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Should the UK take military action against Syria?

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    SanguiniusSanguinius Posts: 1,723
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    Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,344
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    Sanguinius wrote: »

    Yep although if it had of been me i would have opposed intervention from day 1 aside from a diplomatic solution not given the impression i supported government thinking.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Which begs the question, if we defend ourselves and maybe Europe and look after our interests, why did Gordon Brown build those aircraft carriers. Was it just to provide jobs in Labour areas?

    Make up your own mind from this the end of article is relevant to your question

    http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=14523
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    Neil5234Neil5234 Posts: 1,515
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    Thank god the inept **** cameron has been forced into a watered down debate.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,682
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    Wonder if ED will use this to gain popularity...
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    Sanguinius wrote: »

    It has been rather nauseating to hear some people claim that Cameron "backed down" due to clever maneuvering from Miliband. The truth is that both leaders were under pressure from their MPs so taking a step back was the wise thing to do.

    If anything this was a victory for the Commons, not for Miliband - who hasn't yet decided which way he'll get his party to vote.
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    Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,344
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    I bet ED has really Pi--ed off the "peace envoy" who was advocating a bombing mission.:sleep:
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    Neil5234 wrote: »
    Thank god the inept **** cameron has been forced into a watered down debate.

    Last week he was arrogant, aggressive and out of touch. Now he's inept, bumbling and weak.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Neil5234 wrote: »
    Thank god the inept **** cameron has been forced into a watered down debate.
    What on earth is wrong with a strong debate?
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    angarrackangarrack Posts: 5,493
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    LostFool wrote: »
    It has been rather nauseating to hear some people claim that Cameron "backed down" due to clever maneuvering from Miliband. The truth is that both leaders were under pressure from their MPs so taking a step back was the wise thing to do.

    If anything this was a victory for the Commons, not for Miliband - who hasn't yet decided which way he'll get his party to vote.

    Perhaps MPs (including Cameron and Miliband) are also listening to public opinion.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,845
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    There will be a war....it was all part of the grand Neo con plan.

    the arms industry will be a winner which means Uk and its political parties will benefit greatly

    SERCO, TASCOR and all the terrorist linked security industry will benefit greatly from the fall out and make millions. large part of it will benefit political parties through donations.

    U really think they care about the syrians......

    I thought Europeans loved Odumbo and were ecstatic that Americans elected him because he was not a "neo-con"?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,845
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    StillAlive wrote: »
    The West seems to be trying to get rid of any non-Sunni regimes. They seem to be easier to get on their side and stay under control.

    Obama grew up in Indonesia which is majority Sunni....The plot thickens.
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    I fail to see why Dave was in such a rush to recall Parliament only a couple of days early anyway and BEFORE we've had the full report of the UN inspectors.

    Because without that it was never going to wash the UK public...never mind MPs with half a brain.

    Was his blue polo shirt bored of the photo ops?

    Or was he just bounced into it by Obama?
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    Why aren't we nuking Assad?
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    LostFool wrote: »
    Last week he was arrogant, aggressive and out of touch. Now he's inept, bumbling and weak.

    They aren't opposites he can be all of them at the same time

    It's another example of this government's 'marry in haste, repent at leisure' that so characterises their policies
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    Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,344
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    My MP Robert Halfon on sky news now supporting the action and Douglas Carswell also a Tory is against any intervention at the moment.
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Sanguinius wrote: »

    Oh dear, Danny Boy isn't very happy with Ed (as usual). Even less happier than usual I suppose because Milliband is not supporting the Blair line and is a stance that is actually far more in line with the views of the population (and therefore a popular stance- Dan doesn't want Ed to be in any way popular!)
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,662
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    Reports are now that Labour will vote against today's motion.

    So, they were going to abstain against the original motion, asked for a "watered down" one, got it - and not they are going to vote against it. So, just what are they in favour of?

    It's looking more like they are using today's vote as an opportunity to defeat the government for purely political reasons rather than on any point of principle about overseas interventions.
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    tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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    No matter what the media/newspapers and certain politicians say it seems the British public don't want us to get involved. After the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that is totally understandable.
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    Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    LostFool wrote: »
    It's looking more like they are using today's vote as an opportunity to defeat the government for purely political reasons .

    Typical tactics from any party on HM Opposition benches. Doesn't make it right though.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,168
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    Sanguinius wrote: »

    Political scoring no doubt.

    The question I am wondering is, where are the Lib Dems? They are the ones that usually claim this approach to foreign intervention, ie get a bunch of suits in New York city to scribble on a piece of paper saying its OK to invade and they'll be fine about it. I would have thought they'd be the first ones to pull Cameron up on getting it made nice and legal....
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 151
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    Camboy wanted to rush in, but Milli put the breaks on. Only fools rush in. It's a pity Cleggy couldn't have said to Cameron, let's wait and see the UN evidence. Fair play Milli.
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    InspirationInspiration Posts: 62,706
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    _drak wrote: »
    Political scoring no doubt.

    The question I am wondering is, where are the Lib Dems? They are the ones that usually claim this approach to foreign intervention, ie get a bunch of suits in New York city to scribble on a piece of paper saying its OK to invade and they'll be fine about it. I would have thought they'd be the first ones to pull Cameron up on getting it made nice and legal....

    The thing that we've not seen yet is the evidence. Apparently there are intercepted conversations within the regime discussing the attack and also satellite photos of movements of weapons. However what appears to be missing from this intel is a direct connection to Assad. And that appears over the last 24 hours to have become a major issue. While enough to convince people it wasn't the rebels.. they can't directly link it to Assad.

    This evidence appears to have been what convinced Obama, France, Cameron & Hague. Possibly Nick Clegg has also seen it. Not sure about Ed Miliband.

    But this lack of a direct link has stalled the evidence being presented to the UN. And if they can't find that link... they may not be able to directly prove it was a calculated action on the part of the regime.. and that may mean no military action.

    Maybe Ed Miliband has been advised of this and he's taken the extra cautious approach as a result.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 151
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    _drak wrote: »
    Political scoring no doubt.

    The question I am wondering is, where are the Lib Dems? They are the ones that usually claim this approach to foreign intervention, ie get a bunch of suits in New York city to scribble on a piece of paper saying its OK to invade and they'll be fine about it. I would have thought they'd be the first ones to pull Cameron up on getting it made nice and legal....

    Ye guys don't really get coalition governments across the water. We get them all the time in Ireland. Once a smaller party gets into government and becomes a junior coalition member with their bums on government benches, their names on ministerial posts, and their grubby hands on ministerial pensions, we tend to find in Ireland they become yes men nearly all of the time to the senior party. Basically, they allow themselves become political prostitutes.
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