His response was 100% correct (or - as "Dave" would put it: 50% correct). If she wants to rant, just let her rant.
Boris would have done exactly the same. And would have calmly looked at the floor (not the ceiling) as she continued.
I would not expect anger or finger pointing in these exact circumstances from either of the 2 men who hope to be the next Prime Minister.
What a fun thread.
Today we learned that Ed wants to save the NHS with a new tax which might raise 1% of the NHS budget if he is lucky, but may only raise a quarter of one per cent.
We also learned that he can't win a political argument with a singer.
actually I think he did very well, when one considers he was being constantly interrupted and shouted at from all sided by a panel that had obviously been hand picked for their hostility towards him, imagine if he had shouted back and constantly interrupted and flapped his hands in her face, at that 'woman' in the same way she shouted at him,?
I don't know how they select the other panellists. Do you have any evidence they had been hand picked for their hostility towards Ed or are you just a bit paranoid?
And if Ed is PM, he's going to have to deal with people - important people - who will shout at him and interrupt him. I suggest he grows a backbone pronto.
I am eagerly awaiting Cameron, a trades union rep, a nurse, a person on the NMW with a "spare" bedroom, and a disabled person who has been told they are fit for work,
Just for, ya know, balance?
Cameron has been on the show 3 times in the past. It appears that he managed to get through the show without incident.
Old Hippy Guy. Congratulations on winning the Digitalspy Forum award for missing the point 2014.
The issue isn't about whether Ed is right or wrong. It is about how he presents it to the world. If he can be shouted down by an ex-member of Hear'Say, what hope does he have of convincing the public about his policies, or standing up for Britain's interests internationally?
Style over substance is the terrible affliction of David Cameron - and that cost him a majority in 2010 in my view. What Ed demonstrates is even worse - no style or substance.
I freely admit to being a Conservative supporter and have always voted for them (except once when I voted LD in a council election as I liked the candidate). That doesn't make me blind to their failings. I would say Iain Duncan Smith was far far worse opposition leader than Ed Miliband could ever be, even on his worst days. That is why the (Bloody) Tories had the sense to ditch him as soon as possible.
In my view anyone who truly supports the Labour party should be calling for EM to resign. I don't agree with a lot of Labour policy , but at the end of the day they have values and convictions that are being eroded and destroyed by a comepltely inept leader.
The issue isn't about whether Ed is right or wrong. It is about how he presents it to the world. If he can be shouted down by an ex-member of Hear'Say, what hope does he have of convincing the public about his policies, or standing up for Britain's interests internationally?
This is usually followed by: What exactly will Ed Miliband do if he has a private meeting during a G20 Summit........and Putin suddenly - and without warning - Takes his shirt off (for no obvious reason).....??.
Hmmm......Let's see. What do I want him to do?
I want him to listen carefully to what the other guy is saying. And then open a dialogue.
I am unclear how you want a Prime Minister to behave, or if you approve of "Dave" instructing "Diplomats" to scuttle around spreading gossip about the drinking habits of the incoming President of the European Commission.
I was put off by former PM John Major on Andrew Marr's programme on Sunday with the way he said "Maybe later" to a female editor of a newspaper. It was the way he said it, I got the impression he meant more than what she wanted to ask him.
And of course he has got form with Edwina Currie and over the years I get the impression that the stories about another affair involving him and that Downing Street cook were true as well.
Maybe arguing with an ex-popstar is what Labour consider "Klass warfare".
I'm watching it now and I have found the posts about Ed being "beaten up by Klass" completely bogus.
He mentioned why are they ok with the bedroom tax and not the mansion tax and they said they weren't but they didn't moan about the bedroom tax did they? That says a lot no?
Of course suggesting that she be taxed on a "glass of water" was a stupid point to make. That's why she's B-list celebrity and not not wanting to be holder of the most powerful office in the land in 6 months . However Miliband failed to deal with the points raised and that was what was embarrassing. Any decent debater would have taken her argument apart and put her in her place.
He went to reply and the host cut him off and said something like 'thats enough of that we're moving on'
I've just watched this. Blimey, he had a old tough time didn't he. His problem seems to be that he can't debate, he just repeats the party message over and over. That makes him appear weak. Myleene Klass is a smart and educated woman so it's to paint it as being demolished by a pop star isn't really fair but he should be able to perform better and he needs to get better over the coming months.
I'm watching it now and I have found the posts about Ed being "beaten up by Klass" completely bogus.
He mentioned why are they ok with the bedroom tax and not the mansion tax and they said they weren't but they didn't moan about the bedroom tax did they? That says a lot no?
From what I've seen of it Ed didn't lose any arguments, but his problem is still that his image isn't very prime ministerial.
'Fact is he's down at the moment and so everyone puts the boot in. That's what happens when you're down, it doesn't matter whether or not you deserve it.
It is going to be an uphill struggle for him to overcome this, but the silver lining for Ed is twofold:
Firstly, the bar is pretty low this time around and, though his poll rating might be higher, Cameron is hardly John F Kennedy. From Ed's perspective, if the public see you as Stan Laurel, then it might not be too damaging if they see your opponent as Oliver Hardy.
Secondly, if Ed does somehow manage to win through next May, then once he gets real power it should be relatively easy for him to dispel current perceptions.
Secondly, if Ed does somehow manage to win through next May, then once he gets real power it should be relatively easy for him to dispel current perceptions.
What gives you that idea? He has had 4 years to dispel perceptions about him and it hasn't worked despite many relaunches. Prime Ministers don't automatically become popular, respected and listened to just by walking into the door of Number 10. Just ask Gordon Brown.
What gives you that idea? He has had 4 years to dispel perceptions about him and it hasn't worked despite many relaunches. Prime Ministers don't automatically become popular, respected and listened to just by walking into the door of Number 10. Just ask Gordon Brown.
Oh he'll become unpopular for sure, just like Brown did. Politicians always disappoint, ask Obama. But Ed's problem at the moment isn't unpopularity, it's that people can't believe this is their alternative to Cameron. It's image, rather than substance based. Once Ed's seen wielding real power, hob-nobbing with the likes of Merkel, Putin and Hilary Clinton ;-), then that will change.
He was terrible, definitely not Prime Minister material.
I'm afraid I fully agree. He's clearly not up to the job of Leader Of The Opposition, never mind promotion to this nation's leader as Prime Minister. I just hope they can get rid of him before the election and persuade Alan Johnson to step up to the plate. Infact it's a shame his brother David is no longer an MP because he could have wielded the assassins knife right now against his brother, just like Ed did to him over the leadership 4 years ago. What a crazy decision it now looks. I'd like to vote Labour but absolutely not with Ed Miliband. He's more unelectable than Kinnock. So I'm off to give Farage my vote come May, like a large majority of other prospective Labour voters, more than they seem to realise. It's not just Tories switching to Farage.
What gives you that idea? He has had 4 years to dispel perceptions about him and it hasn't worked despite many relaunches. Prime Ministers don't automatically become popular, respected and listened to just by walking into the door of Number 10. Just ask Gordon Brown.
If he walks into no 10 with a small majority on the back of 35% of the popular vote. Then acts like he's got a sense of entitlement to the job and expects the public to automatically respect and listen to him. He'll be in for a shock. Short of an electoral miracle or a personality cult forming around him. He'll be in for a tough time from the start. It won't get any easier if he continues with his "I'm right and you're wrong" approach to policy.
If he walks into no 10 with a small majority on the back of 35% of the popular vote. Then acts like he's got a sense of entitlement to the job and expects the public to automatically respect and listen to him. He'll be in for a shock. Short of an electoral miracle or a personality cult forming around him. He'll be in for a tough time from the start. It won't get any easier if he continues with his "I'm right and you're wrong" approach to policy.
Ashcrofts polls have shown more than once that Labour will gain 100 marginal seats. Labour got a 66 seat majority in 2005 with 36/35% of the vote though that was reduced "automatically" to around 48 because of boundary changes that were in place for the 2010 election but a majority of 48 would be more than enough to get things done.
Ashcrofts polls have shown more than once that Labour will gain 100 marginal seats. Labour got a 66 seat majority in 2005 with 36/35% of the vote though that was reduced "automatically" to around 48 because of boundary changes that were in place for the 2010 election but a majority of 48 would be more than enough to get things done.
Does that estimate include the meltdown in Labour votes in Scotland?
Does that estimate include the meltdown in Labour votes in Scotland?
No they were done before but lets see if those polls hold. I doubt they will. The scottish people voted with their heads and not their hearts on independence, they will probably do the same for the General Election too but even if the SNP take Labour seats off them, they are more to the left than Labour and are not going to support the Tories.
Ashcrofts polls have shown more than once that Labour will gain 100 marginal seats. Labour got a 66 seat majority in 2005 with 36/35% of the vote though that was reduced "automatically" to around 48 because of boundary changes that were in place for the 2010 election but a majority of 48 would be more than enough to get things done.
This isn't 2005. The landscape has changed. UKIP in England (The "safe" Heywood nearly going UKIP for the want of 600 votes) and the SNP in Scotland both on the rise.
This isn't 2005. The landscape has changed. UKIP in England (The "safe" Heywood nearly going UKIP for the want of 600 votes) and the SNP in Scotland both on the rise.
You really think the moaning can't be pleased lot voting for UKIP in a "protest", always balming immigrants for everything will vote for UKIP in the same levels at the General Election? I don't but whatever, whatever. Whoever gets in sells out and lets their core supporters down and UKIP are all over the place too!
UKIP can't stick to any of their polciies apart from get out of Europe and they are saying and soing anything to get votes. I think the people pledging support for them know they are getting hoodwinked but they pretend they aren't but will moan their arses off if/when things hit the fan.
They done it before with Blair, then with Cameron and Clagg, the same thing will happen if loud mouth farage ever got in which he won't. - GOOD!
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Well said.
Today we learned that Ed wants to save the NHS with a new tax which might raise 1% of the NHS budget if he is lucky, but may only raise a quarter of one per cent.
We also learned that he can't win a political argument with a singer.
I don't know how they select the other panellists. Do you have any evidence they had been hand picked for their hostility towards Ed or are you just a bit paranoid?
And if Ed is PM, he's going to have to deal with people - important people - who will shout at him and interrupt him. I suggest he grows a backbone pronto.
What am I "pushing"? Are you making things up about me again?
Cameron has been on the show 3 times in the past. It appears that he managed to get through the show without incident.
Maybe Cameron is just better at this, ya know.
The issue isn't about whether Ed is right or wrong. It is about how he presents it to the world. If he can be shouted down by an ex-member of Hear'Say, what hope does he have of convincing the public about his policies, or standing up for Britain's interests internationally?
Style over substance is the terrible affliction of David Cameron - and that cost him a majority in 2010 in my view. What Ed demonstrates is even worse - no style or substance.
I freely admit to being a Conservative supporter and have always voted for them (except once when I voted LD in a council election as I liked the candidate). That doesn't make me blind to their failings. I would say Iain Duncan Smith was far far worse opposition leader than Ed Miliband could ever be, even on his worst days. That is why the (Bloody) Tories had the sense to ditch him as soon as possible.
In my view anyone who truly supports the Labour party should be calling for EM to resign. I don't agree with a lot of Labour policy , but at the end of the day they have values and convictions that are being eroded and destroyed by a comepltely inept leader.
This is usually followed by: What exactly will Ed Miliband do if he has a private meeting during a G20 Summit........and Putin suddenly - and without warning - Takes his shirt off (for no obvious reason).....??.
Hmmm......Let's see. What do I want him to do?
I want him to listen carefully to what the other guy is saying. And then open a dialogue.
I am unclear how you want a Prime Minister to behave, or if you approve of "Dave" instructing "Diplomats" to scuttle around spreading gossip about the drinking habits of the incoming President of the European Commission.
I was put off by former PM John Major on Andrew Marr's programme on Sunday with the way he said "Maybe later" to a female editor of a newspaper. It was the way he said it, I got the impression he meant more than what she wanted to ask him.
And of course he has got form with Edwina Currie and over the years I get the impression that the stories about another affair involving him and that Downing Street cook were true as well.
http://order-order.com/2014/11/18/working-klass-hero-the-people-back-myleene-over-ed/
Maybe arguing with an ex-popstar is what Labour consider "Klass warfare".
I'm watching it now and I have found the posts about Ed being "beaten up by Klass" completely bogus.
He mentioned why are they ok with the bedroom tax and not the mansion tax and they said they weren't but they didn't moan about the bedroom tax did they? That says a lot no?
He went to reply and the host cut him off and said something like 'thats enough of that we're moving on'
LOL - very good.
From what I've seen of it Ed didn't lose any arguments, but his problem is still that his image isn't very prime ministerial.
'Fact is he's down at the moment and so everyone puts the boot in. That's what happens when you're down, it doesn't matter whether or not you deserve it.
It is going to be an uphill struggle for him to overcome this, but the silver lining for Ed is twofold:
Firstly, the bar is pretty low this time around and, though his poll rating might be higher, Cameron is hardly John F Kennedy. From Ed's perspective, if the public see you as Stan Laurel, then it might not be too damaging if they see your opponent as Oliver Hardy.
Secondly, if Ed does somehow manage to win through next May, then once he gets real power it should be relatively easy for him to dispel current perceptions.
They even allowed the loathsome Mylene Klass on it the other week. Thankfully, I checked who was appearing and gave it a miss.
What gives you that idea? He has had 4 years to dispel perceptions about him and it hasn't worked despite many relaunches. Prime Ministers don't automatically become popular, respected and listened to just by walking into the door of Number 10. Just ask Gordon Brown.
Oh he'll become unpopular for sure, just like Brown did. Politicians always disappoint, ask Obama. But Ed's problem at the moment isn't unpopularity, it's that people can't believe this is their alternative to Cameron. It's image, rather than substance based. Once Ed's seen wielding real power, hob-nobbing with the likes of Merkel, Putin and Hilary Clinton ;-), then that will change.
Great name by the way! ;-)
If he walks into no 10 with a small majority on the back of 35% of the popular vote. Then acts like he's got a sense of entitlement to the job and expects the public to automatically respect and listen to him. He'll be in for a shock. Short of an electoral miracle or a personality cult forming around him. He'll be in for a tough time from the start. It won't get any easier if he continues with his "I'm right and you're wrong" approach to policy.
Ashcrofts polls have shown more than once that Labour will gain 100 marginal seats. Labour got a 66 seat majority in 2005 with 36/35% of the vote though that was reduced "automatically" to around 48 because of boundary changes that were in place for the 2010 election but a majority of 48 would be more than enough to get things done.
Does that estimate include the meltdown in Labour votes in Scotland?
No they were done before but lets see if those polls hold. I doubt they will. The scottish people voted with their heads and not their hearts on independence, they will probably do the same for the General Election too but even if the SNP take Labour seats off them, they are more to the left than Labour and are not going to support the Tories.
This isn't 2005. The landscape has changed. UKIP in England (The "safe" Heywood nearly going UKIP for the want of 600 votes) and the SNP in Scotland both on the rise.
Farage has been on it twice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Agenda_with_Tom_Bradby
But given your bias I don't find it too surprising that you forgot.
And not long ago either
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-agenda/series-6/episode-4
You really think the moaning can't be pleased lot voting for UKIP in a "protest", always balming immigrants for everything will vote for UKIP in the same levels at the General Election? I don't but whatever, whatever. Whoever gets in sells out and lets their core supporters down and UKIP are all over the place too!
UKIP can't stick to any of their polciies apart from get out of Europe and they are saying and soing anything to get votes. I think the people pledging support for them know they are getting hoodwinked but they pretend they aren't but will moan their arses off if/when things hit the fan.
They done it before with Blair, then with Cameron and Clagg, the same thing will happen if loud mouth farage ever got in which he won't. - GOOD!