Amy and Rory's house (The Ponderosa :))
MinkytheDog
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It just struck me that as far as the world is concerned - "the Ponds" disappeared sometime in 2012 - so what happened to all of their property and possessions - including that house?
Do you reckon they left it to Brian - or River?
Or could they have left it to the Doctor and that's how he came to own it in order to be able to give it to them in the first place - timey-wimey and all that?
Actually - with them disappearing like that and Brian being the last person to see them alive and most probably figuring in their wills - do you reckon he'd have been pulled-in for questioning by the police? Imagine the poor sod trying to convince Constable Plod that the last time he saw he saw his kids was as they disappeared in a blue box to go time-travelling with a mad alien who looks like a sixth form geography teacher.
Do you reckon they left it to Brian - or River?
Or could they have left it to the Doctor and that's how he came to own it in order to be able to give it to them in the first place - timey-wimey and all that?
Actually - with them disappearing like that and Brian being the last person to see them alive and most probably figuring in their wills - do you reckon he'd have been pulled-in for questioning by the police? Imagine the poor sod trying to convince Constable Plod that the last time he saw he saw his kids was as they disappeared in a blue box to go time-travelling with a mad alien who looks like a sixth form geography teacher.
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But when they *did* register and went after Rory for 30 centuries of backdated child support...
...and then the truant officer came to see why she's missed two and half thousand days of school.
Not quite true. I think it's been established that the Williams were at home for several years beyond 2012, perhaps beyond 2020, meaning they had the opportunity for the "Welsh Valley Wave Incident" and were merely visiting NY in 2012 in TATM.
Not so - the whole point was that they were gone for lengthy periods of time and kept returning to (roughly) the same time they left - which is why they appeared to be ageing faster than their friends. Ten years may have passed for them but not ten years by the calendar.
And their gravestones should be in Leadworth, not in a different country.
IMO.
Probably busy printing tee-shirts saying "Welease Bwian!"
Yes, but that doesn't preclude their present, as shown in Pond Life for example, being further on than 2012. If, for example they are away with the Doctor 50% of their experienced time, 5 years will also have passed back home if they've experienced 10 years in total. e.g. 2 weeks travelling with the Doctor then returning home moments after leaving, then another 2 weeks at home, then travelling with the Doctor again, or variations thereof. The impression I got was the travelling was actually less frequent than that, so a smaller proportion of their experienced time. Maybe (Who knows!) 2 years travelling out of 10 years, overall.
I thought this had already been discussed? I can't remember the dates derived from other eps in that discussion, but it seemed to all fit and allowed the Williams to do that Welsh Valley Wave in 2020. Then, some time after that, travelling back to 2012 to visit NY in TATM.
I believe (without any proof really but going by gut) that they revisited 2012 NY from 2018 at least, and that they'd aged up to five or so years faster than their friends (enough to notice physically in your thirties, often - but not always - I am 37 but have been told many times that I look late twenties/early thirties). Having said that, four years ago I was mistaken many times for a university student, so time catches up with us all in the end
And while there are certainly times where the Ponds are gone for long periods with only minutes/hours passing on Earth (gone for 7 weeks during their Anniversary party for example) we are also told that they disapear from Earth for long periods as well (Rorys work mate says so).
While the Ponds present may not be as late as 2020 it is certainly at least 2016.
For a show that specialises in illustrating "the future", it's unthinkable that they would miss-out on at least one visual clue or gizmo to make the point that years have passed - a holographic. TV or a hover-car - or just a new fashion - even a moron clue like having Rory watching the next Olympics or mentioning something vaguely futury-wuttery.
I hate to be rude, I really do, but this is rubbish. A gag only you can see?
Rory told his Dad he was 31 and Brian was fine with it. That came before TATM, obviously. There is NOTHING that's been shown on screen that suggests we should not take the path of least resistance. That they came from the future to 2012 for the last episode.
Name any other episode of DW where they haven't shown at least one futuristic thing to indicate that we are in "the future" - yet here we have a situation where the passing of relative time is a major plot element and there's not even so much as mention of an iPhone 7 or a BBC 5 to give us a clue - no mention of anything even remotely futuristic - no change of fashion - not a sausage and silicon chips.
Why on earth would Moffat and Co go half a series where the age of the companions and the passing of time is a central theme without so much as the merest indication that we are not in the present? Not a thing - nada.
It's totally illogical to suggest that every single person involved in writing, producing and filming Doctor Who would believe that absolutely nothing would change in the next five years - never mind the ten years claimed by some people here. In fact, it would have been stated outright - because there is absolutely no reason not to.
I'm actually staggered by the shoe-horning - the excuses made to say why the Doctor took "the Ponds" to America in 2012 to get around the very obvious fact that they simply went to America - end of.
What's being suggested is that any episode we see from now on that is set in the future can have absolutely nothing even remotely futuristic about it - not so much as a reference to "Brooklyn Beckham playing for England" or a tin-foil suit - not a new hairstyle or a "King Will-I-am" mentioned.
That's so out of line for this show that it beggars belief.
I really don't get why you think every character is lying or joking when they talk about time passing.
Amy to the Doctor in Widow/Wardrobe - She tells him 2 years have passed since she last saw him.
Oh wait in your version of the show it was a joke and she actuallly saw him a couple of days earlier
We see Rory's dad supposedly record 300 odd daily video diaries. Oh wait it was a joke and he recorded them all in one day to fool us.
Rorys workmate saying how Rory disapears for months at a time, Oh wait no another gag and he just meant minutes.
Sorry I'm not getting involved in this discussion (no point as the passing of time is really quite obvious if you watch the episodes - you could even say it's a theme), but your post just made me smile.
I just imagined Brian sitting there for 300 minutes, taking video diaries that last 45 seconds each:D.
Paragraph one - imo we haven't (as far as I recall) seeing anything like that that wasn't a very major time-leap since Moffat took over. That was RTD's thing (and it was a good thing, probably, but...). They still have lightbulbs in 2016/18+. They still have ladders. People say their age and their dad doesn't bat an eyelid. Where exactly is the leap of faith here that requires, as I said before, something other than the path of least resistance?
Indeed.
No, it's really not at all. All that's being suggested imho is that where the timeline seems obvious to many throughout the series and requires no further explanation (only a few years ahead and not a major - or even minor - part of the story), they have no need to waste precious seconds doing so