And strangely enough, you have to keep on coming out all the damned time... its never just once....
But that is true to life for a lot of people. My best friend is gay. He came out to his friends. He came out to his sister, then to his parents. Some of his family still don't know. So I don't get what the issue is.
Yes. But it's hard to lighten the mood when a thread title is 'too much screen time on homosexuality' regardless of your intentions or what you meant by it.
The way you phrased it implies that it's not as important. My intentions aren't to be rude, but for you to see why you may have rubbed people up the wrong way.
But that is true to life for a lot of people. My best friend is gay. He came out to his friends. He came out to his sister, then to his parents. Some of his family still don't know. So I don't get what the issue is.
oh I don't have one personally. Just saying. The characters, to a point, will always have some storyline about them being gay. you don't have the drama of coming out once and then being boring as everyone knows. (Well unless you're Sophie in Corrie I guess! lol)
Yes. But it's hard to lighten the mood when a thread title is 'too much screen time on homosexuality' regardless of your intentions or what you meant by it.
The way you phrased it implies that it's not as important. My intentions aren't to be rude, but for you to see why you may have rubbed people up the wrong way.
Wow this thread...I don't even know what to say apart from I whole heartedly disagree with the OP. I'm not going to launch an attack or justify something that doesn't need justifying with facts or reasons or defenses. This is just wrong, perhaps it was meant with pure intentions but this thread is an example of discrimination.
Except that's not the relevance of the thread is it?
We're talking about their lovelife and sexual preference.
Well actually it does.
Because your talking about how things were retconned to fit the story about their love life. Those things that were retconned about Riley were to fit his story. It's no different. Hollyoaks are bad at changing things to fit the story no matter the character, their sex, sexuality or beliefs.
So at the end of the day Hollyoaks have played out the Doug/Ste/Brendan love triangle no different to any other love triangle. Except that they "turned" Doug, rather than introducing a new character. However I've never heard any one say they didn't believe Doug being gay, they just didn't feel like the storyline was paced well enough and felt too sudden.
However I've never heard any one say they didn't believe Doug being gay, they just didn't feel like the storyline was paced well enough and felt too sudden.
Really? It was all over this forum when the 'story' first aired.
I don't feel it's discrimination either. It's no difference to a thread saying "I'm sick of Kat Moon's affairs" or "Too much screen time on Mercedes opening her legs".
Too much focus on one subject, no matter the subject, is boring.
Really? It was all over this forum when the 'story' first aired.
Not that they didn't believe Doug could be gay. That they didn't believe it because he was "hugged" gay. It was the timing, not the actual content. And the fact they made him gay, rather than bi
Not that they didn't believe Doug could be gay. That they didn't believe it because he was "hugged" gay. It was the timing, not the actual content. And the fact they made him gay, rather than bi
There was a lot of people saying it was unbelievable, especially after they'd not long spent time on his feelings for the girl who was murdered by Silas.
For me personally, I found his relationship with Ste more unbelievable than him actually being gay.
I don't feel it's discrimination either. It's no difference to a thread saying "I'm sick of Kat Moon's affairs" or "Too much screen time on Mercedes opening her legs".
Too much focus on one subject, no matter the subject, is boring.
It is completely. This is saying that homosexuals are over-represented rather than saying that the material is repeated, drawn out etc.
Homosexuality is a way of life. And it happens. And it should be represented. I don't see why Oaks should represent that less than heterosexuality?
There was a lot of people saying it was unbelievable, especially after they'd not long spent time on his feelings for the girl who was murdered by Silas.
For me personally, I found his relationship with Ste more unbelievable than him actually being gay.
I just don't like Ste, and hated Doug being wasted on him. And the fact the show is obsessed with starting stories, with characters being curious etc and then making them admit they are gay when they've portrayed the whole story different. See Craig Dean (who even claimed himself to be gay at the end of the story to make JohnPaul happy. Doug's another, I'm surprised Texas hasn't been forced to admit she is a lesbian.)
I just don't like Ste, and hated Doug being wasted on him. And the fact the show is obsessed with starting stories, with characters being curious etc and then making them admit they are gay when they've portrayed the whole story different. See Craig Dean (who even claimed himself to be gay at the end of the story to make JohnPaul happy. Doug's another, I'm surprised Texas hasn't been forced to admit she is a lesbian.)
Thank god its not just me. :D I hate the way some fans (not on here, on the E4 site) seem to have made him a saint lol.
Thank god its not just me. :D I hate the way some fans (not on here, on the E4 site) seem to have made him a saint lol.
I don't think Keiron is a very good actor, his character has no personality, I hate how they completely rewrote the character to suit the actor. I hate how he is shoe-hornned into every story and scene. I hate how other characters are rewrote to suit him, Amy abandoning her children? Doug?
I just don't like Ste, and hated Doug being wasted on him. And the fact the show is obsessed with starting stories, with characters being curious etc and then making them admit they are gay when they've portrayed the whole story different. See Craig Dean (who even claimed himself to be gay at the end of the story to make JohnPaul happy. Doug's another, I'm surprised Texas hasn't been forced to admit she is a lesbian.)
I couldn't agree more.
That was my main problem with Ste coming out. It was suddenly completely re-writing the character to suit the actor who no longer had to play a character but could basically be himself in the show.
His mannerisms, his dress sense, his sexuality just suddenly changed on a whim after Keiron came out. Very stupid on the writer's part.
It's not even as though he's an asset to the show either. They could have brought in a new character for the Brendan story or brought John Paul back two years ago. Anything but shoehorn Ste into it.
That also started the downhill slope for Amy's character. She was suddenly rendered useless now that she and Ste were no longer together.
I don't think Keiron is a very good actor, his character has no personality, I hate how they completely rewrote the character to suit the actor. I hate how he is shoe-hornned into every story and scene. I hate how other characters are rewrote to suit him, Amy abandoning her children? Doug?
I just don't like him.
To be fair its not the first time they changed the character, he went from chavy bully to woman beating alcoholic to a unstable single dad. I like his character more now than i ever have to be honest
I don't think Keiron is a very good actor, his character has no personality, I hate how they completely rewrote the character to suit the actor. I hate how he is shoe-hornned into every story and scene. I hate how other characters are rewrote to suit him, Amy abandoning her children? Doug?
I just don't like him.
*Nods* I agree. For me, he's HO's Antony Cotton. He's in there for life. (For the record I hate that bloody character too, and he can't act either.)
I think the people saying Esther is a fleshed-out character who happens to be gay, and Ste is just a gay character with nothing else about him, really need to look into the history of Ste. Even his "coming out" had nothing to do with him actually being gay -- it was a domestic abuse plot. He's gay, but he's a fully formed character.
As for Brendan. Well. If you think "being gay" is all he has about him, then we've been watching a different show. Even the focus of his current storyline with his father has little to do with him being gay.
John Paul -- the end of his relationship and raising a baby. Nothing about being gay.
Jen -- vanished from the screen ages ago
Tilly -- Not on screen currently
George -- Not on screen currently
Who am I forgetting?
So basically at the moment we have a man who's facing his abusive past, his supportive boyfriend coming to terms with what the person he loves has been through, and another dude who's dealing with a baby. How is that too much screentime on homosexuality?
I think the people saying Esther is a fleshed-out character who happens to be gay, and Ste is just a gay character with nothing else about him, really need to look into the history of Ste. Even his "coming out" had nothing to do with him actually being gay -- it was a domestic abuse plot. He's gay, but he's a fully formed character.
If anyone was to "look into the history of Ste" they would see how his entire character makes little sense and has undergone several re-writes.
He's shallower than a kid's paddling pool, which is why he was the downfall of the Brendan story and dragged it down when involved.
If anyone was to "look into the history of Set" they would see how his entire character makes little sense and has undergone several re-writes.
I'm not denying that. My point is there has been so much more to Ste than him being gay, whether it all makes sense or not. He is and has been a character outside of his sexuality.
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But that is true to life for a lot of people. My best friend is gay. He came out to his friends. He came out to his sister, then to his parents. Some of his family still don't know. So I don't get what the issue is.
Yes. But it's hard to lighten the mood when a thread title is 'too much screen time on homosexuality' regardless of your intentions or what you meant by it.
The way you phrased it implies that it's not as important. My intentions aren't to be rude, but for you to see why you may have rubbed people up the wrong way.
No, right amount of screen time on homosexuality, not too much.
Also our gay characters are getting storylines that seem pretty universal in terms of themes for some people.
oh I don't have one personally. Just saying. The characters, to a point, will always have some storyline about them being gay. you don't have the drama of coming out once and then being boring as everyone knows. (Well unless you're Sophie in Corrie I guess! lol)
Again, it's not my thread.
Well actually it does.
Because your talking about how things were retconned to fit the story about their love life. Those things that were retconned about Riley were to fit his story. It's no different. Hollyoaks are bad at changing things to fit the story no matter the character, their sex, sexuality or beliefs.
So at the end of the day Hollyoaks have played out the Doug/Ste/Brendan love triangle no different to any other love triangle. Except that they "turned" Doug, rather than introducing a new character. However I've never heard any one say they didn't believe Doug being gay, they just didn't feel like the storyline was paced well enough and felt too sudden.
Apologies, I was just going through the pages and the way you were defending it sounded like it was.
But it changes nothing that I've said. Horrible wording and, in my opinion, incorrect.
Really? It was all over this forum when the 'story' first aired.
Too much focus on one subject, no matter the subject, is boring.
Not that they didn't believe Doug could be gay. That they didn't believe it because he was "hugged" gay. It was the timing, not the actual content. And the fact they made him gay, rather than bi
There was a lot of people saying it was unbelievable, especially after they'd not long spent time on his feelings for the girl who was murdered by Silas.
For me personally, I found his relationship with Ste more unbelievable than him actually being gay.
It is completely. This is saying that homosexuals are over-represented rather than saying that the material is repeated, drawn out etc.
Homosexuality is a way of life. And it happens. And it should be represented. I don't see why Oaks should represent that less than heterosexuality?
I just don't like Ste, and hated Doug being wasted on him. And the fact the show is obsessed with starting stories, with characters being curious etc and then making them admit they are gay when they've portrayed the whole story different. See Craig Dean (who even claimed himself to be gay at the end of the story to make JohnPaul happy. Doug's another, I'm surprised Texas hasn't been forced to admit she is a lesbian.)
Thank god its not just me.
I don't think Keiron is a very good actor, his character has no personality, I hate how they completely rewrote the character to suit the actor. I hate how he is shoe-hornned into every story and scene. I hate how other characters are rewrote to suit him, Amy abandoning her children? Doug?
I just don't like him.
I couldn't agree more.
That was my main problem with Ste coming out. It was suddenly completely re-writing the character to suit the actor who no longer had to play a character but could basically be himself in the show.
His mannerisms, his dress sense, his sexuality just suddenly changed on a whim after Keiron came out. Very stupid on the writer's part.
It's not even as though he's an asset to the show either. They could have brought in a new character for the Brendan story or brought John Paul back two years ago. Anything but shoehorn Ste into it.
That also started the downhill slope for Amy's character. She was suddenly rendered useless now that she and Ste were no longer together.
Rant over.
To be fair its not the first time they changed the character, he went from chavy bully to woman beating alcoholic to a unstable single dad. I like his character more now than i ever have to be honest
*Nods* I agree. For me, he's HO's Antony Cotton. He's in there for life. (For the record I hate that bloody character too, and he can't act either.)
As for Brendan. Well. If you think "being gay" is all he has about him, then we've been watching a different show. Even the focus of his current storyline with his father has little to do with him being gay.
John Paul -- the end of his relationship and raising a baby. Nothing about being gay.
Jen -- vanished from the screen ages ago
Tilly -- Not on screen currently
George -- Not on screen currently
Who am I forgetting?
So basically at the moment we have a man who's facing his abusive past, his supportive boyfriend coming to terms with what the person he loves has been through, and another dude who's dealing with a baby. How is that too much screentime on homosexuality?
If anyone was to "look into the history of Ste" they would see how his entire character makes little sense and has undergone several re-writes.
He's shallower than a kid's paddling pool, which is why he was the downfall of the Brendan story and dragged it down when involved.
I'm not denying that. My point is there has been so much more to Ste than him being gay, whether it all makes sense or not. He is and has been a character outside of his sexuality.