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Could the airport in Shoreham be expanded into the new major airport for Southeast?

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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    Net NutNet Nut Posts: 10,286
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    LostFool wrote: »

    I thought both Heathrow & Gatwick were too controversial.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    Net Nut wrote: »
    I thought both Heathrow & Gatwick were too controversial.
    Heathrow is, Gatwick isn't.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    Heathrow is, Gatwick isn't.

    It depends on who you ask: http://www.gacc.org.uk/
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    Net NutNet Nut Posts: 10,286
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    Heathrow is, Gatwick isn't.
    LostFool wrote: »
    It depends on who you ask: http://www.gacc.org.uk/

    Heathrow & Gatwick are both controversial that's the problem, it needs to be somewhere else.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    Net Nut wrote: »
    Heathrow & Gatwick are both controversial that's the problem, it needs to be somewhere else.

    Why?

    Can't speak for Gatwick but surveys have shown the majority of people in the vicinity of LHR support expansion as do most of the local authorities, probably due to the fact that upto a third of all employment in some west London boroughs is connected to LHR in some capacity.
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    MattNMattN Posts: 2,534
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    Suck up and expand Heathrow.

    It's the best decision for the long term
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    MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    MattN wrote: »
    Suck up and expand Heathrow.

    It's the best decision for the long term

    surely the best decision for the long term is to allow them both to expand - the more capacity the better all around.
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    mooxmoox Posts: 18,880
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »

    It doesn't say that?
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    moox wrote: »
    It doesn't say that?
    It's been batted back to the government to make a decision, several Tory MPs are implicitly opposed to the expansion of Heathrow which for a government with a small majority is a bad place to be.

    I also note the government said there won't be a "snap decision" - which as this has been going on for 60 years is an understatement
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    Majlis wrote: »
    surely the best decision for the long term is to allow them both to expand - the more capacity the better all around.

    True - that would be the ideal solution but it's not going to happen.
    Net Nut wrote: »
    Heathrow & Gatwick are both controversial that's the problem, it needs to be somewhere else.

    Building anywhere would be controversial. Heck, anything any government does is controversial - but their job is to choose the best solution for the whole country regardless of what a bunch of NIMBYs, Swampies and Flat Earthers think.
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    niceguy1966niceguy1966 Posts: 29,560
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    Net Nut wrote: »
    Could the airport in Shoreham be expanded into the new major airport for Southeast?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoreham_Airport

    Give me £20M and I'll let you know in three years.
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    AftershowAftershow Posts: 10,021
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    No. Next suggestion.
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    Anywhere in the South East will be problematic for the Tories :D:D

    Or it will be if they allow their party political interest to override the national interest/need for more airport capacity.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    Anywhere in the South East will be problematic for the Tories :D:D

    Or it will be if they allow their party political interest to override the national interest/need for more airport capacity.

    Airports are like council houses, power stations and prisons. Almost everyone thinks they should be built but almost nobody wants to live next door to one.

    I'm usually a fan of Boris Johnson but he he really needs to admit defeat over this one. His Fantasy Island is never going to be built.
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    GlastonGlaston Posts: 1,926
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    Why does the SE need a new airport/runway?

    The majority of the airpassenger growth from a new runway at LHR/Gwick is supposed to come from transit passengers.

    It would much more sense to make a huge hub airport elsewhere for all those passengers who spend literally an hour or so on the ground in the UK before flying off to other destinations. It wouldnt need such great road/rail links to the rest of the UK.

    Then we could concentrate on providing GOOD airports for the inhabitants/visisters to Britain.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    Isn't that the airport that was used in some episodes of Poirot, it would be amusing considering Brighton has a Green MP.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    Glaston wrote: »
    Why does the SE need a new airport/runway?.

    The Airports Commission report has lots of information on the need. You should try reading it.

    If we built a new airport in the middle of nowhere just for connections then why would airlines use it when they could go via Amsterdam, Paris or Frankfurt? You also need the local traffic too. No airport in the world operates just for transit passengers.
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    riceutenriceuten Posts: 5,876
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    Shoreham...er...infrastructure perhaps ? I do believe a trainline goes past it and once upon a time there was even a station.
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    ecco66ecco66 Posts: 16,117
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    Why?

    Can't speak for Gatwick but surveys have shown the majority of people in the vicinity of LHR support expansion as do most of the local authorities, probably due to the fact that upto a third of all employment in some west London boroughs is connected to LHR in some capacity.
    Those surveys were commissioned by HAL. Funny that.
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    thenetworkbabethenetworkbabe Posts: 45,624
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    It's been batted back to the government to make a decision, several Tory MPs are implicitly opposed to the expansion of Heathrow which for a government with a small majority is a bad place to be.

    I also note the government said there won't be a "snap decision" - which as this has been going on for 60 years is an understatement

    Doubly bad as you can't put a runway to the east or north of London with building Boris Island - and you can't dump all the noise on East London where the Labour voters are. If you inflict more noise on west and central London its Conservative, and formerly Liberal, voters who get the nuisance .If they don't like it, they might even vote Liberal - though Labour seems to have missed its chance for a strategic win by angling for a boris-Dave fight. Its a political no brainer - it has to be Gatwick where only a few cows will notice,

    The problem is the airlines can't directed to go somewhere sensible. Transit flights and European flights to Gatwick , cargo to places like Manston and Stanstead with new rail links to take the stuff off the roads, and transatlantic and tourist flights to Heathrow. Its ridiculous to demolish whole villages in West London when Manston has one of the two longest runways in the country and green fields around it , and you could build a second runway at Gatwick on whats now car parks.
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    MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    The problem is the airlines can't directed to go somewhere sensible. Transit flights and European flights to Gatwick , cargo to places like Manston and Stanstead with new rail links to take the stuff off the roads, and transatlantic and tourist flights to Heathrow.

    Well LGW already carries the same amount of PAX to EU destinations as LHR - and it is growing faster. As far as cargo goes, most of it is transported on passenger aircraft so it is bound to end up at the same destination as the passengers - dedicated cargo operations are a tiny part of the overall cargo movement operation.
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