Why were Scots in England not allowed to vote in the referendum?
It's incredibly simple. If people were registered to vote in Scotland, then they could vote in the referendum. If they weren't registered to vote, then they couldn't.
Why do people have a problem understanding this amazingly easy concept?
It's incredibly simple. If people were registered to vote in Scotland, then they could vote in the referendum. If they weren't registered to vote, then they couldn't.
Why do people have a problem understanding this amazingly easy concept?
I know, it was a No, be happy, yet beating them by around half a million isn't enough and the number should of been higher
It's incredibly simple. If people were registered to vote in Scotland, then they could vote in the referendum. If they weren't registered to vote, then they couldn't.
Why do people have a problem understanding this amazingly easy concept?
Thats not a reason why people elsewhere in the UK shouldn't have had a say in the referendum.
After all, there were many of us in England who hoped Scotland would depart and stop their perpetual moaning, once and for all.
Unfortunately we weren't allowed a vote on the future make-up of the United Kingdom.
Would you agree to the French, Germans, Greeks etc getting a vote in any EU referendum on continued British membership?
Yes, I think that the other members of a union should be allowed their say.
But there's nothing to stop any country pulling out of a union unilaterally if thats what they want.
The campaign on Scotland's future seemed to be conducted UK nation wide with inputs from all the constituent countries including MPs from Westminster. If it was simply a Scottish matter why did they get involved?
Thats not a reason why people elsewhere in the UK shouldn't have had a say in the referendum.
After all, there were many of us in England who hoped Scotland would depart and stop their perpetual moaning, once and for all.
Unfortunately we weren't allowed a vote on the future make-up of the United Kingdom.
How would that work? England has an electorate 10 times the size of Scotland - you'd have had the English electorate deciding whether Scotland could leave the Union or not.
I'm not spinning anything, it's you who's trying to spin to defend him.
He's been kicking it into the long grass for a long time, that's not even something that's open to question. Try and spin all you like to defend him, good luck, I don't think anyone is going to fall for it though.
I'm not spinning anything, it's you who's trying to spin to defend him.
He's been kicking it into the long grass for a long time, that's not even something that's open to question. Try and spin all you like to defend him, good luck, I don't think anyone is going to fall for it though.
If Cameron hasn't agreed to the proposals put forward by the TV companies within a reasonable time frame that allows for the debates to be broadcast then you'll have ample justification for accusing him of stalling.
But seeing as the proposals only came out TODAY your accusation that he's been "kicking it into the long grass for a long time" is patently absurd rather than "not even something that's open to question".
Yes, I think that the other members of a union should be allowed their say.
But there's nothing to stop any country pulling out of a union unilaterally if thats what they want.
The campaign on Scotland's future seemed to be conducted UK nation wide with inputs from all the constituent countries including MPs from Westminster. If it was simply a Scottish matter why did they get involved?
I agree that the involvement of Westminster politicians, the banks, media and big business was a subversion of democracy.
I agree. Four years ago the justification given for not including UKIP in the party leaders debates was that they didn't have an MP.
If they are going to be included next year because they do now have an MP then the other parties with MPs, The Green Party, Plaid Cymru, etc, should also be included.
I agree. Four years ago the justification given for not including UKIP in the party leaders debates was that they don't have an MP.
If they are going to be included next year because they do now have an MP then the other parties with MPs, The Green Party, Plaid Cymru, etc, should also be included.
Quite and as for those thinking what the SNP think doesn't matter to them when they live in Watford...they might discover it matters a whole lot to them if the next election produces the result many are predicting.
No overall majority and either Labour or the Tories grubbing around to stitch up some kind of coalition or a pact to be able to get legislation passed.
If the UK bombing Syria or not could rest on how the SNP would vote suddenly might make them very interesting to the people of Watford.
Thats not a reason why people elsewhere in the UK shouldn't have had a say in the referendum.
After all, there were many of us in England who hoped Scotland would depart and stop their perpetual moaning, once and for all.
Unfortunately we weren't allowed a vote on the future make-up of the United Kingdom.
Just as well, as anyone who thinks the whole of Scotland has been guilty of "perpetual moaning", or that Scotland could be ejected from the UK whether it wanted to go or not, shouldn't be allowed to vote!
Party membership as opposed to support(and not actual numbers, but % growth) has not been an important factor in deciding the most prominent parties. Even then, its still only half of UKIP's membership, and a tenth of Labour membership.
No, please don't. We don't want t hear anymore bitter bleatings from a standard Digitalspy little Englander with a massive chip on his shoulder. We're taking away from his valuable time moaning about the 'Moslems'.....:(
No, please don't. We don't want t hear anymore bitter bleatings from a standard Digitalspy little Englander with a massive chip on his shoulder. We're taking away from his valuable time moaning about the 'Moslems'.....:(
Don't forget foreign aid and the left wing bias of the BBC. ;-)
If they had the amount of press coverage UKIP got, they'd be polling better too, and would be a welcome refuge for progressives who have been alienated from Labour and the Lib-Dems.
Would you agree to the French, Germans, Greeks etc getting a vote in any EU referendum on continued British membership?
They will if they are registered to vote here. And Salmond let them vote in his referendum - while Scots outside Scotland couldn't
And it was self determination as defined by Salmond for his own purposes.
What was asking for self determination was, supposedly, a nation. And a nation is comprised of people who either believe they belong to that nation, or people who are attached to that nation and might wish to return there , or decided by birthplace as well as residence.
Salmond's definition was a blatant attempt to disenfranchisse those enterprising Scots who had left the country, in many cases temporaily , in search of better prospects. He didn't want the successes of the current system to vote, and did want to maximise his vote among the stay behind poor, in areas favourable to a yes vote. So he excluded those who obviously saw advantages in not leaving the UK or EU , where their jobs were. He even disenfranchissed Scottish servicemen on duty outside Scotland - because he knew that they would vote for the Union , and reject his ridiculous defence policy.
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From what you quoted yoursefl:
"There are some questions... Why include some parties and not other parties?"
I've seen quotes of him elsewhere saying why should one party with one MP have a place and another doesn't.
Yes of course Cameron isn't stalling *roll eyes*.
Some Tory supporters are unbelievable.
Why do people have a problem understanding this amazingly easy concept?
I know, it was a No, be happy, yet beating them by around half a million isn't enough and the number should of been higher
So instead of admitting you quoted Cameron wrong, you make another allegation, completely unfounded, that Cameron is stalling.
Not good enough Jol its you that's unbelievable.
Thats not a reason why people elsewhere in the UK shouldn't have had a say in the referendum.
After all, there were many of us in England who hoped Scotland would depart and stop their perpetual moaning, once and for all.
Unfortunately we weren't allowed a vote on the future make-up of the United Kingdom.
Self determination
Self explanatory
Would you agree to the French, Germans, Greeks etc getting a vote in any EU referendum on continued British membership?
Self delusion.
Yes, I think that the other members of a union should be allowed their say.
But there's nothing to stop any country pulling out of a union unilaterally if thats what they want.
The campaign on Scotland's future seemed to be conducted UK nation wide with inputs from all the constituent countries including MPs from Westminster. If it was simply a Scottish matter why did they get involved?
How would that work? England has an electorate 10 times the size of Scotland - you'd have had the English electorate deciding whether Scotland could leave the Union or not.
Stalling? The proposals were only released today.
Your attempts to spin are so pathetic.
I think Paxman is chairing, she's just doing the pre & post waffling
I'm not spinning anything, it's you who's trying to spin to defend him.
He's been kicking it into the long grass for a long time, that's not even something that's open to question. Try and spin all you like to defend him, good luck, I don't think anyone is going to fall for it though.
If Cameron hasn't agreed to the proposals put forward by the TV companies within a reasonable time frame that allows for the debates to be broadcast then you'll have ample justification for accusing him of stalling.
But seeing as the proposals only came out TODAY your accusation that he's been "kicking it into the long grass for a long time" is patently absurd rather than "not even something that's open to question".
I agree that the involvement of Westminster politicians, the banks, media and big business was a subversion of democracy.
I agree. Four years ago the justification given for not including UKIP in the party leaders debates was that they didn't have an MP.
If they are going to be included next year because they do now have an MP then the other parties with MPs, The Green Party, Plaid Cymru, etc, should also be included.
Quite and as for those thinking what the SNP think doesn't matter to them when they live in Watford...they might discover it matters a whole lot to them if the next election produces the result many are predicting.
No overall majority and either Labour or the Tories grubbing around to stitch up some kind of coalition or a pact to be able to get legislation passed.
If the UK bombing Syria or not could rest on how the SNP would vote suddenly might make them very interesting to the people of Watford.
Just as well, as anyone who thinks the whole of Scotland has been guilty of "perpetual moaning", or that Scotland could be ejected from the UK whether it wanted to go or not, shouldn't be allowed to vote!
Please explain.
Party membership as opposed to support(and not actual numbers, but % growth) has not been an important factor in deciding the most prominent parties. Even then, its still only half of UKIP's membership, and a tenth of Labour membership.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/briefing-papers/SN05125/membership-of-uk-political-parties
No, please don't. We don't want t hear anymore bitter bleatings from a standard Digitalspy little Englander with a massive chip on his shoulder. We're taking away from his valuable time moaning about the 'Moslems'.....:(
Don't forget foreign aid and the left wing bias of the BBC. ;-)
If they had the amount of press coverage UKIP got, they'd be polling better too, and would be a welcome refuge for progressives who have been alienated from Labour and the Lib-Dems.
They will if they are registered to vote here. And Salmond let them vote in his referendum - while Scots outside Scotland couldn't
And it was self determination as defined by Salmond for his own purposes.
What was asking for self determination was, supposedly, a nation. And a nation is comprised of people who either believe they belong to that nation, or people who are attached to that nation and might wish to return there , or decided by birthplace as well as residence.
Salmond's definition was a blatant attempt to disenfranchisse those enterprising Scots who had left the country, in many cases temporaily , in search of better prospects. He didn't want the successes of the current system to vote, and did want to maximise his vote among the stay behind poor, in areas favourable to a yes vote. So he excluded those who obviously saw advantages in not leaving the UK or EU , where their jobs were. He even disenfranchissed Scottish servicemen on duty outside Scotland - because he knew that they would vote for the Union , and reject his ridiculous defence policy.