I'm not an expert on education, but it's a fact that males from poor backgrounds perform poorly at school. Traditionally poor black boys have performed worst of all but recent reports have shown that poor white boys are now falling to the bottom of the pile.
Look up the educational performance of white males from poor backgrounds.
I can't find anything about educational performance of heterosexual white males in comparison to homosexual white males though. The sexuality part must be an important factor to the OP or surely the OP wouldn't mention it? There's some stuff done on work. But it's nearly a decade old. It reckons gay men living as a couple earn 6% less than comparable heterosexual men and are less likely to be in work. As I say I couldn't find anything on educational performance.
I'm not an expert on education, but it's a fact that males from poor backgrounds perform poorly at school. Traditionally poor black boys have performed worst of all but recent reports have shown that poor white boys are now falling to the bottom of the pile.
And I am sure there are reasons for this that need addressing - but where is the inequality of treatment? Are you saying they are not being given the same educational opportunities as others? If so, why?
And how does this relate to 'White Heterosexual Men' because your group doesn't include all males, just poor ones... and sexuality isn't mentioned here either.
You need petitions. 2015 goals. Let's aim to get at least A FEW white heterosexual men into the House of Lords, the House of Commons, and onto a few company boards this coming year. Let's see more men stuck in single parent poverty traps. EQUALITY FOR THE MENZZZZ!
If we bear in mind that the average age of MPs is around 50, the proportion of ethnic minority MPs (4%) is roughly in line with that of the overall population of 50 year olds and will increase steadily at every election. It is privately educated, oxbridge graduates who are by far the most over represented group.
I can't find anything about educational performance of heterosexual white males in comparison to homosexual white males though. The sexuality part must be an important factor to the OP or surely the OP wouldn't mention it? There's some stuff done on work. But it's nearly a decade old. It reckons gay men living as a couple earn 6% less than comparable heterosexual men and are less likely to be in work. As I say I couldn't find anything on educational performance.
And I am sure there are reasons for this that need addressing - but where is the inequality of treatment? Are you saying they are not being given the same educational opportunities as others? If so, why?
And how does this relate to 'White Heterosexual Men' because your group doesn't include all males, just poor ones... and sexuality isn't mentioned here either.
Indeed. This is a genuine issue that needs addressing, but the reasons behind it don't lie in institutionalised discrimination against straight white men.
I think if you were looking for a nice undiscriminated ride through life, being a straight white male is probably your best option.
I wouldn't consider having wrongful allegations of rape slung against you by some fruit loop female on a mission of revenge, "a nice undiscriminated ride through life".
I wouldn't consider having wrongful allegations of rape slung against you by some fruit loop female on a mission of revenge, "a nice undiscriminated ride through life".
Is that more likely to happen to white heterosexual men then?
I wouldn't consider having wrongful allegations of rape slung against you by some fruit loop female on a mission of revenge, "a nice undiscriminated ride through life".
Indeed. This is a genuine issue that needs addressing, but the reasons behind it don't lie in institutionalised discrimination against straight white men.
When poor black males were by far the worst performing group, it was put down to institutionalised discrimination.
The report uses interesting language, given that the OP was about equality.
“They are falling further behind other disadvantaged groups and they lag far behind the majority of pupils. We need to take a close look at the reasons behind this growing inequality and reassess the measures we are taking to close the performance gap.”
Society has become much more equal in recent years. It can be seen that the challenge to white heterosexual men's position in the social hierarchy feels to many like an "attack", as if they are being "discriminated against" as if "society has been turned on its head", and so on. In reality all that has happened is a levelling of the playing field but of course for many it is a shock to no longer be in an automatically superior position.
That's my point, though. Wealth and social class will almost always outweigh any other privileged attribute you can think of.
Far too simplistic to say that. Ethnicity and socio-economic class are often interlinked - there are far more black and Asian families living in poverty than white families. Performance in education is highly influenced by parental attitude and how much they value education. Hence why you do often find that Asian boys do well even if they are living in poverty - because the cultural norm of their parents is to put great value on a good education.
As for the original post of the thread - those daft MRAs are simply getting in a knot because they can see that (quite rightly) their privileged position in society is being equalised. For some of them this is terrible though because they only feel like they have worth because they're a straight, white guy and they don't like to see their privileges eroded.
Far too simplistic to say that. Ethnicity and socio-economic class are often interlinked - there are far more black and Asian families living in poverty than white families. Performance in education is highly influenced by parental attitude and how much they value education. Hence why you do often find that Asian boys do well even if they are living in poverty - because the cultural norm of their parents is to put great value on a good education.
Oh really? A quarter of independent school pupils are from ethnic minorities, and every single one of them will have a sizeable, inbuilt advantage over white state school pupils for the rest of their lives.
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I can't find anything about educational performance of heterosexual white males in comparison to homosexual white males though. The sexuality part must be an important factor to the OP or surely the OP wouldn't mention it? There's some stuff done on work. But it's nearly a decade old. It reckons gay men living as a couple earn 6% less than comparable heterosexual men and are less likely to be in work. As I say I couldn't find anything on educational performance.
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/CP201.pdf
And I am sure there are reasons for this that need addressing - but where is the inequality of treatment? Are you saying they are not being given the same educational opportunities as others? If so, why?
And how does this relate to 'White Heterosexual Men' because your group doesn't include all males, just poor ones... and sexuality isn't mentioned here either.
If we bear in mind that the average age of MPs is around 50, the proportion of ethnic minority MPs (4%) is roughly in line with that of the overall population of 50 year olds and will increase steadily at every election. It is privately educated, oxbridge graduates who are by far the most over represented group.
I'm not sure schools are allowed to ask pupils about their sexuality are they? Which would explain the lack of data.
Indeed. This is a genuine issue that needs addressing, but the reasons behind it don't lie in institutionalised discrimination against straight white men.
They can't be black, but they can have sex, get married and be disabled.
Bingo!
End of thread.:D
They're most privileged, therefore not equal to other groups.
Is that more likely to happen to white heterosexual men then?
That can happen to men of any colour though.
Next.
When poor black males were by far the worst performing group, it was put down to institutionalised discrimination.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/jan/06/publicservices.race
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/sep/07/education.politics
And here are the latest statistics - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10281683/British-white-boys-risk-becoming-an-educational-underclass.html
The report uses interesting language, given that the OP was about equality.
“They are falling further behind other disadvantaged groups and they lag far behind the majority of pupils. We need to take a close look at the reasons behind this growing inequality and reassess the measures we are taking to close the performance gap.”
Yes. That's it.
Who has the better chance of going to a good university and gaining a well paid job?
a) a straight, white man from a very poor background or
b) an ethnic minority lesbian from a very wealthy background
wholly spurious comparison. The deciding factor there is class/wealth and not sex, race or sexuality.
That's my point, though. Wealth and social class will almost always outweigh any other privileged attribute you can think of.
Far too simplistic to say that. Ethnicity and socio-economic class are often interlinked - there are far more black and Asian families living in poverty than white families. Performance in education is highly influenced by parental attitude and how much they value education. Hence why you do often find that Asian boys do well even if they are living in poverty - because the cultural norm of their parents is to put great value on a good education.
As for the original post of the thread - those daft MRAs are simply getting in a knot because they can see that (quite rightly) their privileged position in society is being equalised. For some of them this is terrible though because they only feel like they have worth because they're a straight, white guy and they don't like to see their privileges eroded.
Oh really? A quarter of independent school pupils are from ethnic minorities, and every single one of them will have a sizeable, inbuilt advantage over white state school pupils for the rest of their lives.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17823860
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10229248/Private-school-pupils-monopolising-top-university-places.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/private-school-children-will-earn-200000-more-on-average-than-stateeducated-kids-by-42-9580114.html
sorry. I misunderstood and thought you were arguing the opposite.
I'd expect that in some hick, backwater state of the U.S.