The Doctor is the huge focus of this episode. Clara isn't telling him what to do. She's just important to the story. As she should be.
It's not THE DOCTOR SHOW, it's as much about the companion.
I wouldn't say he's the huge focus tbh. I think he and his near dangerous need to be right are the catalyst but Clara has the more important role. I can remember far more things that she did in this episode than the Doctor and I think she has more screen time too.
The majority of negative reactions will most likely be from hung up fans who will take it as a personal insult that Steven has gone somewhere with The Doctor that no other showrunner has dared to do before.
Oh, absolutely. There are already hints emanating from sites where many of the old Whovian farts congregate (like Outpost Skaro etc.) that they hate it because of the so called heresy against Doctor Who 'history' it supposedly contains. Only us 'not real Doctor Who fans' (or the casual viewer) will be able to see past it. We have no shame.... ;-)
Oh, absolutely. There are already hints emanating from sites where many of the old Whovian farts congregate (like Outpost Skaro etc.) that they hate it because of the so called heresy against Doctor Who 'history' it supposedly contains. Only us 'not real Doctor Who fans' (or the casual viewer) will be able to see past it. We have no shame.... ;-)
Good. If it winds them up then all the better. That's what I like about Moffat above all else. He doesn't mind upsetting people.
Good. If it winds them up then all the better. That's what I like about Moffat above all else. He doesn't mind upsetting people.
My sentiments exactly. Oh, and if by the off chance you should ever come into contact with them, say it's just been confirmed he's staying for Series 9 and 10. The ensuing facial expression will always inspire a deeply satisfying feeling!
My sentiments exactly. Oh, and if by the off chance you should ever come into contact with them, say it's just been confirmed he's staying for Series 9 and 10. The ensuing facial expression will always inspire a deeply satisfying feeling!
You can try it on The Gatherer when they return to the world of the active membership.
You can try it on The Gatherer when they return to the world of the active membership.
What's so strange is that for people who've watched this show about a time travelling alien from year dot and claim to love it, they seem pretty insistent on it standing still....in time and everything else. Sorry, I just think they're weird.
The Doctor is the huge focus of this episode. Clara isn't telling him what to do. She's just important to the story. As she should be.
It's not THE DOCTOR SHOW, it's as much about the companion.
Glad to hear this episode is not all about Clara
I am enjoying this series regardless but I do think it is indeed the DOCTOR show as a whole.
It is and always has been. Not called Doctor Who for nothing.
I think companions are important and I really get attached to them BUT they are not important enough to take 50% of the screen time and story line in every show. Companions come and go all the time.
The show could be entirely about him travelling alone and still be great I think.
The Doctor regenerates but it is supposed to be mostly about him regardless I think.
I just don't see how Clara has been more significant than any other companion especially New Who. Especially in Deep Breath it was the Doctor who sorted almost everything. Whereas how many times did Rose and Donna solve everything while the doctor bumbled around? Quite alot.
Its like they cant win. Clara is underdeveloped everyone said and I would agree. Now she has been made more of a three dimensional character people don't like it! It really is true you cant please all of the people all of the time.
I just don't see how Clara has been more significant than any other companion especially New Who. Especially in Deep Breath it was the Doctor who sorted almost everything. Whereas how many times did Rose and Donna solve everything while the doctor bumbled around? Quite alot.
Its like they cant win. Clara is underdeveloped everyone said and I would agree. Now she has been made more of a three dimensional character people don't like it! It really is true you cant please all of the people all of the time.
It annoyed me in past series when the companions appeared to solve everything while the doctor bumbled around too.
Personally I never thought Clara was so underdeveloped. I liked her then a lot and dont actually dislike her now, just want more Doctor.
After seeing the leak I'll be intrigued to see how it's received.
I'll post the next part in spoilers but there is no plot details just my opinion but if you want dont want to know a thing dont read.
Loved about 30 minutes of it but the ending felt like such a typical recent Moffat ending. It's like he's scared to give a plot with any complexity a concrete ending. It's like here's a load of ideas annnndddd bleh heres a quick tie up.
It annoyed me in past series when the companions appeared to solve everything while the doctor bumbled around too.
"Journey's End". Not only does the Doctor have so little relevance to the plot's resolution, that it actually loops around to his failings doing more to solve things.
Seriously, his only contribution to that story was GETTING SHOT,
I agree with others who have said that there's going to be a divide in opinion, but I don't think it'll happen immediately. I think people will mostly love the first 30-35 minutes (it's Moffat at his finest)... and then the divide occurs.
I'm almost looking forward to the reactions more than I am the episode itself .
I agree with others who have said that there's going to be a divide in opinion, but I don't think it'll happen immediately. I think people will mostly love the first 30-35 minutes (it's Moffat at his finest)... and then the divide occurs.
I'm almost looking forward to the reactions more than I am the episode itself .
I've seen the episode and am a bit meh about the first 35 minutes but adore the last ten.
Paul Simpson of SciFiBulletin says it's an 'utterly brilliant episode'. They'll be posting a spoiler free preview later today or tomorrow.
Also, I must apologise to the reviewer of the episode from Outpost Skaro, Eddie Mcguigan (though not the site admins themselves), for my earlier comments. He calls it 'fantastic' (review not posted yet) and my mistake came from believing the comments between their twitter account and a well known Moffat hating numpty came from him.
It's a more Doctor-centric story, in that Peter Capaldi takes more of the centre stage than Jenna Coleman this time around. That said, Coleman has work of her own, not least in relation to Danny Pink, who returns in a not-always-obvious way
It sounds like fans who give a damn about Who-lore are going to be quite irate after the episode is aired, so may I propose a thread dedicated to said fans in which they can pretend they know very little of the show, a sort of pre-emptive psychodrama (or psychothread) to help prepare for this seismic shift in the mythology? ;-)
Apart from focussing even more on the unsure "Am I a Good man?" side of the Doctor. It is.
I've seen it. Apart from the major character stuff that is setting something up for later, the nature of the 'thing' [trying to avoid spoilers, it's difficult] might be highly relevant by the end of the series.
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I wouldn't say he's the huge focus tbh. I think he and his near dangerous need to be right are the catalyst but Clara has the more important role. I can remember far more things that she did in this episode than the Doctor and I think she has more screen time too.
Good. If it winds them up then all the better. That's what I like about Moffat above all else. He doesn't mind upsetting people.
You can try it on The Gatherer when they return to the world of the active membership.
Glad to hear this episode is not all about Clara
I am enjoying this series regardless but I do think it is indeed the DOCTOR show as a whole.
It is and always has been. Not called Doctor Who for nothing.
I think companions are important and I really get attached to them BUT they are not important enough to take 50% of the screen time and story line in every show. Companions come and go all the time.
The show could be entirely about him travelling alone and still be great I think.
The Doctor regenerates but it is supposed to be mostly about him regardless I think.
Its like they cant win. Clara is underdeveloped everyone said and I would agree. Now she has been made more of a three dimensional character people don't like it! It really is true you cant please all of the people all of the time.
It annoyed me in past series when the companions appeared to solve everything while the doctor bumbled around too.
Personally I never thought Clara was so underdeveloped. I liked her then a lot and dont actually dislike her now, just want more Doctor.
I'll post the next part in spoilers but there is no plot details just my opinion but if you want dont want to know a thing dont read.
"Journey's End". Not only does the Doctor have so little relevance to the plot's resolution, that it actually loops around to his failings doing more to solve things.
Seriously, his only contribution to that story was GETTING SHOT,
I'm almost looking forward to the reactions more than I am the episode itself
I've seen the episode and am a bit meh about the first 35 minutes but adore the last ten.
Also, I must apologise to the reviewer of the episode from Outpost Skaro, Eddie Mcguigan (though not the site admins themselves), for my earlier comments. He calls it 'fantastic' (review not posted yet) and my mistake came from believing the comments between their twitter account and a well known Moffat hating numpty came from him.
http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/32044/doctor-who-series-8-listen-spoiler-free-review
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http://www.sfx.co.uk/2014/09/10/doctor-who-8-04-listen-spoiler-free-preview/
Apart from focussing even more on the unsure "Am I a Good man?" side of the Doctor. It is.
I've seen it. Apart from the major character stuff that is setting something up for later, the nature of the 'thing' [trying to avoid spoilers, it's difficult] might be highly relevant by the end of the series.
Can you imagine if the internet existed when the 'The Deadly Assassin' aired...
'How dare Robert Holmes say that a Timelord can only regenerate 12 times!'
The more we learn about the Doctor the better imho.
Not that anybody believed it until 2013
I liked it a lot, but I don't think its quite as impressive as a lot of other people are saying. It will be divisive I think