining sexual contact through deception, even if that contact was just a kiss.

She is serving time because she has admitted to breaking the law. Whether she is serving an appropriate sentence or if it is unduly harsh it is impossible to have an opinion on as we don't know what the sexual assaults she pleaded guilty to consisted of.

[Retconaddict]

Originally Posted by StressMonkey

She is serving time because she broke her own jaw and fraudulently claimed compensation - she has pleaded guilty to this.

She also admitted deceiving Jess and 'Alice' by pretending to be 'Aaron', 'Cona' and 'Luke'. She pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual assault - it has been claimed on this thread that it was 'just' kissing but we don't know for sure as no-one on this thread has read the actual court transcript but it certainly pertains to Gemma gaining sexual contact through deception, even if that contact was just a kiss.

She is serving time because she has admitted to breaking the law. Whether she is serving an appropriate sentence or if it is unduly harsh it is impossible to have an opinion on as we don't know what the sexual assaults she pleaded guilty to consisted of.

Actually if you'll look at the Facebook Group I posted (Send the Sick Twisted Bitch etc.) Jess admits that the only sexual assault Gemma was charged with was kissing two girls without consent. That's not just a rumour, it's a fact.

And I don't know if I should be allowed to say this (seriously someone tell me if this is breaking the law and I'll take it down) but Gemma's grandmother is a reader of that Facebook group, saw Jess' admission of what exactly the two charges of sexual assault were (none of the family have even seen the documentary) and has now told Gemma's mum, who is planning on suing Jess for treating her accusations as fact when they were never proven in court.

[StressMonkey]

Originally Posted by Retconaddict

Actually if you'll look at the Facebook Group I posted (Send the Sick Twisted Bitch etc.) Jess admits that the only sexual assault Gemma was charged with was kissing two girls without consent. That's not just a rumour, it's a fact.

And I don't know if I should be allowed to say this (seriously someone tell me if this is breaking the law and I'll take it down) but Gemma's grandmother is a reader of that Facebook group, saw Jess' admission of what exactly the two charges of sexual assault were (none of the family have even seen the documentary) and has now told Gemma's mum, who is planning on suing Jess for treating her accusations as fact when they were never proven in court.

I did look at the link, but I hope you'll understand if I am a little cynical about anything I read on the internet. While I admit the evidence you present seems to support the 'just kissing' claim, I would be happier accepting it if I'd read it in court papers.

I am however surprised that Gemma's mother and grandmother weren't aware of the exact details of the guilty plea, relying instead on a facebook page.

[Retconaddict]

Originally Posted by StressMonkey

I did look at the link, but I hope you'll understand if I am a little cynical about anything I read on the internet. While I admit the evidence you present seems to support the 'just kissing' claim, I would be happier accepting it if I'd read it in court papers.

I am however surprised that Gemma's mother and grandmother weren't aware of the exact details of the guilty plea, relying instead on a facebook page.

They were of course aware of the guilty plea, but the entire family had decided not to watch or read anything in the media about the case as they knew it would of course be heavily biased. Because of this they were not aware of that Jess was running around spouting unproven claims like facts.

And unfortunately I don't know if you're ever going to be able to read it in official court papers, going by what someone in the thread said previously. Do court papers ever get details fully released or is the court papers online the best we're going to get?

Regardless, it will of course eventually come out now that action is taking place.

[StressMonkey]

Originally Posted by Retconaddict

They were of course aware of the guilty plea, but the entire family had decided not to watch or read anything in the media about the case as they knew it would of course be heavily biased. Because of this they were not aware of that Jess was running around spouting unproven claims like facts.

And unfortunately I don't know if you're ever going to be able to read it in official court papers, going by what someone in the thread said previously. Do court papers ever get details fully released or is the court papers online the best we're going to get?

Regardless, it will of course eventually come out now that action is taking place.

Sorry - misunderstood you regarding Gemma's mum. Get what you are saying now.

[Retconaddict]

Originally Posted by StressMonkey

Sorry - misunderstood you regarding Gemma's mum. Get what you are saying now.

Ah fair enough. Sorry, I wasn't that clear!

[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by Killary45

The basis the conviction was made was on the evidence collected by the police, the witness statements of the victims, the reports from psychologists and probation officers, and the eventual full confession by the guilty person.

I totally agree that the 15 and 16 year old girls who were sexually assaulted by Gemma Barker acted incredibly stupidly. But there has never been any shortage of stupid behaviour.

I'm not disputing Gemma decieved them to engage them in physical acts of affection and sexual engagement. I'm just saying that there is being a victim and perhaps making yourself one through your own lack of practical applied intelligence and common sense. I think most women can tell the different between a vibrator and a male third leg... the noise alone should be the biggest indicator. I've never met a man who could make his little buddy whirr 300 times a minute nor any man who chooses to make that noise while engaging in such acts. I've also yet to bed anyone woman who has invited me into her house for those kind of antics without expecting me to get undressed as well, nor any parent who has not wanted a word with me first to make sure I'm at least half decent before letting me upstairs to begin with. Then again, maybe my standards are slightly higher and their parents and peers slightly more expectant also.

[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Whats wrong with calling her Gorgeous Gemma? You call someone gorgeous who looks attractive. The documentary was a bunch of rubbish. All it did was look at her at a negative light and treat the other girls like victims to feel sorry for.

People can get framed wrongfully for a crime you know. It does happen.

Because it makes you sound like you are being guided by your libido rather than your deductive and evaluative skills or common sense. Calling someone gorgeous once is one thing, using it like a nickname every time you refer to them seems a little obsessive and inappropriate. Also given she is in prison and is apparently a lesbian, it makes me think of the women that send love letters to convicts they have never met and also all signs indicate you are barking up the wrong tree to start with. So it might help if you seemed more objective to give more credence to your views.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by StressMonkey

She is serving time because she broke her own jaw and fraudulently claimed compensation - she has pleaded guilty to this.

She also admitted deceiving Jess and 'Alice' by pretending to be 'Aaron', 'Cona' and 'Luke'. She pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual assault - it has been claimed on this thread that it was 'just' kissing but we don't know for sure as no-one on this thread has read the actual court transcript but it certainly pertains to Gemma gaining sexual contact through deception, even if that contact was just a kiss.

She is serving time because she has admitted to breaking the law. Whether she is serving an appropriate sentence or if it is unduly harsh it is impossible to have an opinion on as we don't know what the sexual assaults she pleaded guilty to consisted of.

That is ridiculous to sentence Gorgeous Gemma just over a kiss. They might as well just lock up all the kids who give a kiss to someone at school they wasent expecting.

This isnt China!

[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by steven1977

That is ridiculous to sentence Gorgeous Gemma just over a kiss. They might as well just lock up all the kids who give a kiss to someone at school they wasent expecting.

This isnt China!

I give up. Still creepy though. Also it's "wasn't" not wasent. Although I think that's a fair indicator I am barking up the wrong tree too.

[StressMonkey]

Originally Posted by OnDatKryptonite

I'm not disputing Gemma decieved them to engage them in physical acts of affection and sexual engagement. I'm just saying that there is being a victim and perhaps making yourself one through your own lack of practical applied intelligence and common sense. I think most women can tell the different between a vibrator and a male third leg... the noise alone should be the biggest indicator. I've never met a man who could make his little buddy whirr 300 times a minute nor any man who chooses to make that noise while engaging in such acts. I've also yet to bed anyone woman who has invited me into her house for those kind of antics without expecting me to get undressed as well, nor any parent who has not wanted a word with me first to make sure I'm at least half decent before letting me upstairs to begin with. Then again, maybe my standards are slightly higher and their parents and peers slightly more expectant also.

Err....not all dildos are motorised......

[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by StressMonkey

Err....not all dildos are motorised......

The good ones are. Even then, normal dildos generally feel different to actual fleshy human members even with condoms on them. Unless we're talking about the expensive ones you can pop in the microwave to simulate body heat but surely someone would notice the silent boyfriend slinging his supposed member in the microwave for a minute, it's not exactly a pizza roll.

[StressMonkey]

Originally Posted by OnDatKryptonite

The good ones are. Even then, normal dildos generally feel different to actual fleshy human members even with condoms on them. Unless we're talking about the expensive ones you can pop in the microwave to simulate body heat but surely someone would notice the silent boyfriend slinging his supposed member in the microwave for a minute, it's not exactly a pizza roll.

I agree anyone with any experience would be very unlikely to be fooled by a dildo, and certainly if you are an active participant it wouldn't happen. But an inexperienced, passive 15 year old? I personally wouldn't be so sure they would have known.

Doesn't mean I believe it happened.

Its all very strange.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by OnDatKryptonite

Because it makes you sound like you are being guided by your libido rather than your deductive and evaluative skills or common sense. Calling someone gorgeous once is one thing, using it like a nickname every time you refer to them seems a little obsessive and inappropriate. Also given she is in prison and is apparently a lesbian, it makes me think of the women that send love letters to convicts they have never met and also all signs indicate you are barking up the wrong tree to start with. So it might help if you seemed more objective to give more credence to your views.

How is calling Gemma Gorgeous a nickname. Thats what you call someone whos gorgeous. So your saying you cant fancy someone just because shes wrongfully locked up.

Ive never heard of women sending love letters not unless they are romantically linked to that person.

[daisyduck1976]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Ive never heard of women sending love letters not unless they are romantically linked to that person.

Almost every doc ever made about prison inmates, serial killers, people on death row, in any country, shows how they get bucketloads of romantic mail from people they have never met. Some inmates even end up marrying one of the deluded fools.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by StressMonkey

I agree anyone with any experience would be very unlikely to be fooled by a dildo, and certainly if you are an active participant it wouldn't happen. But an inexperienced, passive 15 year old? I personally wouldn't be so sure they would have known.

Doesn't mean I believe it happened.

Its all very strange.

What has this got to do with Gorgeous Gemma!

[StressMonkey]

Originally Posted by steven1977

What has this got to do with Gorgeous Gemma!

Did you watch the documentary?

[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by steven1977

How is calling Gemma Gorgeous a nickname. Thats what you call someone whos gorgeous. So your saying you cant fancy someone just because shes wrongfully locked up.

Ive never heard of women sending love letters not unless they are romantically linked to that person.

Given her birth certificate likely does not read Gorgeous Gemma Barker and you feel I have to explain what a nickname is to you when you're the one using one to address her, as if I have to explain your own actions to you to make sense of them, I am utterly bewildered at this point and happy to end this dialogue with you. If you really have to ask at all, it's probably not worth me trying to explain and I might as well try explain colours to the blind for all the good continuing this conversation on this point will do me. Good luck crushing on an imprisoned lesbian for as long as you like and more power to you if it suits you. My point was not you cannot fancy someone locked up in prison... the point is she is a lesbian. You appear to be a man. I should not need to explain why your attraction is misplaced and inappropriate if it's not apparent to you already. Lesbian being a key word with a very strong implied meaning and choice of companions sexually.

So as far as I am concerned, please leave the issue alone already in regards to discussing this point with me. Your curious attraction to a teenage lesbian in prison is your own deal to have and one I have conceded I will not bother to try address further. It's clearly a futile effort on my part to do so.

[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by StressMonkey

Did you watch the documentary?

I don't think that's the problem at it's root here. But I'd rather not get banned.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by OnDatKryptonite

Given her birth certificate likely does not read Gorgeous Gemma Barker and you feel I have to explain what a nickname is to you when you're the one using one to address her, as if I have to explain your own actions to you to make sense of them, I am utterly bewildered at this point and happy to end this dialogue with you. If you really have to ask at all, it's probably not worth me trying to explain and I might as well try explain colours to the blind for all the good continuing this conversation on this point will do me. Good luck crushing on an imprisoned lesbian for as long as you like and more power to you if it suits you. My point was not you cannot fancy someone locked up in prison... the point is she is a lesbian. You appear to be a man. I should not need to explain why your attraction is misplaced and inappropriate if it's not apparent to you already. Lesbian being a key word with a very strong implied meaning and choice of companions sexually.

So as far as I am concerned, please leave the issue alone already in regards to discussing this point with me. Your curious attraction to a teenage lesbian in prison is your own deal to have and one I have conceded I will not bother to try address further. It's clearly a futile effort on my part to do so.

So its wrong to fancy Gorgeous Gemma because shes a Lesbian? You didnt have to reply and tell me you could of just not replied and this topic would eventually drop off 2 pages to never be resurrected again.

[SuperAPJ]

I've been reading the Facebook Pages for Gemma Barker. I've never seen so much atrocious text speak!

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by SuperAPJ

I've been reading the Facebook Pages for Gemma Barker. I've never seen so much atrocious text speak!

Dont even acknowledge that horrible page.

Why cant they leave Gorgeous Gemma alone. Shes serving her time get over it.