Scottish independence: let's have an honest debate (P2)

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  • bhoy07bhoy07 Posts: 25,036
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    Dare_Allan wrote: »
    Wow.

    Just wow.

    Unexpected, welcome and possibly the final death knell to the Union.

    If you think it was unexpected I'd hate to think what you believe to be pro-indy.
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    It is still 6 months less than Yes Scotland, so stop trying to spin it. BT have released their donor list twice opposed to the yes side who have done it once over a year ago. They told us they would release it in April and yet they haven't and therefore have lied to the electorate.

    Perhaps they could release them together ?
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Socialist governments always destroy jobs.

    The last lot came within a hares breath of bankrupting all of us!

    This is really what the 'independence' referendum is all about, trapping the population in a Labour/ Tory/ Liberal Socialist Worker state. It has nothing to do with making us better off.

    When have we had a socialist government?
  • InsanellamaInsanellama Posts: 139
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    Perhaps they could release them together ?
    What are you on about? Yes Scotland are welcome to release it as often as BT do but they don't. Now tell considering that Yes Scotland have again gone quiet on releasing their donor list, What are they hidding?
  • The infidelThe infidel Posts: 3,826
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    Dare_Allan wrote: »
    Wow.

    Just wow.

    Unexpected, welcome and possibly the final death knell to the Union.

    Err, why unexpected ?
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    What are you on about? Yes Scotland are welcome to release it as often as BT do but they don't. Now tell considering that Yes Scotland have again gone quiet on releasing their donor list, What are they hidding?

    What makes you think they are hiding something.?
  • Dare_AllanDare_Allan Posts: 2,328
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    bhoy07 wrote: »
    If you think it was unexpected I'd hate to think what you believe to be pro-indy.

    The Herald is the newspaper of the Funny Handshake Brigade, always has been.

    That it will back Yes, that's a killer blow for the Union.
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Dare_Allan wrote: »
    The Herald is the newspaper of the Funny Handshake Brigade, always has been.

    That it will back Yes, that's a killer blow for the Union.

    The tide is turning, who will break cover next?
  • InsanellamaInsanellama Posts: 139
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    What makes you think they are hiding something.?

    We won't know until they release their list which they don't seem to want to release. Why is it taking them so long? Why do they keep delaying releasing it? They said they were going to be the most transparent campaign in history yet they can't even release their updated donor list!

    If they keep delaying releasing their list then we can only assume they are hiding something. Seriously Auld this is not something you can defend and if you try and defend it then you are just showing how blindly you follow Yes Scotland. You should admit that on this specific issue the Yes Side need to get their act together and release their updated donor list.
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    We won't know until they release their list which they don't seem to want to release. Why is it taking them so long? Why do they keep delaying releasing it? They said they were going to be the most transparent campaign in history yet they can't even release their updated donor list!

    If they keep delaying releasing their list then we can only assume they are hiding something. Seriously Auld this is not something you can defend and if you try and defend it then you are just showing how blindly you follow Yes Scotland. You should admit that on this specific issue the Yes Side need to get their act together and release their updated donor list.

    Well both sides will have to publish updated lists in the run up to the referendum. Perhaps there is no need to publish just now.
  • Dare_AllanDare_Allan Posts: 2,328
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    The tide is turning, who will break cover next?

    The Scotsman has to follow suit, it really doesn't have an option now. Even though it has virtually no circulation it has to defend the possibility of its survival. Which now means independence.
  • The infidelThe infidel Posts: 3,826
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    bhoy07 wrote: »
    Sunday Herald declares its support for independance and is now no longer credible in its reporting.

    For real? Really? I guess they must have been told which currency we are to have. What do they say on the subject?

    Its a brave move now that EU leaders are now keen to distance themselves from Salmond.
  • Dare_AllanDare_Allan Posts: 2,328
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    You should admit that on this specific issue the Yes Side need to get their act together and release their updated donor list.

    I think they should do that the same day Vote No Borders release their list and show that £400k has been provided by the UK Government.
  • InsanellamaInsanellama Posts: 139
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    Well both sides will have to publish updated lists in the run up to the referendum. Perhaps there is no need to publish just now.

    Unbelievable you are now making excuses :D. The Yes side ranted on about how transparent they were going to be by release regular updates. They said they would release an updated list in April and have not and you think that is fine?

    Surely even you can see that this is wrong?
  • InsanellamaInsanellama Posts: 139
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    Dare_Allan wrote: »
    I think they should do that the same day Vote No Borders release their list and show that £400k has been provided by the UK Government.

    Oh Please stop trying to deflect attention off Yes Scotland, if you are going into smaller groups which are not the official campaigns, then I can name a lot and I mean a lot of pro-indy groups which are not releasing donor lists.

    This is about the two main official campaigns BT and Yes Scotland. Come on Dare do you agree that Yes Scotland should release their list now? Or are you going to make more excuses.
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Unbelievable you are now making excuses :D. The Yes side ranted on about how transparent they were going to be by release regular updates. They said they would release an updated list in April and have not and you think that is fine?

    Surely even you can see that this is wrong?

    There is no legal requirement to publish anything just now. I would be more perturbed if they were breaking the law. Just now it is still just politics.
  • mRebelmRebel Posts: 24,882
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    Who was wrong ?

    Your good self, when you claimed countries gaining independence from the UK had joined a CU with us. Remember?
  • InsanellamaInsanellama Posts: 139
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    There is no legal requirement to publish anything just now. I would be more perturbed if they were breaking the law. Just now it is still just politics.

    They said they would release their list 1 year after their last updated list in April 2013 and have not, so it begs the question do you approve of lying? And please don't try to deflect attention by saying something about BT, just a yes or no will do :)
  • Dare_AllanDare_Allan Posts: 2,328
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    Oh Please stop trying to deflect attention off Yes Scotland, if you are going into smaller groups which are not the official campaigns, then I can name a lot and I mean a lot of pro-indy groups which are not releasing donor lists.

    This is about the two main official campaigns BT and Yes Scotland. Come on Dare do you agree that Yes Scotland should release their list now? Or are you going to make more excuses.

    Oh really?

    So why haven't the newspapers declared their interest? Because its a nonsense in a debate like this. The newspapers dont declare because that would be millions of pounds supporting No, millions of pounds which would breach electoral guidelines. The whole thing is a joke.

    BT has no money because it has no support in Scotland. Yes Scotland has support because it is widely viewed as the best possible outcome for Scotland. Why should they kow tow to a Westminster government they don't support. They should now. this is the most important decision we will ever make, all the money and all the support for Yes should be applauded.

    Because all the UK offers is destitution and ruin.
  • woot_whoowoot_whoo Posts: 18,030
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    They said they would release their list 1 year after their last updated list in April 2013 and have not, so it begs the question do you approve of lying? And please don't try to deflect attention by saying something about BT, just a yes or no will do :)

    On the upside, their publishing of donors would deny you the chance to make political capital out of their not having done so. So every cloud and all that.
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    mRebel wrote: »
    Your good self, when you claimed countries gaining independence from the UK had joined a CU with us. Remember?

    So Australia did not?
  • Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    They said they would release their list 1 year after their last updated list in April 2013 and have not, so it begs the question do you approve of lying? And please don't try to deflect attention by saying something about BT, just a yes or no will do :)

    So they are , just now, 3 days late. Hang 'em Hang ' em I say:D
  • InsanellamaInsanellama Posts: 139
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    Dare_Allan wrote: »
    Oh really?
    There was nothing in your argument which even came back at my argument :D. We are talking about donor lists of the two official campaigns, if Yes Scotland are a trustworthy campaign they would release their donor list. This is not about your conspiracy about the MSM (though I do find it hillarious).
    woot_whoo wrote: »
    On the upside, their publishing of donors would deny you the chance to make political capital out of their not having done so. So every cloud and all that.
    How do you know? We don't even know what dodgy donors (if any) they have because they refuse to release their list :D
    Auld Snody wrote: »
    So they are , just now, 3 days late. Hang 'em Hang ' em I say:D
    So far but don't worry I'll keep reminding you guys about it :D
  • woot_whoowoot_whoo Posts: 18,030
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    There was nothing in your argument which even came back at my argument :D. We are talking about donor lists of the two official campaigns, if Yes Scotland are a trustworthy campaign they would release their donor list. This is not about your conspiracy about the MSM (though I do find it hillarious).

    So Dare why if Yes Scotland is rolling in dosh from trustworthy people are the Yes side refusing to release their updated list?


    How do you know? We don't even know what dodgy donors they have because they refuse to release their list :D


    So far but don't worry I'll keep reminding you guys about it :D

    Are you inferring that their donors are "dodgy"? As fun as indulging in a bit of libel is, I'd hope you have something more than just a desire to bash "Yes Scotland" to back it up...
  • InsanellamaInsanellama Posts: 139
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    woot_whoo wrote: »
    Are you inferring that their donors are "dodgy"? As fun as indulging in a bit of libel is, I'd hope you have something more than just a desire to bash "Yes Scotland" to back it up...

    Nope I am not. I saying that we don't know who is on their list it could be anyone. Simple.
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