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I hope 11 has a better end than 10 I've just rewatch the end of time and thought that the last half an hour of the end of time part two dipicts David Tennant's doctor (as written by RTD who i like) to be a bit of cry baby and I hope eleven is given a more dignified send off.
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And I'm confident that Eleven's will indeed be different, as he's a massively different character that has happily faced death more than once before.
Absolutely:cool:
So since Eleven has a completely different story arc with completely different character development, he will no doubt go out completely differently.
Yep, it was definitely a natural development of his character. He started self-destructing pretty much from day one really. Right back in The Christmas Invasion he shows he's got problems with his role in events during the blow-up-the-Sycorax thing, in The Satan Pit he questions his beliefs... and then he loses Rose and starts on a very steady downward spiral where he gradually starts questioning what on Earth he's even doing with his life. Cue complete breakdown in The Waters of Mars, grief and depression in The End of Time, and he finally hits rock bottom with his last line as he realises he's made such a mess of his short life. Cue a much-needed regeneration.
I think it was a very bold and interesting character arc.
I'd agree with this - Ten's character arc was bold, and interesting, and mature. And I hope that Eleven's exit will be just as great.
Of course you could look at it another way and say such a prolonged death was almost cruel.
Brilliant either way. The End of Time got quite a few things wrong and I find the actual plot quite flimsy but damn did RTD nail it with the farewell. It wasn't just the Doctor saying goodbye either-it was all of us watching and we got the send off we needed. A proper full stop.
But ruined by the last line of course.
And yes, I also agree that the character arc was bold, interesting, and mature. Really justified having this incarnation of the Doctor a bit "more human" than most others in my opinion. I'm really glad I figured out what was happening in this arc, even if it took me a while.
He has been told his song is ending, he has lost everything i.e. his companions and is now alone, combine this with the continuing guilt and remorse of the Time War and what he did, and the constant reminder of being the last of his kind... he even says it himself: "Sometimes, I think a Time Lord lives too long." He also repeats "live(d) too long" before saving Wilf. Basically what I see is that he has lost all hope and is ready to just die, no regeneration.
Furthermore, look how long it took before he regenerated. He visited all the Nine/Ten companions, plus made a stop off to buy a lottery ticket, and it is furthermore explained in the Sarah Jane Adventures that he looked back on all his companions ever (whether this is true is debatable I guess, but it would back up this interpretation - he's dying for good this time so he looks back on everyone he's ever travelled with to say his final goodbyes. Even if it isn't true, the point still stands). At the very end, he collapses into the snow, and really looks like he will die. It's only when Ood Sigma appears to give him that one final push - "the story never ends" - that he gives in to the regeneration, or allows it to happen, even if he doesn't want to leave this incarnation behind.
That's my interpretation anyway.
I'd like 11s exit to be a bit more upbeat personally, although I can very easily live without anymore 'Geronimo's. Only time will tell!
The bit I did hate and thought was very out of character was the scene where the Doctor ranted and smashed stuff saying "It's not fair!". That scene made me feel very uncomfortable the first time I watched it and it still does.
Personally, I loved 10's ending, including the "I don't want to go" line. (I didn't want him to go, either). But then I like all the tears and angst. I want 11's end to have loads of tears and heart-rending goodbyes. (Except I don't want him to go. Isn't life hard? )
I think it's great that it makes me feel uncomfortable. We expect the Doctor to be the one always doing the necessary, willing to sacrifice himself at a moment's notice. How must that feel?
He managed to save the Earth, probably all of reality, with nothing but a few scratches. And now he is expected to sacrifice himself to save a single human, one that is actually begging him not to do it. We're never in any doubt that he's going to do it, because that's what he does - but how frustrating must that be?
He thought he had cheated fate (although I generally hate that 'prophecy' stuff), but fate cheated him right back. Who wouldn't be angry?
I would have loved to see more of that stuff through Ten's run (instead of the stern face we usually got), but we got it in Eleven instead.
Yep I agree on my second viewing, I haven't seen it since it was first on. I thought 10 was never this, I understand its all about impending death but it all seemed a bit OTT to me. He never got so emotional about losing rose and Donna it was just kinda glossed over and then he goes to bits, I just don't buy it
Ten states regeneration is like death, he also states in Journey's End why would he want to change. 9 states he doesn't know what he'll end up like "I could have two heads or no head etc etc." He is changing into someone or even something completely different and apparently has no control over it. And people seriously think that that isn't in the slightest bit scary? Meh. I'd question them to wake up tomorrow morning with a completely different personality and looks and see how much they wanted to smile the prospect. "I don't want to go" was just an acknowledgement of the sadness the audience would feel about the HUGELY popular 10th Doctor (as shown by the recent YouGov poll) leaving.
Also if throw John Hurt into the mix - the Doctor doesn't even know that he'll be worthy of the name of Doctor in his next incarnation.
Don't get me wrong I mostly liked David and his portrayal of 10 but if he didn't want to go he should of signed the contract:p
Dignity? Eleven?! Nah... His era is defined by his Newborn-Giraffe-Style clumsiness.
If Eleven doesn't bow out, shouting - "I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS?!!!" - I will be greatly disappointed.
There can still be dignity in Newborn-Giraffe-Style clumsiness
But I hope he goes out as he came in, Geronimo!
Agreed. That one scene with Wilf in the radiation box absolutely wrecked 10's exit for me. 10 could have risen to the occasion like 5 did, but instead he threw an uncharacteristic tantrum. Ending it with "I don't want to go!" was just the icing on the cake for a bad exit (but of course it didn't stop there, we had to have a regeneration absolutely destroy the TARDIS interior for no reason at all as well). Funny how the Master's regeneration didn't blow up the TARDIS interior. Or 9's.
And yes, Two went out kicking and screaming as well but somehow that was more genuine, having been hauled into the office like a truant schoolboy. At least he didn't blame Jamie and Zoe for his predicament, unlike 10 blaming (and then retracting) Wilf.
You'd think the Doctor would have learned from his past...the whole "facing his destiny" thing with the Giant Spider instead of running like a coward. And until 10, he actually didn't run from his destiny (4 facing his doppleganger, knowing the end is near, 5 giving Peri the cure instead of himself, 6 taking a courageous header into the TARDIS console, 9 absorbing the vortex knowing it would kill him). The Doctor's own history is against 10's final actions in The End of Time.
Except the vital point is whether he kicks and screams about it he does it in end.
Wow if I could type faster and better I would have put it that way too.
BIB - Wasn't this because the 10th Doc had absorbed a HUGE amount of radioactive energy though?
You forget about the Fourth as well, who also had a destiny to follow in Logopolis as told by the Watcher.(So we assume by what he tells Adric) He knew his time was up and faced it with a certain dignity as indeed did most of the classic Doctors.
I could never work out why the Tenth Doctor got so upset over the fact his time was up, I mean, it's not as the forthcoming regeneration was his first. I suppose as has been said it was just part of his character than he was such an emotional Doctor but it was a shame we saw very little of the normal Tenth Doctor in this bar a few lighter moments at the beginning of The End Of Time.